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wmarone 2009-11-09 20:57
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370226)
Yes ! Generally we think similiary. They're not so "open source friendly" like they're say. What's what this thread is about...

And we differ in one thing: during 10 years they showed, that they're not committed to openness.
Except that's not at all what he said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967
I trust them when they say they're serious about being as open as they can. I trust them when they say they would like to be even more open and hope that they can be in the future. And I trust them when they say they're committed to openness.
And in direct opposition to what you said, Nokia bought Symbian and is slowly releasing it under an open source license, bought Trolltech and didn't close it, and have slowly opened more and more of Maemo as a whole.

I don't get what you're on about.

marcinw 2009-11-09 21:07
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 370235)
Except that's not at all what he said: And in direct opposition to what you said, Nokia bought Symbian and is slowly releasing it under an open source license, bought Trolltech and didn't close it, and have slowly opened more and more of Maemo as a whole. I don't get what you're on about.
They're making, what they have. Open-source is sexy, they're making some steps into it. Only very, very small and required according to situation. But nothing more.

And please note, that Symbian has got lost freshness (it's not only my opinion and it's cited in many good pages). It's easy to open something, what people are not interested so much about.

Generally: I don't buy things written by some people (that Nokia is so good and opened now). And it's about it. Up to this moment nobody proved, that it's differently...

range 2009-11-09 21:11
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370226)
Yes ! Generally we think similiary. They're not so "open source friendly" like they're say. What's what this thread is about...

And we differ in one thing: during 10 years they showed, that they're not committed to openness.
That is exactly *NOT* what he said.

range 2009-11-09 21:15
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370249)
Generally: I don't buy things written by some people (that Nokia is so good and opened now). And it's about it. Up to this moment nobody proved, that it's differently...
So putting Qt completely under the LGPL, opensourcing Symbian, offering one of the most open phones with the N900, working on a completely open telephony stack with Intel (ofono) makes them not understanding open source? That makes them not supporting open source?

Then could you please tell us what they would have to do in your eyes to be accepted by you as a company supporting open source? Because you somehow completely failed to do so while you were whining.

wmarone 2009-11-09 21:15
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370249)
Open-source is sexy, they're making some steps into it. Only very, very small and required according to situation. But nothing more.
What exactly are you expecting of them, now that nearly the entire stack save a few bits and pieces are open?

mikec 2009-11-09 21:16
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370199)
There are many people registered and many people, who are writing a lot of posts. But we can see also, that in the time when the is lack of N900s and some developers are asking for them, some people with discounts are saying - we will maybe use our coupons, maybe not... Is this real community ? Sorry, I don't buy it.
Just have a look at the tasty stuff being cooked at

http://maemo.org/packages/repository/

Mike C

Ignacius 2009-11-09 21:18
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370226)
Yes ! Generally we think similiary. They're not so "open source friendly" like they're say. What's what this thread is about...

And we differ in one thing: during 10 years they showed, that they're not committed to openness.
Maybe we both have different visions of what openness means, but to my view, Nokia is really commited to it. They have been founding development of some open technologies I'm using on my computer right now such as gstreamer, telepahty or the Linux kernel, but they do it mainly through another companies like collabora. Now, they have buy Trolltech and are pushing Qt. I think we're never going to know exactly how much work is doing Nokia on some open source projects, but what I have for sure is that buying those devices is helping to have a much better open source ecosystem.

marcinw 2009-11-09 21:27
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by range (Post 370265)
Then could you please tell us what they would have to do in your eyes to be accepted by you as a company supporting open source? Because you somehow completely failed to do so while you were whining.
At least 2 things:

1. treat N900 and Maemo a little bit more seriously. Device should have ALL functionality available in "closed" phones created with at least the same quality OR there be CLEAR info, when this functionality will be released (year, two ?). It would be excellent too, when they will have plans to make Maemo third main line too (but not in the most expensive devices only !).

