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The N97 is in no way comparable. Much lower res screen and lower performance processor no?

Mike C

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Nope. I guess it's the A8 Cortex system instead of the ARM11. IIRC, it's bigger

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gotta say sorry for not reading the entire thread.

just wanted to add that the thickness of this device makes it into a real nerd-device.

i'd rather not see the camera and kickstand and see it drop 5-8mm in FATNESS if that would be possible. although on the other hand i have to say that i did see a very nice video captured by the n900. just hope it can record in mpeg not 3gp the converting shouldnt be a users problem in my oppinion.

i'm buying it myself nonetheless just my 2 cents.

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Funny, none of the normally people I've shown it to has complained about the thickness.

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Thats one of these then

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...highlight=nerd

The thread was originally how come the Droid is so much thinner, and the reason is its an apple and the N900 is an orange if you see what I mean

Mike C

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Is it only nerds who want decent cameras? What do nerds have to photograph?

I know the world is obsessed with ultra-slim in women, but when it cat-walk anorexic become the essential for phones?

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I know this may not necessarily be the case here but and i cant remember the exact example but one of the proto engine management systems i used to work with was recalled and redesigned and it came back bigger.

They said that it grew because although the all of the components were the same, the board was redesigned to allow for a more logical signal flow and this actually improved the performance of the device.

This may be completely irrelivent but it this example just came to mind when i read this thread. Only speculating but perhaps something simular is being implamented to maybe reduce noise between components and increase efficency.

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@mikec

hmm i don't see what you mean.

for the record, i definetly fit into the nerd category.

intelligence is there, but i stick it all in my obsession, which is a dead-ending psychological spiral of social ineptitude.
so that must mean that i definetly am a nerd.


@revdkathy

when THE moment is there, being able to capture it. (the= undefined)

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Exactly. I would miss the stylus. It´s good to have it included, despite the fact the screen is very sensitive. If it were thicker, then maybe it would make a difference, but not when it is long and thin.

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As far as what's in the N900 and what isn't -- as opposed to whether a smaller package could have been engineered to contain the same features at equal quality -- this is really the same discussion as the many we had pre-announcement of the N900. Some people want to do away with the stylus, some want more battery capacity, I would gladly dump the camera and speakers to make a smaller and lighter package, many of us wish Nokia had used a 4.1"+ screen, etc.

Hopefully, in the future, there will be more concurrent Maemo devices and we'll each get variations closer to what we want.

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The extra thickness of the N900 is in the bottom part of the slide that has the keyboard in it. The top parts with the screens are the same thickness on the N97 and N900.

Is the higher performance processor so much bigger to account for a 20% volume difference from the N97? Even though the N97 has a larger battery and a more complex sliding mechanism? There are things that are bigger in the N97 too. To me it just doesn't add up to accounting for a 20% volume difference on the two devices.

It seems to me like people have just decided that the N900 could not possibly have been otherwise. Nokia in its divine and infallible wisdom made the only design they could have possibly made, with the given components, and all things are prefect, because it is the best of all possible worlds.

Don't get me wrong either. I like the N900. I don't care about the thickness as far as handling the device goes. It seems more like a concern for pocketability, since this is after all supposed to be a phone. But I am curious why it's so thick, when other Nokia devices with extremely similar components and some larger components are considerably smaller and thinner. All of the reasons people have offered so far are pretty easy to discount.

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Unfortunately, this topic is not going to go anywhere on this forum. The fanboy's don't even want to admit that the N900 could be considered 'thick' lol.

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Such an easy way to quickly dismiss an opposing argument. Attitudes like this are why discussions can't go anywhere. :)

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If the stylus was the one thing that kept a bigger battery out of the N900, I'm betting it would have been sacrificed.

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yes. replaced by a toothpick. like a swiss army knife.

what is the physical keyboard wasnt mechanic but electronic. it couldve been thinner.

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Funnily enough I do not own an N900 yet so cannot possibly comment if its thick or not. You cannot tell just from photos and information about the dimensions how it ACTUALLY feels in your hands/pocket.

What a horrible idea though.

One of my big complaints about the Xperia X1 was problems with the mechanical keyboard not having enough tactile feedback and when it did, the buttons did not always register so it was misleading. I prefer my keys to have a definite click so you know it registered your key press, you can type quicker then.

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n900 =/= thick (to me at least)

Nintendo DS = thick

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As long as the battery life is better than my Palm Pre (Sprint) I will be satisfied.

I was not going to jump on the N900 because of the lack of 3G coverage where I live. However, with the recent plan changes/price drops at T-Mobile, I can live without 3G at home because I use Wifi there.

