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mannakiosk 2009-11-13 01:32

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
I've also preordered in sweden and I'm a bit cranky about this too, but I'll try to restrain myself...

I don't know, but I'd bet that new Nokia phones would never be delayed in Finland while shipping in other countries.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just speculating that Nokia enjoys such tremendous goodwill and "we"-spirit among people in Finland (in general) that a sound business choice would be not to disturb those sentiments.

...so, in conclusion, all this makes me think that if ordering from Finland is not too much hassle for us here in Sweden (otherwise one could order to a friends address over there), that's what I'll do in the future.

Anyway. I'll wait for the 1.1 FW (unless I happen to be in Finland and see the N900 in a shop while still waiting for my swedish order), since anything other than Maemo is not an option for me at the moment. I want the opennes and freedom an linuxiness that Maemo has and even Android doesn't.

lma 2009-11-13 04:02

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anidel (Post 374170)
I would remove that image...

Not good to have IMEI around.

Any good reasons why not? Ie, what's the worst somebody could do with it? I'd be slightly concerned about the WLAN MAC (could be used to get stuff from tablets-dev.nokia.com at some point in the near future), but AFAIK the IMEI isn't used as an authentication token for anything...

archzai 2009-11-13 07:14

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
bad move by Nokia,
I think at this point people just want their damn phones whether SIM card or NO sim card...

clob 2009-11-13 08:12

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
What are odds for a delivery with ver: 1.1 before end of this year?
And I mean deliver to shops and home to customers who had preordered in Sweden!

Andre Klapper 2009-11-13 10:18

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
As Browser Portrait mode was announced for Christmas at Maemo Summit I expect an update by Christmas.

anidel 2009-11-13 10:37

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by range (Post 374363)
Not good quoting the image then, too :)

So you should probably do the same - remove the image from your post.

In quoting, I quoted the link, not the image.
If the original author removes the link, it'll get automatically removed (and this is what seems to have happened right now)

anidel 2009-11-13 10:38

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 374533)
Any good reasons why not? Ie, what's the worst somebody could do with it? I'd be slightly concerned about the WLAN MAC (could be used to get stuff from tablets-dev.nokia.com at some point in the near future), but AFAIK the IMEI isn't used as an authentication token for anything...

I *think*, but I am not sure, one could change their IMEI and use that one. Something bad may happen.

Anyway, since is the phone ID, it's always better not to show it around. You never know what a bad hacker/cracker could do with it.

Aniello

eikido 2009-11-13 11:37

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
You mean the same way someone could steal your license plate number and drive around with it?

WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR LICENSE PLATES!!!

I'm sorry but i've read many times that one sould protect the imei number.
i don't see why.

let someone steal it and use my imei number to make illegal phone calls

lma 2009-11-13 11:45

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anidel (Post 374732)
I *think*, but I am not sure, one could change their IMEI and use that one. Something bad may happen.

Changing a device's IMEI is technically very difficult, not to mention illegal in most places. If we're worried about bad guys, the main use of changing the IMEI is to work around the device being barred by the network operators after being reported lost/stolen (in which case the bad guy already has it and wants to change it to anything else, so keeping it secret is pointless).

Quote:

Anyway, since is the phone ID, it's always better not to show it around. You never know what a bad hacker/cracker could do with it.
If it was that dangerous I'm sure Nokia wouldn't print it (3 times!) on the outside of the retail box ;-)

clob 2009-11-16 11:51

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Is this what Nokia Sweden talked about as version "1.1"?

http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/11/1...-and-firmware/

att 2009-11-16 12:04

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by clob (Post 377874)
Is this what Nokia Sweden talked about as version "1.1"?

http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/11/1...-and-firmware/

No, I don't think it is. That is the first production firmware.

Andre Klapper 2009-11-16 12:49

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by clob (Post 377874)
Is this what Nokia Sweden talked about as version "1.1"?

http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/11/1...-and-firmware/

NO.
1.2009.42-11 is the FINAL (1.0 of Maemo5) release.
"1.1" will be the first update.

lma 2009-11-16 14:18

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 374533)
I'd be slightly concerned about the WLAN MAC (could be used to get stuff from tablets-dev.nokia.com at some point in the near future), but AFAIK the IMEI isn't used as an authentication token for anything...

