Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389369)

I know how to make playlists buddy. Unfortunately if it takes you forever to make one I don't think it counts as a playlist.

As far as syncing, wtf is the ovi suite and why does it coexist with the pcsuite?

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389395)

As a phone that is supposed to be bought by many many people it falls flat on its face.

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)

Overall

+ Feels solid
+ Great screen
+ Good sound quality from speakers/phone
+ Pretty fast camera
+ Good keyboard
+ USB charging/sync
+ Customizable desktop
+ Fast GPS lock
+ Nice Task Switching
+ Very nice OS

- Scrolling anywhere is like a bunch of mini seizures, really close together. In other words, garbage. Why the hell is this not perfectly smooth like the iPhone? It's the same hardware.
- Missing features that make you go WTF: no playlists, no searching email.
- WTF do you sync with...you get OVI links from the factory yet you try ovi suite and you get "device not supported". Typical Nokia garbage.
- Desktop widgets are cool but take facebook and news...you get 2-3 lines that keep scrolling and no way to make the widget larger. Completely useless.
- Music player widget is great but does not work with A2DP. Why?
- RSS reader is slow as hell to update (wifi or not). Scrolling is painfull at best.
- Transitions in the OS are nice but they often turn choppy and fail altogether. If you want to use transitions see that 2 year old device...what was it again...oh yeah.
- Try playing music and going online at the same time. The choppy scrolling gets even worse. Can I still scroll in the browser? Yeah. Is it painful as hell? Yeah.


Browser:

+ Pages load fast considering everything it's loading.
- Scrolling through bookmarks is slow as hell. Why?
- Scrolling through pages you get the checkered pattern VERY often. Sometimes you sit there for 3-5 seconds waiting for the scroll to catch up. WTF?
- Sometimes the pages get messed up with previous pages. Half the page would be the current page, half the previous page. You have to either reload the page or scroll over the messed up area to refresh it. WTF?
- Clicking back brings up this nifty history view. Nice. Now I have to factor in 5-10 seconds every time I want to click back? Have a history button and have the back button do just that: TAKE YOU BACK. No, I don't want to press backspace.
- Flash...yeah it does flash and youtube videos. If you feel like waiting 20 seconds for the video to catch up to the audio every time you move the page while playing the video then this device is for you.


Conclusion

I could go on and on but in a few words: THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE. I like it for what it can do but it doesn't do anything better than other phones out there. The experience is still painful. All the fragmented scrolling and painfull transitions make you feel like you're asking the device to do too much. Over-planned features are everywhere and yet not fully implemented (widgets, what widgets?). Basic functions are missing.

Where are the apps? WTF do you sync with? Why isn't there a central support page for this phone..etc.etc. I don't think Nokia has their stuff together and doubt they ever will. For me, this was Nokia's last chance to continue earning my business after all the garbage I bought from them over the years. Let's see how it pans out with some firmware updates but I am starting to get the feeling we're all wasting our time.

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389352)

I think you are confusing a reality check with complaining.

Would you buy a car with 3 wheels only because the last wheel was in development? Don't worry it's coming in version 1.1. The point is that Nokia has been pulling this crap with all their phones lately. They keep pumping out phones and none of them are any good. Well guess what, this one sucks too.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 389437)

Yes it does. Though playlists are nice when you want to say make one for a party, or do smart playlists (smart playlists would be a nice feature actually).

Though I wonder why there's no music program (not online like Last.FM, etc.) out there that is done via tags.

Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 389503)

Maybe it shoud have been "PHONE part is garbage"?

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)

Overall

+ Feels solid
+ Great screen
+ Good sound quality from speakers/phone
+ Pretty fast camera
+ Good keyboard
+ USB charging/sync
+ Customizable desktop
+ Fast GPS lock
+ Nice Task Switching
+ Very nice OS

- Scrolling anywhere is like a bunch of mini seizures, really close together. In other words, garbage. Why the hell is this not perfectly smooth like the iPhone? It's the same hardware.
- Missing features that make you go WTF: no playlists, no searching email.
- WTF do you sync with...you get OVI links from the factory yet you try ovi suite and you get "device not supported". Typical Nokia garbage.
- Desktop widgets are cool but take facebook and news...you get 2-3 lines that keep scrolling and no way to make the widget larger. Completely useless.
- Music player widget is great but does not work with A2DP. Why?
- RSS reader is slow as hell to update (wifi or not). Scrolling is painfull at best.
- Transitions in the OS are nice but they often turn choppy and fail altogether. If you want to use transitions see that 2 year old device...what was it again...oh yeah.
- Try playing music and going online at the same time. The choppy scrolling gets even worse. Can I still scroll in the browser? Yeah. Is it painful as hell? Yeah.


