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danramos 2009-09-01 19:52

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 319706)
I've been planning on interviewing several people around Maemo including Nokia employees, longtime community members and hell, even some who are new to the tablets. It might be interesting to get their take on things.

I'd love to be able to say "made entirely on an N900", but I'll need to have one first. Someone whip up a port of Audacity? ;)

I'll see what I can do on the N810 I do have though.

I would concentrate FIRST on making a good podcast.. THEN on the novelty of podcasting off the tablet. First and foremost, you want the show to be listen-worthy. I'm not sure that I would want to use the N8x0's recording as a basis for a podcast, but it's not to say it couldn't be done. It's just that you'll probably end up with far less quality and have a much narrower breadth of sound than you would if you used a good sound card with a proper microphone.

mag4you 2009-09-01 20:10

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yeah, the sound should be very bad with N8x0's micro. Although it should be able to run Audacity in chroot. Perhaps just install it in easydebian - and then get sound working.

mag4you 2009-09-01 20:15

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 319709)
Like this?
http://blackrockpodcast.blogspot.com/

This is my podcast's blog. We use the Talkshoe widgets to serve up the podcasts but we do it entirely in Talkshoe and then just update the blog for the episode and then people comment on a per-episode basis. :)

looks nice. :) Is it customizable? (embedding episodes via flashplayer, embedding pics) - But isn't it a bit dangerouse to add a comment function? We may get trouble if someone writes nonesence and we don't remove it.

mag4you 2009-09-01 20:21

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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 319691)
Let me put this first one out and then we'll talk about all that.

remember to add some good sound effects - perhaps with cc-licensed clips.
! But you'll probably have to list the licenses and sources of cc-licensed files, if you use them. And attention to share-alike-licenses!!!!

Reggie 2009-09-01 20:38

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 319706)
I've been planning on interviewing several people around Maemo including Nokia employees, longtime community members and hell, even some who are new to the tablets. It might be interesting to get their take on things.

I enjoyed reading these:
It'll be great to have a podcast version.

zerojay 2009-09-01 20:52

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 319712)
I would concentrate FIRST on making a good podcast.. THEN on the novelty of podcasting off the tablet. First and foremost, you want the show to be listen-worthy. I'm not sure that I would want to use the N8x0's recording as a basis for a podcast, but it's not to say it couldn't be done. It's just that you'll probably end up with far less quality and have a much narrower breadth of sound than you would if you used a good sound card with a proper microphone.

Well look, I'm on a budget... meaning $0, so I don't exactly have that kind of equipment laying around. Starting to think everyone's expecting a TWIT level of quality here right off the bat and everyone's going to be disappointed as hell if it's not.

That's why this first one is a short test.

mag4you 2009-09-02 16:51

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How far is the test-episode?

zerojay 2009-09-02 18:31

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I couldn't get around to recording it last night. I expect the short 5 minute episode to be done tonight and probably posted tomorrow morning. We'll see where it goes from there.

Hah.. I get to be the guy that everyone points and laughs at when I pronounce something funny.

May-mo? My-mo?
Freee-mantle?

mag4you 2009-09-02 18:52

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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 320360)
May-mo? My-mo?
Freee-mantle?

Peut-etre on doit faire ca on francais et apres synchroniser en anglais. xDDD

mag4you 2009-09-02 19:28

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just another stupid idea: When I looked at my webpage today, I rememberd that I once created a show with an online TTS-engine - English TTS nowadays should be very good - and with a bit of background music it may sound like a real human... maybe use it for short news episodes to save lots of time. ;)

danramos 2009-09-02 19:39

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
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Originally Posted by mag4you (Post 319727)
looks nice. :) Is it customizable? (embedding episodes via flashplayer, embedding pics) - But isn't it a bit dangerouse to add a comment function? We may get trouble if someone writes nonesence and we don't remove it.

Very customizable, and you have every ability to remove comments and such. Take a look at http://blogspot.com and look at the demo.

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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 319737)
Well look, I'm on a budget... meaning $0, so I don't exactly have that kind of equipment laying around. Starting to think everyone's expecting a TWIT level of quality here right off the bat and everyone's going to be disappointed as hell if it's not.

That's why this first one is a short test.

I'm not talking TWiT level quality.. I'm saying 'better than N8x0' quality. You're better off using your already-better equipment that you DO have laying around. You DO have a laptop or a desktop PC and at LEAST a headset or desktop microphone. Just those two things alone already put you one notch better than the N8x0's quality of audio. Using a good web browser (Firefox, particularly 3.5) with Talkshoe also both cost you an extra $0.