2. give a real support for users of all their phones for people working for example with Linux. Library or something like this. Able to get/set calendar, pbk, notes and few other details. Or give help with this for Open Source projects.

danramos 2009-11-09 21:33
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
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Originally Posted by Ignacius (Post 370271)
Maybe we both have different visions of what openness means, but to my view, Nokia is really commited to it. They have been founding development of some open technologies I'm using on my computer right now such as gstreamer, telepahty or the Linux kernel, but they do it mainly through another companies like collabora. Now, they have buy Trolltech and are pushing Qt. I think we're never going to know exactly how much work is doing Nokia on some open source projects, but what I have for sure is that buying those devices is helping to have a much better open source ecosystem.
Settle down, there, hippie.

I'm about as cynical as they come and I generally agree with the notion that they're doing a "decent" job of being open compared to most manufacturers but I don't feel like a lot of that credit goes so much to Nokia than perhaps to the chipset manufacturers and others. Otherwise, why would Nokia continue to make their own applications running on these tablets completely closed? Mind you--I've been surprised by some of the corrections I've gotten from the Fremantle openness compared to the closed-minded source code of the N800 series.. but it doesn't help me, given I'll probably be stuck with the N800 series for a while until something else without a cellular radio comes along--IF it comes along. In the meantime, I still feel jailed by the closed-minded code and I can understand what I think MIGHT be the OP's frustration. (Although, honestly, I think he's going over the top and much more cynical than I am. Despite what people might expect, I'm delighted each time I'm proven wrong.)

range 2009-11-09 21:35
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370286)
At least 2 things:

1. treat N900 and Maemo a little bit more seriously. Device should have ALL functionality available in "closed" phones created with at least the same quality OR there be CLEAR info, when this functionality will be released (year, two ?). It would be excellent too, when they will have plans to make Maemo third main line too (but not in the most expensive devices only !).
Maybe you can apply for a pony later.

I don't really see what that has to do with openness or Nokia not being open source friendly.

Quote:
2. give a real support for users of all their phones for people working for example with Linux. Library or something like this. Able to get/set calendar, pbk, notes and few other details. Or give help with this for Open Source projects.
I can understand that you are miffed, because Nokia didn't support your project(s) - that still doesn't explain the hostility you show in this thread.

marcinw 2009-11-09 21:41
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by range (Post 370296)
Maybe you can apply for a pony later.
I don't really see what that has to do with openness or Nokia not being open source friendly.
A lot. When open source device is treat worse than close source device, than sorry... It's possible to have technical/human/time resources limits, but solution is simple - writing, that thing "X" will be available later. No excuse here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by range (Post 370296)
I can understand that you are miffed, because Nokia didn't support your project(s) - that still doesn't explain the hostility you show in this thread.
Not only mine... If you think, that something was wrong in my words, please show it. I say generally only, that Nokia is not taking care enough about own customers once again and they're making similar actions like in the past.

wmarone 2009-11-09 21:53
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370307)
A lot. When open source device is treat worse than close source device, than sorry... It's possible to have technical/human/time resources limits, but solution is simple - writing, that thing "X" will be available later. No excuse here.
I don't get your point. I believe that for things like portrait mode support (in some applications) and MMS support, they -would- be coming later. I don't see how the N900 is being treated worse than a closed device.

Quote:
Not only mine... If you think, that something was wrong in my words, please show it. I say generally only, that Nokia is not taking care enough about own customers once again.
Please clarify how this is the case.

myrjola 2009-11-09 21:57
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Marcinw, if you are honest and do really appreciate Open Source projects, then stop whining and trolling on this community board.

We got your message already.

Alex Atkin UK 2009-11-09 22:05
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370307)
A lot. When open source device is treat worse than close source device, than sorry... It's possible to have technical/human/time resources limits, but solution is simple - writing, that thing "X" will be available later. No excuse here.
So what you are saying is to support open source they must write ALL their own code? Because they couldn't just say "MMS will be supported on X date" if their own developers are not the ones working on that support. The nature of open source is that a lot of people are doing it for free, so you cannot pressure them into getting MMS support finished and Nokia staff are busy fixing the core functionality.