It turns out I was wrong about this, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php is now up and uses the IMEI for access to firmware images.

oxpo 2009-11-16 23:05

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Has anyone seen a roadmap with estimates for ver 1.1? Is there anywhere I can follow the development of 1.1?

/oxpo

Dave999 2009-11-16 23:22

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oxpo (Post 378640)
Has anyone seen a roadmap with estimates for ver 1.1? Is there anywhere I can follow the development of 1.1?

/oxpo

Yes, you can follow the progrss here.

http://www.maemoproject.com/

clob 2009-11-18 07:44

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 378660)
Yes, you can follow the progrss here.

http://www.maemoproject.com/

And what do you mean with that?

It's like: - Take a look at nokia.com (and you will find the information if you follow every link... Sherlook show us how bright you are)

Is there not any official development roadmap off any kind?
Or is the "community" only supposed to deliver applications?

At the same time: Does anybody know if the items which are maybe delivered tomorrow in UK going to have the firmware from fabric (or reflashed before delivery)?

clob 2009-11-20 12:48

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Now when the "SIM-problem" solved ( https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5315#c12 ) which more bugs could be left before "1.1"?

Maybe "following bugsearch":
https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?q...op&value0-0-0=

Andre Klapper 2009-11-20 18:00

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by clob (Post 383902)
Now when the "SIM-problem" solved ( https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5315#c12 ) which more bugs could be left before "1.1"?

Oh well, there's always enough internal bugs (not in bugs.maemo.org) that you never even dared to dream of. ;-))
bugs.maemo.org is just one part of the story.

EIPI 2009-11-20 18:09

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andre Klapper (Post 384283)
Oh well, there's always enough internal bugs (not in bugs.maemo.org) that you never even dared to dream of. ;-))
bugs.maemo.org is just one part of the story.

Right. And that is why I was surprised that Ari hinted that there could be one bug tracker in the future (in Amsterdam, correct me if I am wrong).

nymajoak 2009-11-22 16:57

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
It seems likely the "small update for the N900 owners to come really soon" that konttori mentions is the "1.1" firmware. In that case it is hopefully just around the corner. :)

http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.co...ound-lack.html

oxpo 2009-11-24 17:11

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Don't know how much weight to put in this statement from Klas Ström (works for Nokia, Product manager for Nokia Scandinavia):

http://www.minhembio.com/forum/index...post&p=2671684

at the end of the post, he says (something like):

Nokia online shop (sweden) will soon send out information to people that preordered there.

/oxpo

jjx 2009-11-24 23:01

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oxpo (Post 389245)
Don't know how much weight to put in this statement from Klas Ström (works for Nokia, Product manager for Nokia Scandinavia):

http://www.minhembio.com/forum/index...post&p=2671684

at the en of the post, he says (something like):

Nokia online shop (sweden) will soon send out information to people that preordered there.

/oxpo

With Sweden unable to roll out until the 3 USIM issue is fixed and released, I imagine that's a high priority that may push the next firmware release. They have already written the fix; it is being tested now. Because of that, the next firmware may be a "minor" update, fixing just that issue and perhaps other well-contained faults like the GPS not locking without a working data connection.

cake 2009-11-28 15:43

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Interestingly, shop.nokia.se has sent out an email to preorder customers saying the device will be delivered in week 50, but with fw 1.0, adding that 3's SIMs will not work until fw 1.1 is out. The question on everybody's minds right now is obviously what the delay was all about. It all seems extremely fishy at this point.

nymajoak 2009-11-28 15:56

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cake (Post 397719)
Interestingly, shop.nokia.se has sent out an email to preorder customers saying the device will be delivered in week 50, but with fw 1.0, adding that 3's SIMs will not work until fw 1.1 is out. The question on everybody's minds right now is obviously what the delay was all about. It all seems extremely fishy at this point.

