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Why you care bout some weird #/# "rating", given by some unknown reviewer? :)

Long time ago, in Russia, there was a game magazine called "Game.exe". Their main feature and curse the same time was their style of reviewing. They didn't give ratings to graphics, sound, gameplay and other stuff. They were writing very sophisticated review that looked more like prose that review. Every author had his own style and favourite genre. But since it was too complicated format for schoolboys that wanted to buy game that with 9+ "overall points" without even reading what it is about, that magazine failed to sell well.

But it was the best magazine I've ever read in my life.

The point of that story that the only thing that you need is your own opinion. Don't pay much attention to others.

Re: Another Iphone fanatic with N900 review
 

I read an article where a guy was angry about dropping calls on his iPhone. The support guy said that he only dropped about 10% and he should consider himself lucky.... http://tinyurl.com/ybb9nw9

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For me the article reads:

It's a great phone with some rough edges which will be perfected in the next version, but it is too comlicated and feature packed for the average iphone user :p

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going a bit back in the history, the story Apple put out with iPhone wasn't just that you can't multitask. It was that you can't have even native apps, as web was supposed to provide all apps you ever need.

well, native apps came eventually. I wonder how long Apple can keep out multitasking with vague argumentation of use time and performance.

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I can definitely state that my iPhone drops about 20% of the calls... and a lot of that time, I'm in the office and not driving about. But do you blame the phone's reception or the network?

Sorta been wondering that one for a bit actually.

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I would guess it's the mostly network. I haven't heard of anyone here in Finland having calls regularly dropped with their iphone, or any other phone for that matter. Our networks are pretty sturdy though.

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Nokia should give phones to this people. Not before and not even after. This people are committed to finish Nokia. All American carriers refuse to sell Nokia phones.
That said I also confess that nokia it’s only reacting with pressure. If the iphone didn’t arrived 3 years ago they would sill stay with n95 style mobiles.

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Na, with just 500 millions of us Europeans, we're probably not as major as you 300 million americans.

Can you insert the other foot, too?

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lol i like that

im an american =)

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It seems a lot of people are angered by the 6/10 score and the comments left on his blog wasn't helpful. The score is a bit tough, but the review was pretty balanced. He said plenty good things about the device despite the fact he didn't like it that much, which speaks much more loudly than a Nokia fan singing praises.

I don't think the review is very informative though. For example, it mentioned that the touch interface is "painful" and "challenging", but he didn't mention how. Most of the reviewers seems to think the touch screen is pretty responsive, some even claimed that it's better than iphone's. Therefore, I am very interested in what's bothering him. Lack of multi touch maybe?

He did mention the battery life was better than iphones, which is very encouraging considering how small the battery is.

iphone and the n-series always appeal to different groups of people. To me, the lack of camera flash kills iphone, but to others, it may not be a big deal. I also didn't like the lack of turn by turn navigation altough tomtom is releasing an app for it. So far, I still rate my n95 above n900 though due to the lack of Garmin gps software, but that's just me.

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The overall score had no relative weight explained and used the iPhone as a reference for grade parameters. The review is not very good with subjective science as a result. I bet this person is a lib or a Manbearpig follower ;)

Let us see how much the iPhone lovers love their baby when they find out how hard these devices are going to be to jailbreak and keep them in that state. Android is trying the same tactics with 2.0.

Still, there are some pretty good games on the iPhone. Proprietary interface, no KB, no emulators unless unlocked- all suck, but there are some good games on it.

Sure hope we get a good artillery game too ;) I would like one :)

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iPhone is one concept, and one concept only. Which is great for simplicity's sake and even if it is simple it has a lot of features. Which all together is just a unique product.
And usually when things are unique, people tend be very and sometimes overly proud on their precious unique things. (soccermoms?)

i would like to call this: psycho-logic

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an iPhone is an iPhone and not a programmers (nerds) playtool

The iPhone's essentials are the simplicity and the huge choice of apps.