Browser:

+ Pages load fast considering everything it's loading.
- Scrolling through bookmarks is slow as hell. Why?
- Scrolling through pages you get the checkered pattern VERY often. Sometimes you sit there for 3-5 seconds waiting for the scroll to catch up. WTF?
- Sometimes the pages get messed up with previous pages. Half the page would be the current page, half the previous page. You have to either reload the page or scroll over the messed up area to refresh it. WTF?
- Clicking back brings up this nifty history view. Nice. Now I have to factor in 5-10 seconds every time I want to click back? Have a history button and have the back button do just that: TAKE YOU BACK. No, I don't want to press backspace.
- Flash...yeah it does flash and youtube videos. If you feel like waiting 20 seconds for the video to catch up to the audio every time you move the page while playing the video then this device is for you.


Conclusion

I could go on and on but in a few words: THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE. I like it for what it can do but it doesn't do anything better than other phones out there. The experience is still painful. All the fragmented scrolling and painfull transitions make you feel like you're asking the device to do too much. Over-planned features are everywhere and yet not fully implemented (widgets, what widgets?). Basic functions are missing.

Where are the apps? WTF do you sync with? Why isn't there a central support page for this phone..etc.etc. I don't think Nokia has their stuff together and doubt they ever will. For me, this was Nokia's last chance to continue earning my business after all the garbage I bought from them over the years. Let's see how it pans out with some firmware updates but I am starting to get the feeling we're all wasting our time.

Originally Posted by Breece (Post 389543)

Megacrazy, what is your problem with A2DP?

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 389437)

Yes it does. Though playlists are nice when you want to say make one for a party, or do smart playlists (smart playlists would be a nice feature actually).

Though I wonder why there's no music program (not online like Last.FM, etc.) out there that is done via tags.

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389352)

As a geek I will definitely enjoy the phone...but for normal people this will fall waaaaaay short, especially when you can go get an iphone for 200$ that can actually scroll smoothly.

Originally Posted by Breece (Post 389558)

But it does work when playing music without the widget?

Originally Posted by Icee (Post 389566)

Where do I find an iphone for 200$, show me, I would by a 1000 and sell them. ****ing great businesses making almost 800$ profit on one phone.

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389571)

Yup...It works fine with the media player.

As far as the iphone: http://www.att.com/

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)

Overall

+ Feels solid
+ Great screen
+ Good sound quality from speakers/phone
+ Pretty fast camera
+ Good keyboard
+ USB charging/sync
+ Customizable desktop
+ Fast GPS lock
+ Nice Task Switching
+ Very nice OS

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389298)

I am starting to get the feeling we're all wasting our time.

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389539)

Well the consensus seems to be that this is just step 4 out of 5 and that it's still in development and that everyone did the same thing (releasing half baked products). Sure, maybe that's the case but let's look at the competition.

What does this phone do better than the iPhone/Android?

Samsung has had widgets for how long now?

Android has had the panoramic desktop with links etc. for how long now?

So, if you are expecting to sell a product, surely it does something better than your competition...no?

The title is there to get people talking. I love this phone but that doesn't mean it doesn't fall short of the competition. Hence the "garbage" remark. It falls short of Android and of the iPhone as well.

Originally Posted by pagesix1536 (Post 389557)

Is it reasonable to assume that once this device gets into the hands of the public, that we'll start to see some of our favorite MP3 player apps from the Linux desktop get ported over to Maemo? I'm willing to bet that when there's a void like this, the community will step up to fill it provided they are able to use the tools to make that happen. The SDK is available, I think we'll for sure see this sort of thing happen a lot.

Originally Posted by Rotkaeqpchen (Post 389610)

Obviously you ARE mega crazy when you then say its garbage?!

Originally Posted by Megacrazy (Post 389634)

Maybe or maybe you fail to see that most of those are hardware related.

It's in the individual apps where things start going downhill fast. The idea of the OS is pretty cool but saying it needs more work is an understatement.

