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kayle.sk 2009-11-24 19:52

Re: So what did you expect?
 
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 389370)
So I ask - what did you expect?

I except only small computer with linux with call capability with slightly better hardware as my current Freerunner. End.

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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 389370)
3) It's a mobile device. It will not make me slimmer, more beautiful, or attractive to the opposite sex. It will not cause me to win the lottery, marry a millionaire or gain 80 IQ points.

Don't underestimate power of the darksid... err... I mean N900! :)

f pickels 2009-11-24 20:03

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You know what I expect from the N900 ? It to work as advertised! It seems more and more that it does not. I expect it to do all the things Nokia say's it can do. I expect it to do all the things it was designed to do. And do them well for that price. And I expect this out of the box. There are a lot of people making a lot of excuses for how ,why, its new, bla bla bla. They designed it, they built it, they advertised it, they hyped it. Now Nokia its put up or shut up time.

Oh and I expect good customer service from any company selling high end devices. Nokia not so good with there handling of the N900 right now.

benny1967 2009-11-24 20:04

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Originally Posted by danielwilson (Post 389606)
the n900 does read the incoming callers name

it shows it on the display, but lacking a text2speech engine, it doesn't read it aloud, which is a feature i would't want to miss.

Nemo_me 2009-11-24 20:05

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Finally I run N900

For me it's perfect :P

smarsh 2009-11-24 20:06

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I expect to have an N810 I can push video out of. I expect I'll try to convert it to VGA and push it to a screen so I can do some quick and dirty presentations, latex file editing and processing, stuff like that. I don't expect wonderful video, btw... I just hope that conversion option will rest my eyes somewhat.

I doubt I'll worry overly about the phone, although I might plug it in.

I expect to keep my N810 so I can do the things it can do that the N900 can't.

I expect the N900 will disappoint some because they want a phone. I actually like my little phone and I expect I'll keep it.


I expect it to be my travel device, basically.

alexf 2009-11-24 20:10

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I'm hoping it will be a step up from the N95 but with better web browsing capabilities than the n97....more memory, more speed and better screen. I don't really want to follow the iphone crowd, its too normal, I like to be a leader rather than a follower.....

hqh 2009-11-24 20:18

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Originally Posted by f pickels (Post 389788)
You know what I expect from the N900 ? It to work as advertised!

Um... Has there been a single case in the history of mankind of a commercial product working as advertised? :D

w00t 2009-11-24 20:22

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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 389679)
Only if it knows it. As long as it's someone in your contacts list, it will display name (remember that add where Mum calls?)

That's a deal breaker. I expect my n900 to hack into the phone company, and retrieve the name of the person calling me!

smarsh 2009-11-24 20:25

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Originally Posted by w00t (Post 389824)
That's a deal breaker. I expect my n900 to hack into the phone company, and retrieve the name of the person calling me!

Naah, that's too simple. I expect it to be able to ask Echelon who is calling, what they want to say, and what they said 3 years ago to the bloke who lives 3 doors down about how to make rice crispies squares.

Most important is what they want to say - after all, I want to know if I should take the call or not. A dealbreaker if it can't do that, I think.

sjgadsby 2009-11-24 20:28

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Originally Posted by Nemo_me (Post 389535)
Do you need to use strength to take off the back of your N900?

The back cover of my N900 doesn't fall off on its own, but at the same time, removing it doesn't require that I turn green and begin referring to myself in the third person. The best measurement I can give is that I can easily remove the back cover using the pinky finger of my off hand.

I will say the removing the back cover of the N900 felt awkward the first time I did it. I'm used to mobile devices that employ release sliders of one variety or another for their battery doors, so simply pulling the cover off initially left me fearing I'd break something.

At this point, I'm not worried about the N900's rear cover at all. It's not difficult to remove, I'm not worried it will break, and I certainly find it faster and easier to remove than the battery cover of my N810. No matter how I hold my N810 when I open it, I'm always left with the feeling I've got it backwards somehow or perhaps that two hands is one fewer than I'm meant to have for the task.

RevdKathy 2009-11-24 20:28

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Originally Posted by smarsh (Post 389833)
Naah, that's too simple. I expect it to be able to ask Echelon who is calling, what they want to say, and what they said 3 years ago to the bloke who lives 3 doors down about how to make rice crispies squares.

Most important is what they want to say - after all, I want to know if I should take the call or not. A dealbreaker if it can't do that, I think.