Let's see ... if the n900 - community can deliver 85.000 Apps (and I talk about real Apps and not the third or fifth term-Application) maybe the guy on the street will have a n900

I own a n800 and I miss a lot of things, I miss real useful apps

- Golf Apps like Scorecards, Range Finder, GPS Apps
- GPS (Navigation) Apps like Qype Radar; MySpots; SpeedCam Apps

I just ordered an iPhone and cancelled my PreOrder for a N900, I will wait what is in the queue and maybe I will come back when the apps are available

and by the way: I accept to pay good money for a really good app

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Maybe one could sum up the difference between the Apple and Maemo approach in this tongue-in cheek way:

Apple makes dumb users feel smart; Maemo makes smart users feel dumb.

Of course that isn't literally true; but I think that Apple stuff is popular partly because users trust it not to confront them with an ego-defeating struggle, ending in failure, and all too often they have had the opposite experience with other products.

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Its from the perspective that doesn't wring every ounce from his device, has his group of core functions, and likes the simplicity of a device that does those things with the most ease. He's actually more like most end users out there, so its good to get his opinion. Om isn't a Nokia hater, just an iPhone lover. He likes the K.I.S.S. methodology, and Nokia has to figure how to balance that in Symbian^4 to avoid that stigma. Maybe a basic and advanced mode with more features, which I've suggested for years.

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iPhone is an appliance, just like a Tivo. Why can't people just accept this fact?

It does what it's designed for rather well, but you can't just wrestle it open.

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I'm glad they got them. Readers that subscribe to their views should know the N900 isn't for them. Now if one of the Maemo blogs gave a similar review, then I'd be worried. When BGR blasted the N96, it was mostly ignored. When we blasted the N96 on SF, that meant something.

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Once again, it all comes down to what it does when you turn it on.... for most people.

http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...at-does-it-do/

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GigaOm's review helped put my mind at ease about the battery at least. At least he gave a relative comparison with an another phone.

Those who blasted the n97 were crucified on howardforums, hoping for more non-Nokia-fan user reviews to really get an objective opinion on the N900.

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I'm EXTREMELY happy and relieved to read what Om said about the N900's battery life :)

Out of a meager 1300mah battery pack too!

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As Symbian sales figures show, the market isn't dumb, just diversifying. Some want simple, others want extended features.

With N900, Nokia Still Not Close to The iPhone - gigaom
 

http://gigaom.com/2009/10/19/nokia-n900/

"How does it function as a phone? It is unbelievably great and I experienced no dropped calls on the T-Mobile network"


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http://gizmodo.com/5370493/apple-gen...al-in-new-york

iphone drops 30% of calls

Re: With N900, Nokia Still Not Close to The iPhone - gigaom
 

Already posted in the n900 section - can we get a merge on this please.

Re: With N900, Nokia Still Not Close to The iPhone - gigaom
 

Yes. Done.

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hmm, i dont see anyone comparing the Viliv S5 to the iphone, so why the N900?

Its a different class of device and comparisons seem pointless.

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I’ve been a harsh critic of Nokia’s inability to compete with Apple and Google’s Android-based smartphones. No one can accuse me of not making it clear that I think Nokia is on a very slippery slope and unless it fields a competitive device, it will continue to see its share of the smartphone market erode. In particular, I’m not a big fan of the company’s multiple operating system strategy, but it is becoming clear: Nokia needs to move away from its aging smartphone platform, Symbian.

Hm, you don't like Nokia? Then why review the N900 in the first place? You don't like that Nokia has a variety of multiple operating systems across their phones? Why? Because the iPhone has just one and you are jealous?

I’ve been playing around with an early version of this device...

Ah, ok, then don't call your article a review, but a preview, Mr. We review final products, not prototypes. For those we either have a preview or impression/thoughts. But wait, you are so blind by the iPhone that you don't know what a review is, nor how does it look.