They also made it pretty clear the N900 is not meant to be the perfect phone, its a transitional device. Its basically a case of "get something to market now to promote interest". The whole idea being that by Maemo 6 things will be more complete. That to me is actually a pain for the end user for a very open source way of doing it, rather than doing everything behind closed doors.

If anything my personal biggest complaint is that Ovi Maps is not as complete as the version on cheaper Symbian devices, but that in fact seems to be caused by focusing more on open source than commercial support.

marcinw 2009-11-09 22:05
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 370324)
I don't get your point. I believe that for things like portrait mode support (in some applications) and MMS support, they -would- be coming later. I don't see how the N900 is being treated worse than a closed device.
Sorry, but on all Nokia pages there is still info, that supported messaging is "IM, SMS" (no MMS). There is no FM Radio too (of course, some of you can say, that's unofficial, etc. etc., but....)

Quote:
Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 370324)
Please clarify how this is the case.
You buy device X and you want to sync it from your Linux. Sorry. You buy your N900 and want to use functions available in your 7 years old Nokia. Sorry. These are maybe details, but...

Thor 2009-11-09 22:20
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370307)
When open source device is treat worse than close source device, than sorry...
So if Maemo/Nokia are not as open as you like, who are? Apple? Windows Mobile? Android?

Some things will stay closed and proprietary... Nokia are not a charity, and what would stop other phone companies from ripping off their software ? They need to hold something back to be able to sell the hardware, while giving enough out (especially compared to others) so people can do what they want with their device.

marcinw 2009-11-09 22:20
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Atkin UK (Post 370335)
So what you are saying is to support open source they must write ALL their own code? Because they couldn't just say "MMS will be supported on X date" if their own developers are not the ones working on that support. The nature of open source is that a lot of people are doing it for free, so you cannot pressure them into getting MMS support finished and Nokia staff are busy fixing the core functionality.
I'm saying, that they're treating Open Source phone a little bit less serious than closed source phones. They could write: MMS will be available in future firmware release (without giving concrete date). Paying one good developer for making it (during few months in worst case) shoudln't be very expensive (I remind, there are Open Source codes and Nokia has got already own sources too). Speaking, that Maemo 5 is transition only is excuse for me.

marcinw 2009-11-09 22:24
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor (Post 370347)
So if Maemo/Nokia are not as open as you like, who are? Apple? Windows Mobile? Android?

Some things will stay closed and proprietary... Nokia are not a charity, and what would stop other phone companies from ripping off their software ? They need to hold something back to be able to sell the hardware, while giving enough out (especially compared to others) so people can do what they want with their device.
nobody said about full opening. but when I compare all of them (Apple/WM/Androing/Maemo), Android seems to be the best.

livefreeordie 2009-11-09 22:25
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370336)
You buy device X and you want to sync it from your Linux. Sorry. You buy your N900 and want to use functions available in your 7 years old Nokia. Sorry. These are maybe details, but...
So your whole argument is basically that 10 years ago Nokia didn't support Linux and all the work they've done in between doesn't count because Maemo isn't feature complete?

mikec 2009-11-09 22:25
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370348)
I'm saying, that they're treating Open Source phone a little bit less serious than closed source phones. They could write: MMS will be available in future firmware release (without giving concrete date). Paying one good developer for making it (during few months in worst case) shoudln't be very expensive (I remind, there are Open Source codes and Nokia has got already own sources too). Speaking, that Maemo 5 is transition only is excuse for me.
marcinw Symbian has now been Open Sourced. Qt has been Open Sourced for a long time, and drives the KDE desktop on Linux. Qt will be the strategic dev platform for both Symbian and Maemo.

Mike C

marcinw 2009-11-09 22:27
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by livefreeordie (Post 370353)
So your whole argument is basically that 10 years ago Nokia didn't support Linux and all the work they've done in between doesn't count because Maemo isn't feature complete?
1. not 10 years ago, but during 10 years

2. Maemo is not 100% seriously treated

You don't have to agree with my opinion.

livefreeordie 2009-11-09 22:29
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370352)
nobody said about full opening. but when I compare all of them (Apple/WM/Androing/Maemo), Android seems to be the best.
Android is for people who hate Microsoft. Maemo is for people who love Unix. Hate leads to the dark side of the force.

livefreeordie 2009-11-09 22:34
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370355)
2. Maemo is not 100% seriously treated
And your argument for that was that it isn't feature complete.

