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Master of Gizmo 2009-10-16 06:04

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Addison (Post 347923)
So no more interest is supporting the Wii remote?
Well shoot. :)

There's WiiControl. What else do you need?

Addison 2009-10-16 06:07

Re: SNES on N900
 
Oh, I thought you were the author of Wii Control.

Anyway, yeah I tried installing that but ran into a wall with it.

Not sure what my next step was supposed to be.

Sorry about confusing you with someone else. :)

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-16 06:28

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Addison (Post 348104)
Oh, I thought you were the author of Wii Control.

Anyway, yeah I tried installing that but ran into a wall with it.

Not sure what my next step was supposed to be.

That's why i am doing this zeemote thing. The DrNokSnes emulator is really beginner friendly and so should imho be the controller integration.

Addison 2009-10-16 06:30

Re: SNES on N900
 
Okay.

I caught a few of them on Ebay. I'll probably pick one up then.

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-16 16:04

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Addison (Post 348115)
Okay.
I caught a few of them on Ebay. I'll probably pick one up then.

They are really so much smaller than a wiimote that it makes sense to carry them around.

Pushwall 2009-10-16 18:10

Re: SNES on N900
 
Wow, if the zeemote works on my N800 with DrNokSnes then I'll definitely get one. I just checked on eBay like Addison mentioned and now wonder which one to get. Should it be the universal one or one for Nokia phones or does it even matter?

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-16 18:20

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pushwall (Post 348776)
Wow, if the zeemote works on my N800 with DrNokSnes then I'll definitely get one. I just checked on eBay like Addison mentioned and now wonder which one to get. Should it be the universal one or one for Nokia phones or does it even matter?

Dunno, do they mention a difference somewhere?

I bought mine seperately, so i can't tell for sure that there's isn't a difference to the ones that come bundled with phones. But i don't expect a difference.

If you buy one and it doesn't work, you might send it to me for some days and i'll see if i can make it work.

NvyUs 2009-10-16 18:27

Re: SNES on N900
 
they are all the same,
only thing what differs is for some Operating systems you have to install a appliccation to use for connecting and key mapping, on s60 its called Zeekey.

javispedro 2009-10-16 18:29

Re: SNES on N900
 
I am interested too in a zeemote, so if you find good prices...

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-18 18:46

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 348795)
I am interested too in a zeemote, so if you find good prices...

I just ordered a second one via ebay to test the multiplayer stuff. I can also send you if noone else thinks it's worth making such a donation to you.

NSchuyler 2009-10-18 19:13

Re: SNES on N900
 
So..... I'm a little confused about a couple of things....

Wii mote controls connect over bluetooth and you use solely the dpad and a and b (1 &2) to control SNES games correct?

the Zeemote has a joystick that functions as a dpad, and you use a trigger or other buttons to jump etc with the same hand?

This seems inefficient compared to the two handed wii mote.

So can somebody just briefly tell me the advantage of the zeemote?

Also, (and this is the main reason for this post) would it be possible to connect two zeemotes and use them both simultaneously as one player? I.e. dual joysticks for an fps like experience?

Sorry and thanks!

NvyUs 2009-10-18 19:20

Re: SNES on N900
 
zeemote as four buttons and the whole structure of the device is mapped perfectly for one handed use, all the buttons are perfectly positioned to thumb and fingers.
also zeemote is small enough just to stick in your pocket so you can pull it out and play anywhere.

NSchuyler 2009-10-18 19:22

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo (Post 350497)
I just ordered a second one via ebay to test the multiplayer stuff. I can also send you if noone else thinks it's worth making such a donation to you.

Anyone on eBay you recommend as a seller of Zeemotes? :)

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-19 07:39

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NSchuyler (Post 350532)
Anyone on eBay you recommend as a seller of Zeemotes? :)

No, i just ordered "somewhere".

spinnukur 2009-10-20 19:12

Re: SNES on N900
 
Can someone create a guide for us 'Noobs' on what to do, what to download ( I'm searched the extra section's and I keep finding multiple versions of the SNES download ) for the snes, wii control, and what's the newest version to download? How to install, run the program, select a game to play, etc.

Basically a guide for noobs that have no idea what to do...


