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Exactly. Not to mention the whole Apple = closed is more because of Steve Jobs than general Apple employees. He's quite the control freak.

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so it would seem, i bumped into a article that mentioned the first macintosh being quite locked down, similar to how the iphone is (even now with the app store, something the first iphone did not have out of the box).

makes one ponder where the change was, when one consider the apple2, and how one almost got the map to the kingdom.

i guess it shows the differing attitudes of jobs and woz...

still, while it may not affect a whole company, it may affect a division, just look at how different android is vs other parts of google...

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I didn't say he would, and you focusing on that leads me to think you missed the point, which was to simply provide an example of such malfeasance.

It's a potentially big deal because it introduces uncertainty at a bad time, IMO. If you've seen the Nokia vs Apple threads here and considered the spirit of this endeavor you might come to realize people's concerns are natural and completely within reason. They may turn out to be unfounded, but at this point the fear of the unknown reigns for some.

Flawed analogy. No direct relevance.

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Sure they can. And depending on the effect, they get fired, promoted or hired away.

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i agree?.....

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nobody even knows what impact if any he will have.
as for the people saying this will help nokia compete with apple look at market share nokia are more than competing already and will only get stronger now there long term strategy for services and there open source OS's are starting to ripen soon it will be time to harvest the fruit 2010 will be a massive year

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this might explain why we have different views.

you're concerned about market shares. i'm concerned about getting a product that's right for me, not for others.

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Nokia is concerned with market shares, I just dont want my $600 tablet (with Maemo) to flop like S60.;)

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I could have sworn I'd acknowledged this...

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I know I'm new here, but this is my take on this....time was when when Maemo ran only on a relative handful of tablets and was only a minor part of Nokia's plans (in the overall scope of things, understand). But now they've kinda bet the smartphone farm on Maemo. Their top-of-the-line flagship devices - which are phones too, not just tablets, meaning a much, much larger, freakin' HUGE market - are now committed to run and so are dependent on Maemo. Surely Nokia realizes that If Maemo fails as their new smartphone OS, they may not have time to try again with another OS before competitors like Apple or Android have too much momentum to stop. Probably a good bet since Maemo 5 looks awesome.

So Maemo's overall quality, future development and software support are the key to Nokia's plans. And obviously, success on down the road depends on the continued goodwill, support and efforts of the Maemo community.

Now, do you really think that Nokia will let one friggin' carpetbagger from Apple come in and upset that applecart? (sorry) NO chance. The Maemo community is FAR more important to Nokia's plan than he is. If he rocks the good ship Maemo he'll fall overboard. Oops...he slipped on the deck...sharks...oooohhhnnnooo...

I'm gonna relax now and think about how much fun that N900 is gonna be...

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Ok , I know what you mean. But to get what's right for you, market share still matters. IOW, if you want to have products to choose from, there has to be a market for them. So, what works for others must be considered. One customer does not make a production run.

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To the worried ones, you can safely consider your comments fruit of paranoia. :)

Texrat, you are in the council now and you will be in Amsterdam next week. Seriously, go ask Peter or Ari.

He is a top executive from one company moving to another company. He is not heading the R&D function that Ari keeps heading but goes to lead the business function that is elsewhere in the company and you have probably never heard about. This kind of moves happen in big corporations. Business as usual.

Nokia has a strategy with Maemo and, just like in any corporation, the hirings are made to implement the strategy successfully.

Please move on unless you enjoy FUD and paranoia.

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Quim, thanks for that, but really-- it's good to let people vent, and their concerns should be received and considered rather than summarily dismissed. In fact the latter induces more paranoia.

Think of my involvement here as talking people down from ledges. ;)

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I think what people are worried about is the delicate balance between open source and profit. Nokia has an amazing opportunity to bring open source to phones before a single closed-source OS takes over like it did with PCs. Linux on PCs faces a much steeper uphill battle. People hope that Nokia will prove the commercial viability of an open source system, which will lead the way to greater acceptance of open source in PCs and other products.

I personally believe the balance between open source and profit to be extremely delicate... just look what happened to lcuk over the past week. This is how much people care about open source.