If you seriously expect Nokia to give advance information about features like MMS support, just look what happened when they announced they'd ship in October and we're now 10 days into a delay.

Personally, I'd just keep quiet and release MMS support when it's done.

benny1967 2009-11-09 22:41
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370352)
nobody said about full opening. but when I compare all of them (Apple/WM/Androing/Maemo), Android seems to be the best.
That's absurd. Androids licensing allows handset makers to deliver a completely closed, proprietary operating system with no open sources at all (except for the Linux kernel). You call that open?

So by your definition, closed source, proprietary software is open, and open software is not if the jobs that come with it are in Finland. Is that it now? Can we move on to another "N900 will ship on Nov 12th"-thread?

marcinw 2009-11-09 22:53
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 370366)
That's absurd. Androids licensing allows handset makers to deliver a completely closed, proprietary operating system with no open sources at all (except for the Linux kernel). You call that open?
Manufacturer X can close his version, but manufacturer Y will not do it (things went too far). Nokia can also say, that they will never publish many things.

One more example - Currently you can prepare with Android application sending SMS, with Maemo 5 I have problems with finding API. And please don't say, that this is because Maemo 5 is not feature complete.

zerojay 2009-11-09 23:09
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370176)
yes, there is not real community here like in some other Open Source projects at least in this moment.

It was interesting for me, if "zerojay" made some projects and what was/is their ranking. I wanted to estimate, what is his effort. I didn't say, that community means just programmers.
If you want to judge me using numbers, go ahead: http://maemo.org/profile/view/zerojay/

Compared to the rest of the community: http://maemo.org/profile/list/

And those numbers were after I had about 6 months or more away from the community... but I'm sure you're just going to call karma numbers ******** anyways. I'm one of the most well-known community members here and have helped to push different ideas and projects forward.

So you wanted to question my effort in the community... now it's time for you to tell us what you've done in this community.

danramos 2009-11-09 23:11
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 370381)
If you want to judge me using numbers, go ahead: http://maemo.org/profile/view/zerojay/

Compared to the rest of the community: http://maemo.org/profile/list/

And those numbers were after I had about 6 months or more away from the community... but I'm sure you're just going to call karma numbers ******** anyways. I'm one of the most well-known community members here and have helped to push different ideas and projects forward.

So you wanted to question my effort in the community... now it's time for you to tell us what you've done in this community.
Whoo! Now the gloves are off and the metrics are OUT!

Sorry, but I have to react...
"YYYYYEAAAAH!! You tell 'em!" :P

Why does this thread feel more like a schoolyard brawl?

zerojay 2009-11-09 23:14
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 370384)
Whoo! Now the gloves are off and the metrics are OUT!

Sorry, but I have to react...
"YYYYYEAAAAH!! You tell 'em!" :P

Why does this thread feel more like a schoolyard brawl?
It's all so stupid, really. Clearly he's a "the sky is red" kind of person that just likes to get people annoyed for the hell of it.

danramos 2009-11-09 23:16
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 370390)
It's all so stupid, really. Clearly he's a "the sky is red" kind of person that just likes to get people annoyed for the hell of it.
No kidding! What a jerk. That's MY job. :D

srk052004 2009-11-10 02:55
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370355)
1. not 10 years ago, but during 10 years

2. Maemo is not 100% seriously treated

You don't have to agree with my opinion.
This is so obvious to anyone who doesn't spend his whole life in Linuxland that is amazing to see all this drama from your detractors. In fact, I think you effectively nail this. Maemo is not taken seriously by Nokia. If it were, for example, the various applications that worked on Maemo 4 would already have been ported to Maemo 5. It looks to me that Nokia is just using people as Guinea pigs, and it figures that calling itself Open Source is a way of getting lots of Linux geeks to spend their time.