Any help is greatly appreciated, I'm a noob when it comes to maemo/linux software and would love to be able to play snes with my wii or zeemote remote when my n900 gets here. Thanks.

r0eladn 2009-10-22 00:35

Re: SNES on N900
 
how is the widescreen thing for docter snes or whatever its name is going im gonna play widescreen not in a fscking cubicle.

anyone got anything on this?

r0eladn 2009-10-23 23:22

Re: SNES on N900
 
hellooooo... heLLOOOO.. is there anyone alive out there?!?

non wide snes is like chick without boobs.
when you played with them when they were just born they didnt have tits but now they are older you certainly want to see tits because theres alot of other gaming to do out there.

i am talking in limbo here i start getting that feeling more and more i need a scotch on my rocks. okay someone must have understood that one? plz. god......

pelago 2009-10-24 13:25

Re: SNES on N900
 
Were you drunk when you posted this?

GunnerzMate 2009-10-24 18:04

Re: SNES on N900
 
What other games will we be able to play other than Super Mario?

r0eladn 2009-10-24 18:08

Re: SNES on N900
 
yes i was. lovedrunk from your m0m. okay italy why dont you kick sicily and stop progress-blocking the thread.

imokruok 2009-10-24 18:14

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GunnerzMate (Post 357296)
What other games will we be able to play other than Super Mario?

I am assuming the SNES emulator is relatively (entirely?) standards-compliant. If this is the case, any SNES ROM will work.

To comment on wiimote/zeemote, while the zeemote is certainly pocketable, the wiimote is going to offer the more authentic experience. Plus, since many people have a Wii, it's going to be a lot easier to pick up and game with a Wiimote than to make an additional purchase.

javispedro 2009-10-24 18:24

Re: SNES on N900
 
"Standards-compliant"? :rolleyes: Hehe.

It's a DrPocketSNES clone after all, so if a game doesn't work in DrPocketSNES it won't probably work in DrNokSNES. There have a few changes already which have improved compatibility with certain ROMs. But, probably, new bugs have been introduced.

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-27 20:30

Re: SNES on N900
 
I just received my second zeemote. My drivers and the n900 seem to support both at once just fine and i have already done some work to make drnoksnes detect them both. But some further work is still required ...

Still noone interested in donating a unit to javispedro so he can actually put this into the main line? Before that that probably not be any zeemote support in the official drnoksnes release.

I can always do a private hack just for me and my friends, but having an official version for the general public requires some contributions from the users side.

C'mon guys, are you all really just passive consuments?

tangs 2009-10-27 21:09

Re: SNES on N900
 
I would like to help in anyway possible, can you tell me concretly what i can do ?

would it be possible to have a new video of snes running on the N900 ?

thanx a lot :)

javispedro 2009-10-27 21:31

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo (Post 359243)
Still noone interested in donating a unit to javispedro so he can actually put this into the main line?

Thanks for the offer, but I'm not ready to accept donations so far :) Don't worry.

twaelti 2009-10-28 12:32

Re: SNES on N900
 
Hello all

I received my Zeemote JS1 today. IMHO, this should become THE unofficial gamecontroller for the N900 and Till (Master of Gizmo) has done a fantastic work already, so we are ready to rumble :-)
I will gladly help in testing and do documentation in the wiki.

Javispedro: I will pay you a Zeemote :-) Can I send you 20 EUR by postal mail or PayPal ? (do this all the time, don't worry, see www.hitiles.com for my hobby ;-) OTOH, in regards to the high quality of Till's works: simply take his code contribution and integrate it please :-)

Till: Can I get your private build somewhere for "testing"? Dankeschön (ich war am Summit am Sonntag vor dem Hotel, als du uns die Zeemote gezeigt hattest)

Rushmore 2009-10-28 12:48

Re: SNES on N900
 
I posted a while ago about emulators and was told there are already MAME, NES, Genesis, Turbofrax, Final Burn, GBA apps as well for Maemo, but I "only" found NES, SNES and maybe GBA.

I guess Maemo was not the game mecca I was told about? I would have thought the Linux based emulators out there would have been ported, but perhaps the average level of game interest is low with Maemo devs and users?

Update:

I have a G1, but the darn byte layer code weighs some games down- still, with a 528mhz clock the following emulators play with sound and I have tested over a thousand games (sadly true).

1. NES plays all games including MMC chipped perfectly
2. Gensis plays most games except some of the "3D" games perfectly
3. SNES same as Genesis performance
4. GBA same as Gen and SNES performance
5. MAME4all plays about 70% games well with sound
6. Neo Geo plays most well- but some better without sound
7. Finalburn plays complex Cave shooters well with sound

Android has been out only a year and already has these emulators. I would have to guess that a more efficient OS like Maemo would be far better than Android and it's byte code layer.

Ironic that a younger and resource hungry OS like Android appears to have more working emulators. I would expect it to be reverse of this.