Cant wait to get my hands on my N900. It has been a horrible experience with the Palm Pre as I came fro the iPhone before that. Not saying the iPhone is the best, but it kills the Pre in all areas. I have also been very depressed with Palms upgrades, build quality and support.

I will miss the Pre's universal search capability. Does Nokia/Maemo have plans to incorporate this into the N900?

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Sorry, I just have to disagree. I just switched from a 30 day trial of the Pre to the iPhone, and I really, really miss the Pre.

Multitasking alone makes it worlds above the iPhone to me. I also miss the physical keyboard, and better mail handling. I had zero issue with build quality or support. I want to try the N900, but if I don't like it, it's back to the Pre for me. The iPhone is definitely being returned.

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I have had FIVE Pre's , three of them died because the headphone jack failed and locked it into speakerphone mode. One of them just up and died. Seriously poor quality for these days. I do like the Pre's form factor, but the battery life is horrid.

I also find the gestures absolutely awesome. Multitasking is great, but the Pre has lag issues that are well documented. If they would just use the damn hardware thats inside the phone (GPU), it would help offload tasks and free up the CPU to do other things.

Honestly, while the iPhone doesn't multitask like the Pre, about the only way the Pre uses multitasking well is when you use Pandora and Nav at the same time. Even then, the Pre lags beyond acceptable levels when this is done.

The browser does allow you to have multiple cards up at the same time, but Safari has multiple pages as well. Cards are nice, but you still have to switch between them. And don't get me started on the Calendar.. absolutely unacceptable lag.

Palms App store will remain a joke until they refine the SDK. Hopefully, with the recent acquisition of a former AMD graphics engineer, the SDK will be enhanced in about 6-12 months.

I wanted to believe in Palm, but it seems they are settling in the mass market arena, extremely disappointing those of us thinking they would push the envelope.

IDK, iPhone is a great device because of its simplistic design. However Apple is too controlling with the device and the OS is showing its age.

The Pre has/had serious potential, (Form Factor, Cards). Palm, with its lack of attention to WebOS, is doing everything to kill interest in the platform. Sure this is not intentional, but its giving the other guys time to 1up them before they get it right.

Nokia is new to me. I have never owned one of their phones, but I seriously look forward to my N900.

Please don't take this as an attack, but after almost five months with the Pre, I know the good, bad and ugly.

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Thick is relative.

I have not yet heard any evidence based reasoning on the implication that Nokia did NOT do as good a job as they could have done, other than comparisons with other devices that seem to have similar capability, which on closer inspection are not similar at all.

Don't get me wrong, I would love the N900 to be more pocketable. But NOT if its at the expense of the great features it has, features where YMMV.

Mike C

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I feel no one has complained about the size yet because it's hard to get a real feel without holding the real thing. Besides, videos dont give a good idea of the true thickness of the device. 19mm is always 2 cm, which is pretty damn thick.

I'm just a bit worried if the device is going to come off looking awkward because of the thickness. I sort of want this phone to become my everyday device too, but I'm afraid the device will bulge out a lot from my work pants or evening go-out jeans.

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If you want to put this into perspective.

N95 8gb is 99x55x21mm
N900 is 110x59.8x18(19.55)mm
My Wallet is 110x85x30mm:D

Both the N95 and Wallet have been in my jeans for a number of years.

Mike C

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it is funny how "one eyed" people can get when they are a "fan" of something.

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Could not resist:
Mike you must only have HARD CASH, as you compare a leather wallet to a phone :)

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I also had the n95 in my pocket for a year, it was just bearable. The n900 (180g) is also 50% heavier than the n95 (120g) which makes a big difference too. I also have an E71 and then realized just how thick the n95 really was.

I have held the n900 in the store, in the year 2009 it is thick and the weight doesn't help. I'm willing to put up with the thickness because of the features but I'm sure many other people will not.

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McChicken does the bulge my wallet makes, make me more attractive:D

by the way how on earth did you choose a screen name like Mc Chicken .....or should I not ask?:)

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I'm sure they would also love that neat Nokia 900 phone:
http://www.dialaphone.co.uk/blog/wp-...man_lowres.jpg ;-)

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I'm sure we all want it smaller and lighter, but then my ipod, my camera, my E71, my tomtom and all the accompanying cables and chargers will all get left out of the bag/coat/belt clip when the N900 arrives. So for me the width seems small YMMV.

Mike C

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I think the first few months you'll still be carrying some of those extra items:
- camera. Need for decent night/flash shots
- tomtom. OVI maps is no where near capable. Read this experience from a Maemo developer

http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2009/10...we-can-do.html

- might need to carry an extra battery. Hard to say at the moment

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Surely the extra weight actually makes your hands more stable when taking photos!

