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The other good thing about the delay is that more developers can push their stuff into Extras.

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Unfortunately, delays usually mean a much more buggy system. Nobody likes delays, it impacts revenue, sales people lose commissions and partners get grumpy. Therefore, corner cutting is always preferred over delays if only to not alarm the upper management. Repeated delays can only mean that all corners have been cut and they still can't get the thing to pass a much reduced testing cycle.

Not looking good.

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@archanfel - I have been using the N900 pre-preproduction device for almost 2 weeks now. It is not buggy. It has a few bugs in it, which I hope are fixed. As well, some features are not active due to further refinement (e.g. video calls). Sure it is taking longer than expected - but wait to you see Maemo 5 - you will understand why. It is a quantum leap over OS2008, and the wait will be worth it, IMHO.

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Drink !

I wish we could get some feedback how many people ACTUALLY used their devices in portrait mode. We all heard the stories of people's theories why they want portrait mode. I, however, as an independent developer, would like to see the hard cold stats data, not the thought-up use-cases, anecdotal evidence and educated guesses :)

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Sorry to quote only this part of your answer.
I am not fond of Portrait mode at all, but some very vocal community members requested it and it'll happen (hopefully one can disable it on per application basis).

But does your statement means only the Browser and Phone (that is already "portraited") will have portrait by Xmas 2009 ?

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I hate this news, compared with iphone , I can't see any hope from NOKIA!

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@anidel, right, only Browser and Phone. I dont think that overall portrait mode will be available before Maemo 6. I prefer using this device in landscape, as it was ment to be used as mobile computer...

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I guess , maybe some NOKIA's employee in this forum will write some words to explain or do other things that benefit NOKIA. but I am really disappointed!!:mad:

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Why, what is broken with it?

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Makes sense!

300 alpha and beta units to weed out the "final" bugs. I hope one of those last minute issues is the ability to use the device to browse and text in portrait mode. I would expect more than normal drops of this device without this (for smartphone vets).

Nokia did a survey about portrait and was top concern at 12%. Considering that the survey allowed multiple entries when posting, this suggests the actual ranking would be over 80% if you could only pick one item instead.

Still seems odd how they missed this during R&D testing- unless the testers were non-smart phone using tablet users.

This device could gain the same legend as the Wii-mote and TV's getting busted. In this case, people trying to use the phone in landscape with one hand and dropping the N900. Better have big meaty paws! ;) Or a rubber case! That might not be such a bad idea...... N900's bounce! :eek:

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As a happy preproduction device user I have not found any real need for portrait mode but I can see some use cases for web browser and media player. And as we currently know it's already coming for browser so I'm also pretty sure that at some point we can see it also in media player.

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Now I think I'm going to cancel my order and wait until the Qi Nanonote gets upgraded from 32 MB to 64 MB of RAM at some unspecified date next year. ;)

Seriously, Nokia may be right to be cautious here, but the contrast with Apple couldn't be more stark. Apple announces release dates and has people lining up outside of Apple stores days in advance. I'm not saying that Nokia would get a similar response, but following through on an announced release date does wonders for consumer morale.

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Well. That's about the only good thing I can see so far :)

But yeah, while I could live with a device which has bugs (hey, at least I can report them), for the "masses" a more bug free device is better.

But hurry up! My n800 is broken and my phone's battery wants to be replaced!

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Cheers!

Especially as I have an iPod touch at the moment with which I can play around - and that is missing landscape mode in many situations where I don't want portrait mode (or it does something different in landscape than in portrait mode).

There are at least two brainstorms about portrait mode, none of them seems to generate real traction much less are there sane suggestions on how some problematic areas could work.

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Which news? That the phone is delayed? But what does that have to do with the iphone? And where is landscape mode in the iphone? Yes, it is there on a *per application basis* as portrait mode is available on the n900 on a *per application basis*

The home screen of the ipod touch does *not* go into landscape mode when you rotate the device.

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It is an issue of therblig motion and operational failure (fancy talk for people dropping a device). From a therblig standpoint, landscape is counter-intuitive for one hand operation and less balance.

If you try the device with one hand while texting or other operations that you do not want the KB open and would rather use the screen, it is a very big issue and will hurt the N900- IF they are also targeting smart phones users.

If Nokia is only targeting devs and tablet users, no harm no foul. I think that due to their pricing (device seems lower cost for what you get), they are targeting more than those folks.

They want smart phone users, but do not yet have the basic functions most smart phoners use all the time.

I expect Nokia to correct this issue quickly.

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Some words about what?

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I don't get why people are angry about the delay.

I am sure Apple's iPhone was internally delayed several times.

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Yes. But that does not build up that much anticipation. If you don't know that a device will be shipping soon, you won't care about that. But when you are told that the phone will ship in October and see delivery dates change in the shop, I can understand that people get agitated.

The release now is one month behind what the Nokia Shop stated as the release date at the beginning of September.

And yes, I too want that phone. Rather sooner than later. But I can wait it out.

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Yep! Screen was a big issue. My best friend works in upper levels of Corning glass and they supply the glass for the iPhone. Their delays were more due to hardware (such as balancing glass toughness versus cost).

iPhone glass still cracks a lot, but is actually a very tough glass (tough for glass of course).