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Originally Posted by mag4you (Post 320399)
just another stupid idea: When I looked at my webpage today, I rememberd that I once created a show with an online TTS-engine - English TTS nowadays should be very good - and with a bit of background music it may sound like a real human... maybe use it for short news episodes to save lots of time. ;)

TTS never trumps even a mediocre quality human reading the same news. I would never de-evolve the quality down to TTS unless you REALLY want to simply automate to remove the human altogether for some reason. Certainly not something I'd want in a podcast.

mag4you 2009-09-02 19:53

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 320406)
Very customizable, and you have every ability to remove comments and such. Take a look at http://blogspot.com and look at the demo.

I could probably help to create the blog ...

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 320406)
I'm not talking TWiT level quality.. I'm saying 'better than N8x0' quality. You're better off using your already-better equipment that you DO have laying around. You DO have a laptop or a desktop PC and at LEAST a headset or desktop microphone. Just those two things alone already put you one notch better than the N8x0's quality of audio. Using a good web browser (Firefox, particularly 3.5) with Talkshoe also both cost you an extra $0.

It would also be possible to connect your headset to your N800 via bluetooth or audio-in. This will improve the sound quality enormously.

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 320406)
TTS never trumps even a mediocre quality human reading the same news. I would never de-evolve the quality down to TTS unless you REALLY want to simply automate to remove the human altogether for some reason. Certainly not something I'd want in a podcast.

Well.. there are some really good (commercial) ones. But I, personally, would prefer to listen to a good TTS-voice than to a human with a very strange accent, I think.
However, for a five minute episode and a documentary-like text, it would be acceptable.

mag4you 2009-09-02 20:00

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Yeah blogspot.com looks very nice to start!

What the hell?! That's Google?!
I won't publish my blogs and podcasts threw a search-engine!!!

krisse 2009-09-02 20:29

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Originally Posted by VulcanRidr (Post 319153)
I know I personally am willing to cut a large degree of slack. After all, these are geeks like me, not professional voice actors.

--vr

I wasn't suggesting that anyone had to sound like a professional actor, I'm just saying that even professional actors rehearse stuff in advance to improve the quality of their actual performance.

However good your voice is, if you listen to recordings of yourself you can make your voice better.

danramos 2009-09-02 20:30

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Originally Posted by mag4you (Post 320420)
It would also be possible to connect your headset to your N800 via bluetooth or audio-in. This will improve the sound quality enormously.

Not really, the N8x0 has a limitation on the quality it can record at and the range that it records. Even when you use Bluetooth, you're not going to get a nice clean 44100Hz recording with a full range for audio. If you're going to record a podcast, first priority should go to sound quality THEN to the novelty. The last thing you want to do is make a podcast that isn't pleasant to listen to, even if it's informative with good content.

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Originally Posted by mag4you (Post 320424)
Yeah blogspot.com looks very nice to start!

What the hell?! That's Google?!
I won't publish my blogs and podcasts threw a search-engine!!!

Google is a company, they founded their company on a search engine but the company has many products that aren't necessarily search related (google voice, google maps, etc.) but they do often try to tie the search engine to finding content on their other services. In this case, that would be an advantage and a boon to making the blog and podcast convenient to find.

mag4you 2009-09-02 20:34

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Well, sure, but I don't trust them a lot, you know. And Google and privacy or copyright are themes itself.

mag4you 2009-09-02 20:41

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
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Originally Posted by krisse (Post 320442)
I wasn't suggesting that anyone had to sound like a professional actor, I'm just saying that even professional actors rehearse stuff in advance to improve the quality of their actual performance.

However good your voice is, if you listen to recordings of yourself you can make your voice better.

It shouldn't be very difficult to let your voice sound professional. I really love to imitate radio or tv voices. ;)

Anyway, if the podcast should look like a professional radio-cast, you'll need such a voice. But if it should look like a normal talk, you just need your own voice.

danramos 2009-09-02 20:43

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Originally Posted by mag4you (Post 320445)
Well, sure, but I don't trust them a lot, you know. And Google and privacy or copyright are themes itself.

Is any of that relevant to a blog you want everyone to read?

Near as I can tell, you own the copyright to your own blog even if it's hosted by blogger.com. (ref: http://www.blogger.com/terms.g Section 6)

"Google claims no ownership or control over any Content submitted, posted or displayed by you on or through Google services."

As regards to the podcast, linking to the podcast from the blog (the way we do at the Black Rock podcast) doesn't make it automatically part of the blog--you're just linking to it.

mag4you 2009-09-02 20:50

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well... yeah, you're right. It should be ok for a blog. It's more if you use it for private issues. So... I won't give any private data to Google.

(But they'll porbably collect data from everyone who's visiting the blogg.)

danramos 2009-09-02 23:41

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Originally Posted by mag4you (Post 320457)
well... yeah, you're right. It should be ok for a blog. It's more if you use it for private issues. So... I won't give any private data to Google.

(But they'll porbably collect data from everyone who's visiting the blogg.)