See Klas Ström's tweet re this:

Quote:

#N900 pre-order users via Nokia online shop to get their N900's in Sweden on current SW to ensure deliveries in a world screaming for N900.
On minhembio.com/forum he also acknowledges the following as a valid explanation:

Quote:

Kan ju vara så att dom lyssnat lite på alla klagomål som tex att vi vet det med problemet med 3 simkortet och att vi som förbokat är "powerusers" för det mesta, och sen att dom märkte att 1.1 tog lite längre tid än dom tänkt sig och därför tänkte att vi släpper den till Nokia shop kunder som vet vad det handlar om. Och sen kommer den inte ut i vanliga butiker förren 1.1 är släppt.
Translated, it roughly reads:
It could be that they listened a bit to all the complaints like for instance that we are aware of the 3 sim-card problem and that we who have pre-ordered are generally "power users", and also that they noticed 1.1 took a bit longer than expected and therefore released it to Nokia shop customers who are aware of the issue. Then it won't be released in regular shops until 1.1 is released.

So my interpretation is they basically changed their minds and decided to ship to webshop customers without the firmware update, and inform them via email of the sim card issue. Other shops might have to wait since Nokia can't be sure customers would be informed about the issue.

In addition to this they have also previously said part of the reason for the delay was to wait for larger volumes being delivered by Nokia.

dwould 2009-11-28 16:06

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
I'm interested that some people did get e-mails telling them about the 3 sim issue. I never had any official warning (although I did know about the problem). it's the last remaining thing I really want. other than not working for my SIM the device is fantastic. fingers crossed for a firmware update very soon.

nymajoak 2009-11-28 16:09

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dwould (Post 397731)
I'm interested that some people did get e-mails telling them about the 3 sim issue. I never had any official warning (although I did know about the problem). it's the last remaining thing I really want. other than not working for my SIM the device is fantastic. fingers crossed for a firmware update very soon.

They wrote in the same email that the update was expected in the end of December, so there might not be a separate one before "the Christmas update".

Cybjit 2009-11-28 16:13

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nymajoak (Post 397724)
On minhembio.com/forum he also acknowledges the following as a valid explanation:

Translated, it roughly reads:
It could be that they listened a bit to all the complaints like for instance that we are aware of the 3 sim-card problem and that we who have pre-ordered are generally "power users", and also that they noticed 1.1 took a bit longer than expected and therefore released it to Nokia shop customers who are aware of the issue. Then it won't be released in regular shops until 1.1 is released.

I don't think that was Klas Ström

dwould 2009-11-28 16:44

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nymajoak (Post 397733)
They wrote in the same email that the update was expected in the end of December, so there might not be a separate one before "the Christmas update".

I really wish I could get an official time line on when this fix is expected to roll out. I'm hovering over the buy for an o2 sim, I don't really want two overlap the end of my 3 contract, but I also don't want to spend the next month unable to get the most out of my n900...

nymajoak 2009-11-28 16:52

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybjit (Post 397736)
I don't think that was Klas Ström

No, the quote was a post by someone else. Klas Ström acknowledged later in the thread that it was correct.

eikido 2009-11-28 18:27

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
http://shop.nokia.se/nokia-se/produc...&culture=sv-SE

update to deliveries around week 50

Andre Klapper 2009-11-28 21:00

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EIPI (Post 384293)
Right. And that is why I was surprised that Ari hinted that there could be one bug tracker in the future (in Amsterdam, correct me if I am wrong).

No, totally right. I was very happy to hear that. It made my day, but it will be a long and complex way to get there (technically AND socially).

jjx 2009-11-30 00:30

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dwould (Post 397758)
I really wish I could get an official time line on when this fix is expected to roll out. I'm hovering over the buy for an o2 sim, I don't really want two overlap the end of my 3 contract, but I also don't want to spend the next month unable to get the most out of my n900...

You can buy one of the SIM-only 1-month rolling contracts with someone else, so that you can switch back to 3 if you want when the fix is out. Or get a PAYG SIM.

Tawyn 2009-12-09 11:45

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
No rumors or updates on when 1.1 might be released?
I will get the phone today but probably not be able to use it atleast as a phone. :)

uris 2009-12-09 11:50

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Most likely 22/23/24.December as a Christmas present

ossipena 2009-12-09 11:50

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
1.1?

i wouldn't take the step back, 42-11 is the version in retail versions...

sjgadsby 2009-12-09 11:52

Re: When could "1.1" of "firmware" be out?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 418648)
1.1?

i wouldn't take the step back, 42-11 is the version in retail versions...

42-11 is week_of_year-build_number, so the first half of the string will not be increasing much longer now, and the second half is effectively random from the public's perspective. More to the point though, the other name for 42-11 is PR1.0 as it was the initial firmware on the retail release of the device.


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