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This Dell has a phone function too.

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again, YOUR defnition.
i could just as easy say "inacurate touch capture != usability".

it's a matter of opinion!

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It would have been perfect as a Tablet, wait where is the stylus, you mean I cant write on it!!

Mike C

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n810 keyboard is so good that ...i bought n800...

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To all those who are still debating capacitive versus resistive screens - you're wrong.

The ideal screen uses an active digitizer. It is more accurate than a resistive screen ever will be. It does not register false positive touches from your hand. It is ideal for handwriting and annotation (with or without handwriting recognition). The major argument for a hard touch resistive screen is that it is a poor man's active digitizer.

However, the ideal screen will also recognize touch, especially in an always on device like a phone. Either a capacitive screen or a light touch resistive screen can provide this. The capacitive screen is better in that it will only recognize fingers. The resistive screen is better in that it does not only recognize fingers. I'd give it to capacitive by an edge based on the fact that the screen itself can be made more scratch resistant.

Therefore what is needed is a combination of active digitizer and touch which shuts down the touch function when the stylus nears the screen.

For one of the best dual option screens, see Fujitsu's 4410. Now just shrink that down to the size of the N900's screenette and you all can end the argument. Realistically, I wouldn't be surprised to see it on the N910 as the last experiment before the last step N1000.

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I do have the n800 and for most day to day operations you don't need the keyboard. But when you are working with a huge amount of text.. let's say a paragraph, then it soon becomes inadequate. Heck just look at the screens of the Dell using the soft keyboard, the keyboard takes up half the screen. Imagine if you needed to move up and down to edit the text or anything.

@DaveP1

Yes the ideal is something that does both, not just resistive or capacitative. But I think there's only one company that has a working prototype of something that does both (I wanna say Palm) for a mobile device. It'll take a while for that technology to be affordable for inclusion of most devices.

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Oh no...


And also, you're forgetting the "hands with gloves" part.

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Fair enough.

And for the record, I've never had issue with the N800's size, but in the context of a tablet. But I think we've endured enough of that semantics battle here. :D

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Allow me to qualify my remark then: it doesn't need an integrated keyboard IMO.

If I'm doing work that requires "huge amounts of text", then odds are I won't use a tablet or "mobile computer" for that anyway. But different strokes, etc.

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My thought commands, not my thoughts. ;)

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http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/...ebfa10a8d9.jpg

This device is big indeed, but comparing to a slipper? Ahahaha, surely the funniest size comparison I have yet seen in my life...

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I don't use my keyboard on the N810 that much, except when I have to for certain programs. It's a surprisingly bad keyboard, I think, even compared to the keys on my Centro.

I recently made an embarrassing discovery -- I think that the "thumbboard" or whatever it's called on my N810 is really nice for many purposes. I just had never tried it much till lately, so it's a new feature for me :)

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Well, we don't all have a 5-second attention span, Jay...

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Assuming the phone accesses your thought commands in user mode.

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Reasons I'm glad the N900 isn't like this:

1) doesn't have a keyboard

2) too big to be a phone (4.3", maybe 4.5" is about as big as I'd go), and yet too small to be a mid-range (netbook, umpc size tablet, etc.)

3) no dpad (nor arrow keys)

An Android or Maemo tablet at 9" or 10" -- yes, good. Even without a keyboard (as long as it'll take a USB keyboard, and hook up to a KVM). A 4.1"-4.5" Android or Maemo phone (with physical keyboard) -- yes, good.

5" non-phone no-keyboard tablet? No thanks. Not even with Android or Maemo.

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Why is screen-size always measured in inches here. This 'huge' 5" Dell has the exact same resolution as the N900, so you should be able fit the same amount of web page on the screen anyway. Stuff will ofcourse be a fair bit smaller on the N900, and for some people that will mean more zooming on the N900, but even then this Dell won't get that much more content onto the larger screen.
It does make the battery run out faster though (more backlight) but it will probably also make the device a bit cheaper.

Anyway, you should all buy whatever you like, not what I like (unless your planning to send it to me ;))

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Yes, all devices are insufficient until they come with DWIM technology.

(DWIM == "Do What I Mean" ... we used to joke about adding that instruction to our assembly level designs in classes, as an optional "to be implemented in a future release" instruction)

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I might use a tablet or mobile computer for it. Hooked up to an external keyboard at a meeting. Or on a KVM at my desk. But definitely not using a thumb keyboard, nor an onscreen keyboard.

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True, and I've done so. The reality is that use cases don't have to suffer "black and white" handoffs from one platform to another. There are various modes and appendages one could employ to make transitions more gradual. For example, the next step up from your scenario is using video out to an external monitor.

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the dell has the same pixel *count* but a lower resolution (pixels per square unit).

the n800, to me, seems optimal for resolution and size, maybe I'm getting old but I'd happily make it larger and more readable, the dell looks as if it has potential if android can be bypassed to run "on the metal"

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That's why I mention a KVM. I want to be able to use my devices with keyboard, possibly mouse, and monitor. Or, for a media playing device, attach it to my TV to play movies and such.