Generally I find the lighter something is the easier it is for you to drop it. Also as I said before, I hate thin devices as they also are easier to drop whereas 2cm is a decent amount to grip on especially as its going to be half that when they keyboard is slid out.

Granted the heavier something is the more likely it will get damaged when dropping it, but if it makes you less likely to drop it in the first place I would argue it all works out in the end.

I admit though, I could have lived with a slightly larger device to fit a 4.2" screen in it in which case it probably would have been slightly thinner too. But I managed with my HTC Wizard which was 108 x 58 x 24 mm and most of the awkwardness about that was not its size, it was too round and possibly a tiny bit too thick. Although I have to admit I am stunned at the thought the N900 is HEAVIER than that device as I considered that a brick.

There are other positives about a big heavy device though. I never had to double check my pocket to be sure I hadn't left it somewhere. There was also no risk of it falling out of my pocket when cycling due to the weight and size. I hate super light devices as there is always that few seconds of panic when I think its fallen out until I check and realise its still there. Also the vibration should be more noticeable, I often miss calls due to not hearing or feeling the device ringing which I suspect will not be an issue with the N900 as the size allows both louder ringing and more noticeable vibration.

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Am i the only one who, upon first seeing the n900 held in someone's hand (alas, no toy for me yet!) thought: "now how the heck am i going to handle something that small?"
Yes, miniaturization is nice, but our (at least my) hands can't get any smaller. Until shrinking/unshrinking technology appears, i'll be glad to compromise pocket room for the "i'm really holding something" feeling

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OK you've worn me out, I've canceled my N900 Pre-Order:D

Mike C

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Maybe that's true for a lot of people, but my N810 is already 20mm thick (I have the Mugen extended battery in it), and I have no problem EDCing it -- the thickness is a complete non-issue. Granted, the N900 will be even thicker if/when they come out with an extended battery for it, but I know the stock thickness is a non-issue for me.

Meh. If the N900's camera is as good as it's cracked up to be, I certainly will ditch my camera. (Well, I actually won't replace the camera I broke months ago, but didn't replace while I was unemployed.) A good 18650 flashlight is smaller than any decent camera, and with a decent diffuser, should have no trouble on anything but action shots -- which always sucked at even with flash. Besides, being practical-minded, I EDC 2-5 flashlights on my person with or without the camera, and if I'm out at night, I have a flashlight or spotlight not farther than my bike or truck, respectively, either of which is brighter than most people have ever seen.

Well, when I get my N900, I aim to use Maemo Mapper anyway -- it already suits my needs perfectly, except for being a bit CPU heavy on the N8x0. OTOH, the screen size could be an issue unless I can rig up a steering wheel mount bracket on my truck (maybe swap my handlebar mount between bicycle and truck); dash-mounted in a full-size pickup is the one case where the smaller size could be an obstacle.

Not hard, for me. Unless Mugen has an upgrade available at launch, , I'll definitely need one. Not necessarily because it would run out, but because I can't stand letting it be more than 2/3 empty. ;)

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Have you seen any thumb-friendly websites recently? Really a stylus is a must for any device that wants a decent web experience. Its worth 15min. of battery life.

Though personally I don't end up using it much, but use my fingernails when I want precision. My grandpa would actually keep a point on one of his fingernails when he used his Palm. But you can't expect everyone to do this. :D

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Here's a review that just came out that discusses the thickness a little (see the feedback comments also)

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...00-review.html

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Good link.

I think the points on size and weight are valid. One of the complaints the Droid is getting is that it is heavy and that is at 169g. The N900 is 181g.

Palm 755p 160g or 5.6oz
Droid 169g or 6.0oz
N900 181g or 6.4oz
iPhone 135g or 4.8oz

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I guess it's what people are use too >.>

Nintendo DS (makes all other hardware look like a joke portable wise
# Weight: 300 grams (9.7 oz).
# Physical dimensions: 148.7 mm x 84.7 mm x 28.9 mm (5.85 in x 3.33 in x 1.13 in).

And then there's the original Gameboy.. >.>

Now if I was holding it up to my ear as a phone I would be concerned with its weight. But otherwise it doesn't bother me so I can't imagine the n900 would. Though we'll see if holding it up to your ear for say 30 minutes makes your arm tired.

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Yes because when engineers look at designing a device the first thing they do is design it around the stylus. Seriously man? I have yet to see a posting from you that isnt in some way bagging the n900 - WTF are you still doing here?

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I'm waiting for my pre-order like everyone else. And when I get it, I'll write a few free apps for it. I like the device, but I'm no fanboy and will point out negatives.

What are you doing here?