Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

Sorry but I didn't have the time to go through the extras-testing instructions. Busy morning and I put my community time on the Brainstorm stuff. Tomorrow, if nobody stepped in before.

Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

X-Fade mentioned at the summit that there was already a project in the works. First I'd heard of it, although perhaps I misunderstood.

It was going to be a store-like application using the downloads API.

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I've got 9.08-11 which is writing and communicating to testers. I think there are five things needed:

1. A full-blown specification of the process which forms the basis of X-Fade's implementation. This is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing (?)
2. A friendly (i.e. low-text, high clarity) document telling people how to test applications in Extras Testing.
3. A simple bullet list of MUST, SHOULD and COULD items for testers. i.e. "MUST have a 48px [font]XB-Maemo-Icon-26[/font]", "SHOULD have a [font]XB-Maemo-DIsplay-Name[/font]", ...
4. A variety of small improvements to the UI of /packages/ (such as emphasising the version number in the QA view), hand-in-hand with #2. This includes a link to #3
5. A friendly document telling maintainers how Extras Testing works. This is some of http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing

Up until now, this is the first time I've seen this collateral list indexed. Without being clear on the audience, the chances of coming up with a good document(s) is slim.

Thoughts?

Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

Not sure, if we´re talking about the same thing. But I think Daniel Wilms is working on a qt app for downloading/installing/rating apps. Not completely sure, though...

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Human society does not work this way. You do not get result if you do not motivate humans.

What does testing a package give them? Not to mention the current voting UI...

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So, karma for rating packages?

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That's simply not true. At least for me it's not known what the state of stuff in extras-devel is supposed to be. I install and try a lot of stuff, but the maemo way of handling bugs found in extras-devel is still a mystery to me.

As a newbie to the community, it would help to do this in a form of a marathon, thus learning the community practices on this.

Plus, it's more fun together than separately.

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100% agree.

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There's currently 0.25 (I believe) points for thumbs up/down and 1 point for a comment

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I'd say this is the garage project for the application: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/appmanager/

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I get what you mean now, but the few seconds to vote as you put it imply hours of testing which I just haven't had the time to do for anything in extras (apart from the essential openssh, and I did post a comment on that) because I was working on things I consider more urgent instead.

Just explaining (as one of the 300 beneficiaries of the loaner program) my position in response to the "not interested in helping at all" comment which kinda rubbed me the wrong way. No hard feelings :-)

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If my phone ships before the testing marathon I would be happy to help. I have been using and developing (C, ASM, PHP) Linux apps since 99.

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Up!

The Extras-testing marathon will be the Saturday according to the poll.
Is it OK for the people? Some objection?

We should agree on the time (difficult I know) if the plan is to meet in an IRC channel. And should encourage the participation of the maximum number of testers (publicize it in different lists, etc.)

The QA checklist is more or less good now, it would be nice to have it finished (or the most finished possible for the testing day), so if you have some doubt or you want contribute something new is the right moment to do it in its related thread.

Developers be preparing your applications and promoting it to Extras-testing!

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I'll blog about that soon. Saturday seems a good day, but I'm also not sure about a good time. We can probably make the marathon last for 4 or 5 hours in order to please the majority of the testers :).

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Why has almost none of the 300 testers posted anything in public in form of youtube videos or blog entries or something? am i blind? im waiting since august for this device and will start to post about everything inside this device and see whats in repositories and will test and post it...

Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

? Do you follow planet maemo ? It's full of N900 news and posts, mostly by Nokia folks or Summit attendees.

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I wonder if maybe a call to developers with packages in extras_devel should also be issued. Just so that they promote their latest versions to testing and not miss this unique window of opportunity to gain thumbs up for extras. Not everybody follows t.m.o. or devlists actively...

Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

I won't be around this weekend as I'm completing a major move. Might still be able to find me on my N900 from wherever I'm at though... so if anything I've worked on gets enough to be promoted, contact me however and I'll make it happen.

Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

There is a thread about the QA guidelines on maemo-developers and suggested changes. I recommend that developers and tester put their 2p in:

http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...er/021797.html

Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

What about 2pm - 7pm (UTC) ?

Better suggestions ?

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The marathon will be held on the next Saturday(Oct 31) from 2pm till 7pm(UTC/GMT) at #maemo-testing@Freenode.

More info here.

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If you are a n900 (and n900 owners only):

If you meet the following criteria:

• Do not have GoogleVoice
• Are in the US (or other supported country if any)
• Are willing to test Dialcentral

I will give you an invite if you PM me with your email address and confirming the above requirement. I have only have 2 to give so spaces are limited. Minimal expectation is you review Dialcentral. Which thumbs up you give is up to you.

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I will send an email to the Summit registered participants + another one to all Maemo Devices.

Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

You really should look around more. We've also participated in twitter and this forum as well. Our comments are all over the internet.

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This is the laziness in me-- but is there any way we could implement a real calendar here, with the ability to send events to email and phones? I am a huge fan of clicking links that automagically update my personal calendars. :D

(Maybe I need to make this a Brainstorm item...)

Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

trying to figure out freenode so i can participate. never used it before.

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here's a shorter URL I use for faster typing in emails, tweets, etc. http://bit.ly/extrastesting

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That's easy :)
You can use one of the available Freenode web interfaces[1] or one of the several clients, I personally use X-Chat (works in Linux and Windows)

Try to join #maemo one of these days :)

[1] - http://webchat.freenode.net/

Re: Extras-testing marathon
 

When you evaluate an application, please note that some packages may depend on other user section packages. In that case, kindly evaluate the other package also, because if the depended package is not getting enough karma, it is not possible to promote the actual application either.

For example, mauku [1] and mauku-widget [2] depend on microfeed [3], but there is only few testers who have voted it, although every one who have used mauku application or mauku widget has also implicitly tested the microfeed package.

[1] http://maemo.org/packages/package_in...ee_armel/mauku

[2] http://maemo.org/packages/package_in...0.9.4-update1/

[3] http://maemo.org/packages/package_in...feed/20091019/

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I think there should be better ways to know these things, and hope it'll change a bit soon. Is there somebody keeping officially an eye on these things that can add a link or modify where necessary?
I'm totally not expert, but if I understand well, somebody voting for a package should automatically know on which other packages it depends and thus vote them too?
Excuse me if I said something wrong or deriving from my inexperience.. :p

And voting can be done only on the webpage of the package right? nothing integrated with the application manager?

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Not at the moment, but there should be some mechanism. I think the next would be the best way to implement it:

I agree. Emphasis on the word "automatically".

Exactly. It makes the process even more cumbersome.

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So, how did it go?

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Easy: send ICS with e-mail. If is clicked, user is presented with dialog to import it to calendar, allowing user to adapt it (for example add your own comments, add it to your preferred group, add alarm, etc).