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Must be a pretty serious issue to cause a delay, my guess would be an issue with the radio frequencies (dropped calls, draining battery on some poor networks) as this is the only thing Nokia would not be able to test without handing out 300 units worldwide. Or could be a hardware issue (loose cable, disk fault etc)

Delays are usually taken very seriously due to damage to reputation, lost sales, idle production plants etc. so it certainly wouldn't be delayed just to add portrait or MMS.

I'm wondering if its safer to cancel the pre-order and wait for the second batch incase the first batch have some hardware issues (infamous first batch issues: wobbly slider of n95, scratch lens of n97, poor reception of E71 when holding the bottom)

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anidel, do you already have a copy of this phone? The only way you'd understand why people are disappointed at Nokia's constant change of release that is if you don't already have one. Nokia needs to set their window of modification, if you will, not so closed to the announced release date. That is if Nokia feels it will take them roughly two weeks to do any adjustment to the device, if necessary, they should account that to the "release date". Not on the day or a week before the release date and they announce the release date will be delayed. Nokia's marketing departments needs some reshuffle else they risk loosing customers.

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Actually Nokia stated October. So it's only a few weeks long delay :)

I know what you mean, but no one ever promised anything.
I am sure that the delay was for a very good (or some very good) reasons.

Let's just wait, it'll be here soon.

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I understand the anticipation, and the feeling of having a device NOW rather than later.

But I don't understand why people are "angry" :)

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And btw, may be the issue with the 3 UK SIM card may be at the base of this delay.

No company will ever want to ship a device that doesn't work with some SIM cards.

Just guessing.

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I never see adults throw fits when they don't get what they want. Only children do that.

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Well, I can speak only from my own point of view but I don't want to use on-screen keyboard to write SMS when device has full qwerty available. If the situation is that I have only one had available I would just answer that SMS later or take phone in my hand and make a regular phone call.

Web sites are also most of the time developed for landscape usage so I don't need portrait mode there neither. This device is obviously designed around landscape usage and IMO it does very good job there. If device wouldn't have hardware keys then situation might be totally different.

People coming from devices which are used mostly on portrait mode might need some adaptation time with N900. But I'm quite sure that most of them will be happy with the device.

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For those who think threatening to cancel your pre-order is going to speed Nokia up in their release, think again. What you are actually doing is bumping all the other pre-orders up on the list, as it were -- more available hardware, to be sent out to everyone else.

I would assume the issues are all software, as the loaner units in the field seem to be working fine (or I am sure we would hear about it, even from proponents of the product -- sometimes the harshest critics), they will get the software update on their units as the final product it rolled out.

Enjoy the wait. Makes for a better story when you get the device. Embrace the notion that Nokia cares enough to hold back the N900 until they make it as robust as they can at release time.

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hi,i have used an e90 for a few years now,and have never wanted portrait mode except for the one on the front sreen to make phone calls,I have tried the iphone quite a few times and find the way screen changes when you move annoying.i hope the changes to the n900 do inclube an off button for portrait mode so we can choose, The delay is difficult but i am sure we will get a better n900 from all the feed back from the loan devices which has got to be to are advantage

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Aren't adults just kids with money? ;-)

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Nokia did promised on nokiausa website and even in their press release.. They gone ship at the end of October

Better they release soon or they might have many upset customers who are ready to switch for htc hd2 or for some other..

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I gotta wait another 10-20 days for my phone! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT.

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Be serious :)

I have finally manged to order one from somewhere within the last 5 mins :D and I have no intention of switching to something else. Most people are getting an n900 because it offers things that no other mobile does at the moment.
Dont get me wrong, Im fuming at the delay - I want my phone now, as my samsung i780 is on its last legs, but I wont switch to another model to get an inferior phone quicker.
The middle of novenmber just cant come quick enough for me...

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Yep and imagine how awesome it will be if they KEEP delaying it - I mean if they push it back to say Jan 2010 it will be even better. Then all they have to do is push that back until March 2010 to get a better device.

I dont so much mind the delay until Mid Nov, but what really pisses me off is the complete lack of communication and updates to the Nokia site. For farks sake how hard is it to update a webpage.

For those who care the goddamn Nokia USA page is STILL showing End of October.

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It kinda beats the point of even having a release date if your going to delay it 2 or 3 times...This last delay i hope is not because of something serious. I don't want a buggy phone. I don't mind it if i'll get a working phone with very little to no bugs, but if i get a mobile computer that has already been delayed 2 or 3 times and still has bugs, that would be a big problem....

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Is that really an official Nokia announcement, or information from some thread/webnews/webstore? I ordered mine in day one (2nd septemper), and even then the release date was "Late october (possibily in week 44-45) in selected markets".

And now it is week 43.

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That's why they never announce specific release dates.

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Portrait modes, there have been several proposals filed at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ and we have been as clear as possible reflecting the status of current plans. Check them.

Brainstorm proposals and not +400 posts threads are the right context to propose, vote and discuss features, implementations and target milestones.

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So the DROID will probably ship before the N900.

Nokia messes up in the US all over again. If the DROID is released in Europe etc at the same time then I'll consider switching. Nokia is such a joke these days

Dont take my word for it, read the article below

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ia-n97-updates

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Hey, but you feel fine :)