One top-level employee could easily throw off this balance.

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i am not sure they have. nokia still have a solid presence in africa an asia from what i understand, and where basically nowhere to be found in north america, especially usa.

about the only marketplace apple may have invaded is europe, and i am getting the impression that the customer response was a fair bit more relaxed then usa (tho this may vary by nation).

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Discussions like this are part of a natural, human process and need to play out... especially in the spirit of openness. ;)

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sadly, when first started, they may never come to an agreement, as its just as much emotions as logic involved...

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Absolutely, but again: if the dialog is stifled, paranoia and distrust escalate.

That's why facilitators, negotiators and moderators stay busy. ;)

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flop? s60? what planet are you on? (not only is it a phenomenal success in terms of market share, it's also still the OS of choice for me for phones... and probably will remain for a few more years, as long as S60v3 phones are available.)

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he is walking into the common fallacy that USA == world...

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actually i was talking about the OS itself, but nice try

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i repeat, i dont care about market share, Nokia does (and apparently you too). And I have NOT been satisfied by the recent S60 offerings from Nokia. But to each his own.

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in that case, its symbian, not S60, as its the version nokia uses (specifically its symbian with a interface made to match nokias older phone firmware, known as S40).

motorola and sonyericsson used a different interface on top of symbain, uiq. tho the latter folded ones nokia grabbed the symbian shares and started setting up the symbian foundation.

still, if you swap OS for platform, you may well be correct, tho i am still not sure about S60, as a platform, being a flop, given how many nokia phones there are out there running it.

btw, here is a list of gsm phones running symbian S60...

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I think simply being worried isn't necessarily on the same level with paranoia. I'm prepared to trust you on this, so I'm glad this thread was here for you to post in.

But this I don't quite understand. Think about this: does R&D control the business function or does the business function control R&D? Shouldn't this information in fact make us more worried rather than less?

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you are correct i meant platform. and flop was an incorrect descriptor, 'disappointment in its evolution' would have been more accurate. hence the fact i've held on to my E61 for so long. trust me i look overseas for all of my cellular options. :D

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dont assume that its that loved in the usa. just those of us who like shiny things. most of us like freedom.

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my n95 is better then the iphone.

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i like the n97 with the new firmware version 2 from the software side. the downfall for me is the old processor

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Not to cause any concern...but it seems are you just correcting one fallacy and inserting another. Or perhaps it is just friendly American bashing. :)

Regardless, your old-fashoined sterotypes of Americans is no longer true, if it ever was. Things have changed, for example besides President Obama, there is an Austrian-born actor in charge of my State. IMO, modern Americans certianly have a worldview.

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Think about this: both R&D, business and many other functions work together in order to bring beautiful and successful products to the market.

It's the third time I'm posting in this thread saying that you don't have to worry. If someone still prefers to worry then it's worthless to try with a 4th post. So I won't even try. :)

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Some do.

I don't see very many here in Texas.

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Who's worrying? We're just having a discussion at this point ;)

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All Obama proves is that the people who will never vote for a black person don't outnumber those who will always vote for a black person. Hopefully everyone in between is no more or less stupid than when they voted for Bush, and judged him for his policies rather than his impact on America's "worldview".

And we all know what happens when an Austrian gains power in a foreign country.

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While I agree that hings are SLOWLY changing, it still too little.
America might be modern in terms of technology etc, but not in mindset. 'Modern Americans' are still a minority in America. [Look at the vest hinterland to see that instead of looking at the coasts]

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Yes certainly this is all it means to you.

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No need to get defensive. I think bashing Americans is a stupid way of trying to feel superior, and I think it's equally stupid to think Obama somehow proves the bashers wrong.

What does it mean to you?

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Aren't we having fun now? :D

Just think of me as your comedian councilman, the Minister of Mirth. I may not be sjgadsby, but I'll do my best.

You're welcome.

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that's why we turn to other countries instead:

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That was an obvious joke, but I should know better than getting involved in political discussions. I'll stop now.

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their all the same damn phone. a new device does something new something different. not just add the letters g and s.