If Nokia took the N900 seriously, it would also offer tech support from people who could speak English. But that's a different topic.

srk052004 2009-11-10 04:31
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Actually, I don't have a myspace page, JayOnThaBeat. I also don't have Facebook. Or Twitter, for that matter. But I programmed in the Unix shell before there was a Linux, and I used Perl before there were shelves of books dedicated to it.

I notice that you have been thanked 508 times, but you have nothing to say that is relevant to the point. You quote me returning the foul language of Bratag, but you have nothing critical to say about Bratag.

You're not a troll, though. You are a core participant here, and nicely represent the mainstream contempt for the consumer that seems typical of Maemo types. As Nokia cannot share such contempt in the long run, I conclude that Nokia has little interest in consumers actually using this phone. That squares with its refusal to associate the phone with T-Mobile in the US, thus meaning that there will be no phone-based technical support in the US. And, based on my reading, I expect that Nokia will not take consumers seriously until (perhaps) Maemo 6. Very well, I will tune back in when Maemo 6 is released.

So, continue tapping away in your echo chamber. Meantime, I have decided on a Blackberry Storm2 with Verizon. It has all the functionality that I need, is relatively stable, is dedicated to business users without outstanding connectivity, has abundant useful apps for my purposes, has wireless capability (about time), and is very secure. It will not drive a TV screen, and it has a primitive OS compared with Maemo. But it also runs on the US's best carrier and is a world phone to boot. And, its OS is a hell of a lot better than Symbian.

But then RIM doesn't know anything about marketing its phones. Oh wait....

wmarone 2009-11-10 05:05
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
srk052004, I must ask, you have posted on this forum a whole five times, three of them have been on this page alone and none of them have been constructive in the least, with much of it being crude and condescending.

I've noticed that posters such as yourself and the starter of this thread have come in and presented largely nothing in terms of convincing arguments, and seem here only to start fires and fan the flames.

If you do not like what you see here, and have some fundamental disagreement with the way things are going, then do one of two things:

1. If it is something that involves the community and is within its capacity to change, post a reasoned suggestion or constructive criticism or,
2. If it is something under the influence of Nokia and you can see the community has no pull on it, please refrain from posting at all

benny1967 2009-11-10 07:22
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by srk052004 (Post 370558)
If it were, for example, the various applications that worked on Maemo 4 would already have been ported to Maemo 5.
would you even know where to go to check that statement of yours? - i mean... i can see all these ported applications. why can't you?

maartenmk 2009-11-10 10:15
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcinw (Post 370286)
At least 2 things:

1. treat N900 and Maemo a little bit more seriously. Device should have ALL functionality available in "closed" phones created with at least the same quality OR there be CLEAR info, when this functionality will be released (year, two ?). It would be excellent too, when they will have plans to make Maemo third main line too (but not in the most expensive devices only !).

[...].
The device is by far the best Nokia have! You could make a far better case saying Nokia should take Symbian a bit more serious.
Who cares about MMS? A radio app. would be nice, but S60 5th doesn't even have internet radio, and I know which one I prefer.

wazd 2009-11-10 12:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by srk052004 (Post 370582)
Actually, I don't have a myspace page, JayOnThaBeat. I also don't have Facebook. Or Twitter, for that matter. But I programmed in the Unix shell before there was a Linux, and I used Perl before there were shelves of books dedicated to it.
So, now you're an uber-programmer. (And who cares bout Perl even now :D )

Quote:
Originally Posted by srk052004 (Post 370582)
You're not a troll, though. You are a core participant here, and nicely represent the mainstream contempt for the consumer that seems typical of Maemo types. As Nokia cannot share such contempt in the long run, I conclude that Nokia has little interest in consumers actually using this phone. That squares with its refusal to associate the phone with T-Mobile in the US, thus meaning that there will be no phone-based technical support in the US. And, based on my reading, I expect that Nokia will not take consumers seriously until (perhaps) Maemo 6. Very well, I will tune back in when Maemo 6 is released.
So, now you're a psychologist (and a universe judge in your spare time) and a analyser.

/* skip the obvious troll part */

Quote:
Originally Posted by srk052004 (Post 370582)
But then RIM doesn't know anything about marketing its phones. Oh wait....
And now you're a marketing specialist.