The N900 resembles an old-fashioned cigarette pack; it’s not the prettiest device on the market.

Sure it's not. Everybody bow down to the sexiness of the iPhone!

So how does it stack up against the iPhone 3GS? It’s heavier and thicker and is missing the sleekness of the Apple device.

Sure it is. Ever heard of a hw keyboard? Oh wait, iPhone doesn't have one...

I only wish Nokia made commonly used keys such as @ easy to access.

So dumbed down people can sit on their shiny butts all the time and do nothing extra, because they are lazy and too comfortable. Yeah, makes sense.

I’m not a great fan of the resistive screen technologies and as such found interacting with the phone via touchscreen extremely painfully. Maybe it’s my brain, wired to look for an iPhone-like functionality, but N900’s touch features are extremely challenging.

Of course it's challenging for people with no muscles like you to swipe their fingers across the screen. The N900 clearly doesn't want you, it's afraid you would infect it with your iPhone ******ia - thus resistive. You do not posses the ancient gene to control this device.

Nokia has a long tradition of providing the best mobile cameras in its phones and N900 is no different. The 5.8-megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss lens is phenomenal.

5.8 you say? I didn't know Nokia added an extra of 0.8 pixels to the camera. Thanks for letting me know, thank you indeed.

The battery power is adequate — better than any iPhone but much lower than classic Nokia phones.

So in other words: "I'm crying every day in the corner of my room, because the iPhone keeps on dying all the time." - Just like Kenny. Apple - those basterds! How could they?

The UI of Maemo is crisp and clear, though it does look dated in comparison to Apple’s iPhone. I’m going to go out on a limb here and claim that the UI is marginally better than that of Android. Both operating systems have one common fault, however: They look very much like a PC-inspired OS. That said, I think Nokia has still not mastered the art of “no.” Apple makes its things great by leaving features out; Nokia somehow believes that adding more makes its products great. Maemo suffers from that, but it isn’t something Nokia can’t fix — quickly.

Sure it is dated. What came first? Let me guess. Oh yes, iPhone. But that can't be dated, can it? With all the buggy OS updates it is shiny like new. Wait, Maemo 5 looks like a PC-inspired OS? Wow, who would have thought, right? It makes no sense at all, right? Yeah, Apple is so great, that for twice the price you get twice less features than with the N900. Magic! iPhone is so great for having less! Wait, did I just hear you say it's too much for your brain to handle? Better see a Doc, mate.

The biggest problem I had with the Maemo UI is that it isn’t unique enough. It’s coming late to the market, and as a result it looks somewhat like MotoBlur — a screen with a lot of widget-styled apps. It uses multiple desktops and also multiple screens, which makes the user experience a tad confusing.

Confusing you say? Or simply just better?

That's all from me I guess. One more thing though - learn how to write a review, will you? Your text is hardly a paragraph - we aren't in elementary anymore, you know?


Sorry guys, I just had to. This dude is a complete id*ot, from head to bottom lol.

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The article is a microcosm of the market.

iPhone users will go straight to the end and read the 6/10.
N900 users will dissect the article for what it is, and come back for more but with a bigger microscope :D

Mike C

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There really is no point arguing with the itards... i just leave them be now.

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I agree, iTards are difficult individuals to deal with. I believe they may have an actual disease, a disease that is contracted via purchasing the iPhone.