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Just wait till your phone starts thinking back and gets root. :eek:

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Crap. Everyone, please yell out loud the following command to lock the root thought account.

$sudo passwd -l root

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Sorry but thats an oxy*****. Usable and on-screen are two things that are mutually exclusive

By the way discovered a cool thing about the n900 today using the emulator. If you start typing on the keyboard at the main desktop - it looks up the contact with those letters.

Ie I type bil - would look up Bill Jones etc

Probably everyone already knew that - but I didnt

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Pure opinion, one many don't share.

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I can hit 40-60 wpm on the N800 finger keyboard without trouble.

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the dell mini5/streak is coming to the UK - hooray!!
it's coming exclusively via O2 - booo!!
available through both O2 and carephonewarehouse - hooray!!
no indication of pricing yet - booo!!

http://mediacentre.o2.co.uk/Home-Pag...on-O2-29e.aspx
== Full Dell Streak specifications: ==
* Operating system: Google Android
* Processor: 1GHZ Qualcomm Snapdragon
* 3G, Wi-Fi & Bluetooth
* 5MP autofocus camera with dual LED flash.
* Expandable memory via Micro SD cards, up to 32GB capacity
* 5 inch touch screen

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let's port meego on that =)

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they should've used a Nokia slipper :P

http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2009/...ia_slipper.jpg

Also, I like keys (and I think many of the people who got the N900 do), so that thing isn't what the N900 should've been

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5 inch screen and 1ghz processor with 1300mah battery

good luck with that

oh yeah, and it is releasing with android 2.0, hah, isn't that like nokia releasing a n910 that can only run pr1.1? :)

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From my short exposure to a Streak: Its pretty awkward to hold in one hand and looks ridiculous next to someone's head.

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two things:

1) people debating screen technology may find this interesting: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/N...to-156-inches/

2) my biggest issue with the N900 was that it was a phone. Even if i didnt need to use that part, it still adds to cost and so made the N900 a bit more expensive then i could handle. On that note, there was a leak about some dell plans a while back, and it showed a potential option for a non-phone streak. Fingers crossed, especially as the requirements for google android 2.1 compatibility shows phone to be optional. This unlike 1.6 where it was required.

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I think much depends your own personal use scenario. The mobile phone aspect of the iPhone justified the purchase of my 3GS in terms of cost. However the making and receiving of actual phone calls represents the least usage that it gets. Call me Norman No Mates I guess!

I spend much more time on Web browsing, emailing, maps, gps, music player for ogg flac etc., video player, umpteen databases, todos, reference source for medical information, dictionaries, ebooks, shopping trolley, assorted note taking, and so on and so on.

Nearly all of which would benefit greatly from a larger 5” screen. So for me, since it is also a mobile phone, it would be worth the extra bulk as an everyday carry. So in that sense I agree with the OP.

Although it is more what I had hoped that the N800 would evolve into rather than what the N900 could be. But then the appeal of the n900 has completely passed me by.

At the best of times, I have no interest in physical keyboards and all the more so now that I have Shapewriter on the iPhone.

All of which is just my opinion based on my experience but each to his own.

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Is the streak running android 1.6 at the moment?

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thing is, i have a perfectly fine featurephone, and i would much rather use it for any data connectivity needed outside of wifi range. This as keeping either a dual sim, or a second contract becomes expensive in the long run.

Also, i can bring the featurephone anywhere, while i may leave the tablet at home if i feel it not worth the risk.

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i made a mock up of the streak.. printed off screenshot stuck to 3 pieces of cut out corrigated cardboard to see how the size was..
it's thin.. very thin.. and big.. very big.. even compared to big things like the hd2
it's also easily pocketable if u only wear big baggy jeans.. but in a suit type thing.. i think it'll be a no go..
As far as onscreen keyboards.. you do get used to them.. I'm ok on my 5530, and that's pretty tiny.
My biggest problem with it is still android. i don't see why manufacturers insist on all this customisation. surely a stock implementation that can be updated as soon as a new version is available is by far the prefered option?

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Don't think it is fake... even tho the guy holding it has 11 fingers!!! :eek:
5 on left hand 6 on the right... how cool is that.

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I have a fujitsu U820/U2010 which has a similar sized screen but is very chunky; however, if I could detach the screen it'd be a perfect tablet for me. shame that rollup or foldable screens have eluded us.

The screen is ultra hi-res (1200x800) - so much so that I had to tweak screen fonts etc to make things easy to read! 1024x600 in a 5" screen is plenty.

I don't actually make many voice calls and I'd be happy to use a wired or better a bluetooth headset most of the time; when I used my n800 for voip it was fine to use speakerphone or just a headphone and its built-in mic. I suspect if I had the Streak I would get a £20 almost disposable 2G-only nokia phone (these often have excellent battery life) for voice calls and treat the phone part of the streak as a data device and emergency-only voice calls.

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Back to more and more devices in my pocket though with that plan. The reason I like my N900 and the whole concept is integration, only 1 small device for music, phone and quick internet access as opposed to a phone and iPod device and a netbook or MID.