No worse than hosting your site elsewhere, in that fashion. Hosting it on Yahoo, MSN or even on your own site will allow cookie tracking to occur with any similar cookies you might have elsewhere and so, for this particular project, you might be overreacting. :)

zerojay 2009-09-04 06:04

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
Made a few attempts at recording the podcast using Maemo Recorder. Quality's pretty bad... and it decided to use some weird special format to record it in, even though I specifically said "use WAV". Awesome.

Don't know if anyone would want to hear this, so I'll probably just redo it using another method.

thp 2009-09-06 11:44

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Any status updates? Do you need some help?

mag4you 2009-09-13 19:33

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 321292)
Made a few attempts at recording the podcast using Maemo Recorder. Quality's pretty bad... and it decided to use some weird special format to record it in, even though I specifically said "use WAV". Awesome.

Don't know if anyone would want to hear this, so I'll probably just redo it using another method.

Perhaps you can use Mer if sound is working.
We should make an episode about the next release of Mer 0.16, anyway. E.g. experimenting with the 0.16testing versions (I'll install one the next days - so you may ask me for a testreport xDD).

pokey 2009-09-14 13:27

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
The Bad Apples podcast is recorded on the n800's built in mic, and it sounds fine. It's not twit, but I'd listen to it if it were through cans and string. It's the content that counts. Just ask klaatu how he does it.

I disagree that sound quality should come before content. Every podcast (every process for that matter) gets better as the creator learns to do it better. If you put great audio quality before content you get TWIT. If you put content before a professional setup, you get HPR, LottaLinuxLinks, TLLTS, and Bad Apples. Put out good content and improve your equipment as you see fit and you wind up with great shows like Ubuntu UK, Linux Outlaws and Craphound. I dunno about you guys, but I hate twit, and love the others.

Just put out what YOU have to say. As long as it doesn't actually hurt peoples ears (yes some do), we'll listen if you have something to say.

zerojay 2009-09-14 13:39

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
No, there's no real hangups. I've got my first guest lined up... it's just been a matter of having the quiet time to do this while I'm a full time dad. Don't worry, it's coming and it shouldn't sound too horrible either.

Laughing Man 2009-09-15 21:42

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
I wonder if it's possible to record through the mic of a bluetooth headset or the nokia headphones (if I remember correctly it had a mic on it?)

timsamoff 2009-09-15 21:48

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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 327449)
I wonder if it's possible to record through the mic of a bluetooth headset or the nokia headphones (if I remember correctly it had a mic on it?)

Yes. (Obligatory extra characters to fulfill minimum requirements.)

Tim

mag4you 2010-01-06 21:17

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
Seams this idea is dead?

lowang35 2010-01-06 21:27

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I haven't heard of this idea until now... But I think it's a great idea and wouldn't mind editing some of the podcasts if there is some "stars" :D available for recording...

mag4you 2010-01-06 21:31

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Never mind. Be the first. xD

mag4you 2010-01-06 21:40

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Hopefully, there'll be some progress here next time.

tissot 2010-01-06 22:48

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I would defienetly be one more listener for Maemo podcast if it ever happens.

shiny 2010-01-06 23:07

Re: Interest in a Maemo Podcast?
 
Yep, I'd certainly be interested in listening (via gPodder on the N900, of course) to this too.

canabal 2010-01-07 00:42

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I would for sure listen.

thp 2010-01-07 10:08

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All About Maemo has started a podcast back in October, but only one episode has been released so far:

http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/news/it..._Podcast_1.php

Of course, you can search YouTube users for "maemo" in gPodder and subscribe to some Maemo-related videos (e.g. maemo5uiteam).

lowang35 2010-01-07 10:15

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But is there any volunteers for speaking? Like a main host or something similar to that?

mag4you 2010-01-07 18:46

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That should be some english speaking one's. (So not me xD)

mag4you 2010-01-07 18:49

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Zerojay wanted to record a test episode some time ago, but he seems busy.

Techtertainment 2010-02-09 16:20

Maemo Weekly Podcast anybody?
 
All I do most days is code (java mainly) while drinking my stimulant drinks and listening to Knowledgeable podcasts. Podcasts mainly from the BBC such as Documentaries and Digital Planet and some technology podcasts. Though I am not a big fan of the tech podcasts because most of them are US centric, full either lack of understanding or ignorance for anything beyond the US borders, whether successful or not.

I was working away about 30 minutes ago (4pm GMT 9th Feb 2010) and thought, "hey why is there no podcast for the maemo community to compliment the Newsletter recently launched"

like the allaboutsymbian podcast i think having a weekly Maemo podcast will be a great idea.

there could even be a section where every week they sit down with a member of the Nokia Maemo team for a 5 minutes interview.

So what you think?

RockCreek1 2010-02-09 16:46

Re: Maemo Weekly Podcast anybody?
 
good idea, but could do without the US bashing.


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