I am glad I am getting my N900 for internet and media more than games. Could be a long wait for gamers?

ewan 2009-10-28 13:04

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo (Post 359243)
I can always do a private hack just for me and my friends, but having an official version for the general public requires some contributions from the users side.

C'mon guys, are you all really just passive consuments?

Um - if you're going to hack it yourself, why don't you just send him the patch?

javispedro 2009-10-28 13:20

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 359809)
but perhaps the average level of game interest is low with Maemo devs and users?

That must totally be the reason, and not the fact that nearly no one has hardware. Not me, fwiw.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 359809)
I would have to guess that a more efficient OS like Maemo would be far better than Android and it's byte code layer.

Well, I doubt anyone implemented a emulator in Java. I bet that all SNES Android emulators are based in DrPocketSnes in fact, thus C/C++ .

I demand objective benchmarks. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ewan (Post 359824)
Um - if you're going to hack it yourself, why don't you just send him the patch?

He did.The ball is on my side now, sorry.

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-28 13:28

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tangs (Post 359285)
I would like to help in anyway possible, can you tell me concretly what i can do ?

would it be possible to have a new video of snes running on the N900 ?

I think it might be possible to ask javispedro for his snail mail address and send him a zeemote.

Dual-player with two zeemotes is running nicely now. I'll see if we can capture a video of a two-player round of micromachines this evening. Two player is just so much more fun!

Rushmore 2009-10-28 13:34

Re: SNES on N900
 
I was referring to Maemo and previous hardware and not just the N900 (sorry).

The devs that made the emulators for Android found a way to use C+, but they still have to use some resources through the byte code translation layer.

Still, they run waaaay better than a Java version would. If you search Youtube, you will see how great games run on Android based emulators, so Maemo and the N900 should run through them all like warm butter :)

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-28 13:37

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ewan (Post 359824)
Um - if you're going to hack it yourself, why don't you just send him the patch?

I did and will do again this evening with two player mode. But i can fully understand that he doens't just add features he can't even test without the required hardware.

ewan 2009-10-28 14:07

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo (Post 359858)
I did and will do again this evening with two player mode.

OK; I read it as though you were keeping a private fork, but wanted everyone to send controllers to javispedro so he could write the support. It did seem rather odd; anyway, my bad.

Quote:

But i can fully understand that he doens't just add features he can't even test without the required hardware.
I can certainly see that, but if it helps, take a deep breath and remember that there are drivers in the Linux kernel that have been written, reviewed and included, all by people that don't have access to the hardware :)

Not to mention virtually the entire contents of maemo-extras.

javispedro 2009-10-28 14:19

Re: SNES on N900
 
The issue is that I want to try sneaking a working version to extras(-stable), then start working on a next release considering the newest developments in mind, possibly dropping libhgw and SDL (and thus going to X11+EGL+Pulseaudio/esd, or even just Gtk+, as fms does. still not decided on this.) and reworking the input system, so that one can play with multiple zeemotes, or one wiimote and a zeemote, etc.

twaelti 2009-10-28 15:08

Re: SNES on N900
 
Reporting back that the patched DR.NOKSNES from Master of Gizmo works really nicely with the Zeemote. A round of Super Metroid confirmed it :-)

twaelti 2009-10-28 15:10

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 359889)
The issue is that I want to try sneaking a working version to extras(-stable), then start working on a next release considering the newest developments in mind, possibly dropping libhgw and SDL (and thus going to X11+EGL+Pulseaudio/esd, or even just Gtk+, as fms does. still not decided on this.) and reworking the input system, so that one can play with multiple zeemotes, or one wiimote and a zeemote, etc.

Please sneak the patched version ;-) You will get at least two more votes in -test (Till and me I'd guess :-) and we can then start promoting the Zeemote in the Wiki for Gaming etc.

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-28 16:36

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 359927)
Please sneak the patched version ;-)

You can get the zeemote/n900 version here for now. It's probably not that urgent to do a proper release since only few people actually own a zeemote.

tangs 2009-10-28 19:03

Re: SNES on N900
 
Hi twaelti, that could be possible to have a video of Metroid running on the N900 ??? it could be soooooo great ! :))

NvyUs 2009-10-28 19:13

Re: SNES on N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tangs (Post 360159)
Hi twaelti, that could be possible to have a video of Metroid running on the N900 ??? it could be soooooo great ! :))

with zeemote being used too ;)

Master of Gizmo 2009-10-28 20:35

Re: SNES on N900
 
See my zeemote multiplayer drnoksnes on n900 Youtube video ...


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