All I can say is "so long and thanks for all the fish".

conny 2009-11-10 12:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maartenmk (Post 370839)
A radio app. would be nice, but S60 5th doesn't even have internet radio, and I know which one I prefer.
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fmradio/

mgoebel 2009-11-10 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat (Post 370142)
My e-penis is 1.5 meters long (for you wacky metric people out there ;))
Is there an app for that?

SubCore 2009-11-10 13:10
Re: Why should I believe Nokia ? Why should I work for Nokia for free ? ... again
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgoebel (Post 371076)
Is there an app for that?
Code:
#!/bin/sh
export LC_ALL=C
echo `uptime|grep days|sed 's/.*up \([0-9]*\) day.*/\1\/10+/'; cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep '^cpu MHz'|awk '{print $4"/30 +";}';free|grep '^Mem'|awk '{print $3"/1024/3+"}'; df -P -k -x nfs -x smbfs | grep -v '(1k|1024)-blocks' | awk '{if ($1 ~ "/dev/(cciss|scsi|sd)"){ s+= $2} s+= $2;} END {print s/1024/50"/15+70";}'`|bc|sed 's/\(.$\)/.\1cm/'

mve 2009-11-10 13:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SubCore (Post 371102)
Code:
#!/bin/sh
export LC_ALL=C
echo `uptime|grep days|sed 's/.*up \([0-9]*\) day.*/\1\/10+/'; cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep '^cpu MHz'|awk '{print $4"/30 +";}';free|grep '^Mem'|awk '{print $3"/1024/3+"}'; df -P -k -x nfs -x smbfs | grep -v '(1k|1024)-blocks' | awk '{if ($1 ~ "/dev/(cciss|scsi|sd)"){ s+= $2} s+= $2;} END {print s/1024/50"/15+70";}'`|bc|sed 's/\(.$\)/.\1cm/'
Damn... I have only 49.3cm :D

frals 2009-11-10 13:17
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Originally Posted by srk052004 (Post 370582)
You're not a troll, though. You are a core participant here, and nicely represent the mainstream contempt for the consumer that seems typical of Maemo types. As Nokia cannot share such contempt in the long run, I conclude that Nokia has little interest in consumers actually using this phone.
If you would stray out of this single topic, you would find quite a different view of the "typical Maemo type" I'm sure. Why there sure is a few "bad apples" in every community, judging the community by them is not an accurate meter imo.

My experience with the "typical Maemo type" is quite the reverse - open, helpful and willing to give up their own type to help someone else.


Note: This is not meant directly at you Jay - it's in general. No offence intended.

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Originally Posted by srk052004 (Post 370582)
That squares with its refusal to associate the phone with T-Mobile in the US, thus meaning that there will be no phone-based technical support in the US. And, based on my reading, I expect that Nokia will not take consumers seriously until (perhaps) Maemo 6. Very well, I will tune back in when Maemo 6 is released.
The refusal to "associate" it with T-Mobile in the USA might be because T-Mob had unreasonable demands (SIM lock and gimping the device? Who knows, I know I don't). After all, isn't Nokia "known" in the USA to not buy-in to what the other vendors does with the telcos over there?

I have no idea on phone-based technical support - but I'd assume it's available from Nokia Support in the country of purchase - I might be wrong as I've never used such a service.


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Originally Posted by srk052004 (Post 370582)
It has all the functionality that I need, is relatively stable, is dedicated to business users without outstanding connectivity, has abundant useful apps for my purposes, has wireless capability (about time), and is very secure. It will not drive a TV screen, and it has a primitive OS compared with Maemo. But it also runs on the US's best carrier and is a world phone to boot. And, its OS is a hell of a lot better than Symbian.

But then RIM doesn't know anything about marketing its phones. Oh wait....
Good you found the perfect phone for you! :-)

fwiw, the "US's best carrier" might not be compatible with the rest of the worlds standardized 3G network - and the choice between some USA customers and the better part of the rest of the world... Well, I think I can understand why they went with the rest of the world. :)


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