We should report this to the surgeon general immediately

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I have said this a few times I think, but to me the issue with iPhone can be summed up as "the iPhone is a pacifier". That's what it is used for, that what it was when it was released. When you try to take a pacifier from a baby suckling on one, we all know what happens next...
I've read a lot of posts in this whole forum that accurately note and explain (better than I) (and btw. this thread is repeating itself a lot) the design choices made by Apple that cripples the iPhone to the point where it drives those who actually want to multitask with their phones nuts.
Back when the iPhone was released it truly was 'ahead of it's time' technologically and ideologically too. The hw was right, and it was fast. It didn't matter that the hw was crippled by Apple with software, the (very smart) marketing was super-effective. Hell, even I did check it out, just to find out that it was what it really was. Something not for me.
As a side note, I personally think that Apple has a 'five-step plan' similar to Nokia's, and they eventually will release an iPhone that does the same thing than the N900 does today. They really cannot afford not to.
It's fun to notice how the reality starts to sink in with the iPhone fanboys. When they realize that they actually can't do too many things with a device that also costs a lot. Actually, any form of fanboyism seems entertaining to me. These phones... they're just tech devices that eventually get overtaken by evolution and time. It's stupid to worship a single device to the point that it blinds you from seeing anything else. It's good to share excitement over something new, but over a certain point it's too much.
Now Nokia has always had the idea of making phones that do a lot of things, even with the s40 'non-smartphones' have had a lot value for money. And those s40 phones that have an audio player, they can also play music in the background while doing other (non-multitasking) stuff. Well, Nokia did a lot of things way before the iPhone that Apple has copied over. There is nothing wrong with that, that's how things happen. But the iPhone fanbois.. Argh! It's suddenly a personal attack if I or somebody else tries to explain that there actually were phones before the One and there are other that do the same things and even phones that do more and better. They defend their choice of device with pride, but fail to have the courage to actually think.
But no-one should blame the individuals for their fanboyism. It's the carriers and their ways of doing business in USA that have created them. And Apple plays that game oh so very well. I mean, it's so simple. How else could it be? The marketing machines just roll over the average Joe. If you don't know of anything better... Whether this can be considered a conspiracy, I dare not to say.

Oh well. But I think the truth will out, as I believe they say. Personally, I don't mind these kind of reviews too much. Just give me what I want, and f*** the rest. So what if they can't see the light, just don't come to me *****in' about it. :D

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I follow Om since a long time and he has been writing off Nokia quite a bit of late.
But even in huis articles as of a month back - he wasnt that aware of Maemo as a platform and his sense of Nokia no t doing anything right was based on his knowledge of Nokia as a Symbian power-house.

But in the mainstream media I have seen others also write off Nokia as a first impression.
Apart from Om, his fellow blogger Dave Winer (of RSS fame) has given up on his iPhone a long time , but when suggested the N900 and Maemo as a open platform, he wasn't that warm to it either - as according to him Nokia fails in terms of making things easy and intuitive like the iPhone (even though Dave is objective and doesn't like the iPhone because of its closed nature).

So to many mainstream users the iPhone is a benchmark of what is right with a mobile device - as much as they understand what is wrong with the iPhone and Apple.

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If it was not for the N900, the e71 would have been the last Nokia I would ever buy. They wasted soo much goodwill in the last 2 years I'm not surprised everyone treats them with suspicion now.
- N95 8GB . Lets try and milk a few more years out the n95
- That N series camera phone for NAM. EPIC delay to US markets! can't even remember the model number
- N97. Total Joke. 2 yr old hardware. Poor UI implementation (20% of the screen used for an OK/Cancel button.. WTF!). Expensive
- E71 firmware updates. Total disaster delay/mess up for v3
- N97 mini. Lets make the same crap smaller
- E72. Lets make it faster but keep the tiny *** screen!
- Why no Xenon flash?
- All non-touch screen phones continue to have tiny-screen and resolution even though the competition has caught up.
- lets also screw small time deveopers with the symbian-signed crap. Hand over your money! for a cert

It can all be forgiven with the n900 if its stable and battery keeps with 3G

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It seems the heat on Om got to him and he has another article on his blog about the N900 - Skype comes to the N900.

The funny thing his retraction line at the end where he is defensive and says he doesn't use an iPhone but a Blackberry (which is true - since quite a few months back he gave up on coverage issues with AT&T). :D

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I wouldn't call it a retraction when honestly the people were stating here/otherwise that he was still using an iPhone; which was 100% incorrect.

I'd call that a correction of incorrect assumptions.