Originally Posted by hqh (Post 389516)

I just successfully made a phone call, so the phone part did everything I was expecting it to do. Wouldn't call it garbage :)

It works a lot better than most S60 phones with their first firmware versions.

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 389645)

I don't understand what this device being a "mobile computer" has to do with effective scrolling. So because it's so called not a smart phone means it's ok if the scrolling is choppy or if basic features that consumers expect are missing? That doesn't make any sense. Regardless of his "rants" he has raised legitimate points that nobody seems to want to address. I think he is trying to say that the device is not as polished as say the iPhone. The question is WHY and how do we make it better, not calling him a whiner. The iPhone does do a lot of things but what it does it does very well. Nokia should take note of that and apply it to there products.

Being a mobile computer rather then a smart phone does not mean basic functionality should be not be working or just missing all together. Instead of immediately coming to the defense a piece of electronics why not deal with the issue which can make the phone better.

The iPhone has set a standard in terms of UI. Nokia needs to anticipate the fact that it's phones (mobile computers or whatever the hell you want to call it) will be compared to the likes of the iPhone. If it falls short people are going to wonder why, especially if they have comparable hardware.

Originally Posted by pagesix1536 (Post 389450)

Um... it's not a phone. It's a pocket computer that just so happens to have some phone features to it. :p

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 389654)

I havent seen anyone else post that scrolling for them is bad.

The N900 was never ever touted as even a consumer device but always as a geek device. Comparing it to the iPhone is pointless and is not and apples to apples comparison

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 389645)

The question is WHY and how do we make it better, not calling him a whiner.

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 389660)

Ok well with that type of attitude Nokia will continue to lose market share and I suggest selling their stock.

Whether it's a geek device or not it needs to polished and not missing BASIC features. So beacuse it's a "geek" device we can't compare UI effectiveness or experiences? That's just silly.

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 389645)

I don't understand what this device being a "mobile computer" has to do with effective scrolling. So because it's so called not a smart phone means it's ok if the scrolling is choppy or if basic features that consumers expect are missing? That doesn't make any sense. Regardless of his "rants" he has raised legitimate points that nobody seems to want to address. I think he is trying to say that the device is not as polished as say the iPhone. The question is WHY and how do we make it better, not calling him a whiner. The iPhone does not do a lot of things but what it does it does very well. Nokia should take note of that and apply it to there products.

Being a mobile computer rather then a smart phone does not mean basic functionality should be not be working or just missing all together. Instead of immediately coming to the defense a piece of electronics why not deal with the issue which can make the phone better.

The iPhone has set a standard in terms of UI. Nokia needs to anticipate the fact that it's phones (mobile computers or whatever the hell you want to call it) will be compared to the likes of the iPhone. If it falls short people are going to wonder why, especially if they have comparable hardware.

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 389654)

I havent seen anyone else post that scrolling for them is bad.

The N900 was never ever touted as even a consumer device but always as a geek device. Comparing it to the iPhone is pointless and is not and apples to apples comparison

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 389671)

Thats not what I said. I said comparing a device that was never intended for the general public to a iPhone which was intended for every drone in the world is not a valid comparison. By your logic I can rip the iPhone a new one because I cant

1) Cross compile apps to work on it
2) Get root access with a single sudo command
3) Run my own apache server on and serve web pages from it.
4) Run and FTP server on it
5) Connect a wii remote to it and play SNES games
6) Play Quake III on it.

I mean I could go on and on - but 99% of drones dont care about that stuff and thus the iphone does "pretty" the N900 does "awesome"

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 389645)

I don't understand what this device being a "mobile computer" has to do with effective scrolling. So because it's so called not a smart phone means it's ok if the scrolling is choppy or if basic features that consumers expect are missing? That doesn't make any sense. Regardless of his "rants" he has raised legitimate points that nobody seems to want to address. I think he is trying to say that the device is not as polished as say the iPhone. The question is WHY and how do we make it better, not calling him a whiner. The iPhone does not do a lot of things but what it does it does very well. Nokia should take note of that and apply it to there products.

Being a mobile computer rather then a smart phone does not mean basic functionality should be not be working or just missing all together. Instead of immediately coming to the defense a piece of electronics why not deal with the issue which can make the phone better.

The iPhone has set a standard in terms of UI. Nokia needs to anticipate the fact that it's phones (mobile computers or whatever the hell you want to call it) will be compared to the likes of the iPhone. If it falls short people are going to wonder why, especially if they have comparable hardware.