I was kind of hoping it'd have a sexy voice and say something like "Hey, Gorgeous, I have X on the line for you asking about a date... do you want to take the call?"

kjmackey 2009-11-24 20:31

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I don't expect the world's most beautiful phone. I already owned one - it was the N7710 (yeah, I know - sue me :p)

I expect a better browser than was on my 770 and is on my N800. I expect a better browser than was on any of my iPhones (yes, I have owned all versions of the device - and now none).

I am expecting to enjoy that all available ways to reach a contact are all integrated into the one application.

I expect, from an always on, always connected, device that the applications/widgets/web pages that connect me to the Net will be there at the flick of a finger(nail if I want) ready to do my bidding.

I also expect, because I've been buying these toys forever, that -every once in a while - the device will hiccup and disappoint.

I expect to be able to listen to my music - 95% of which is ripped from the CDs I own - while doing many of the other things the device can do. I am disappointed with the lack of playlists which I just read about - I'll live.

I expect a competent phone - it is a Nokia after all. I also understand where this device came from, so I get that it won't have all the features high-end Nokia phones have.

Only two things I will miss from my iPhones. Google Maps - sorry, even OVI maps on my current N97 is not as smooth to use or as straightforward. The other thing, the Koi Pond application. :o

I loved my 770 and still think the N800 is good at what it does. I was not expecting the leap forward that the UI on the N900 represents - and I am looking forward to it.

smarsh 2009-11-24 20:34

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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 389840)
I was kind of hoping it'd have a sexy voice and say something like "Hey, Gorgeous, I have X on the line for you asking about a date... do you want to take the call?"

There's an app for that :p

Laughing Man 2009-11-24 20:35

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Haha, we could create an application that does that. We just gotta get RevdKathy to do the voices. =P

sjgadsby 2009-11-24 20:36

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Originally Posted by smarsh (Post 389853)
There's an app for that

Have you actually used flite?

RevdKathy 2009-11-24 20:37

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Kjmackey, there are playlists. You can populate them and even create new ones. The problem seems to be that doing so is simply awkward and not obvious, so people don't find it off the bat. In fact, there's a brainstorm going on right now to find a way to make the UI more intuitive.

So you can do what you want - and there's a thread round her somewhere explaining how. :)

mannakiosk 2009-11-24 20:40

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I expect Free/Open Source software and customizability and the lack of artificial and arbitrary limitations.

Rushmore 2009-11-24 20:41

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I “am” expecting a device to be a true all-in-one for phone, web, games, media and decent photo features. My concern is how impressed will I be since using the Droid for almost two weeks. Droid is a very good device for phone, messaging, web (sans Flash) and game emulators work well and make the G1 seem very out dated.

This comparison will be a good test of what is really more important to me for a device I “depend” on. One concern I have is that the N900 display is 9% smaller and due to the aspect ratio compared to Droid, widescreen movies will be 12% smaller on average. Cropping is not an option since that would defeat a key reason for getting the N900- no converting files.

I guess it will come down to how much I miss the phone-centric interface, Shopsavvy, Google voice search, and Navigator with layers, to what I gain from the media and Flash feature for web with the N900.

The huge bias that remains is KY has 3G coverage everywhere (seriously) and I am lucky to get Edge by Tmo in a lot of places. I must admit I am looking forward to comparing them! I am afraid the strengths and weaknesses of both will offset and it will be a coin flipper when all is said and done.

If Tmo had better 3G coverage in KY, I think the N900 would be the favorite by default and game over already, but that is not the case.

added:
Looking forward to the duel! One thing off the bat against Droid is Android and "big brother" syndrome. Google's "hands" are in everything now.

kjmackey 2009-11-24 20:42

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Excellent - many thanks, RevdKathy. I'll have to wait till my N900 arrives (Nokia USA /lost/cancelled/did "stuff" to my pre-order so I suggested they forget it and have ordered from Amazon). So, before the end of the year I'll get to try the playlists.

RevdKathy 2009-11-24 20:44

Re: So what did you expect?
 
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Originally Posted by kjmackey (Post 389881)
Excellent - many thanks, RevdKathy. I'll have to wait till my N900 arrives (Nokia USA /lost/cancelled/did "stuff" to my pre-order so I suggested they forget it and have ordered from Amazon). So, before the end of the year I'll get to try the playlists.

Good. We look forward to hearing what you think of it.

smarsh 2009-11-24 20:47

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 389857)
Have you actually used flite?

Yeah, I love the sexy voice :o

I turn MaemoMapper on and run around with it just to hear it...

RevdKathy 2009-11-24 21:02

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Originally Posted by smarsh (Post 389897)
Yeah, I love the sexy voice :o

I turn MaemoMapper on and run around with it just to hear it...

I've only ever used GPS once - someone travelled with me and brought their device. It had the voice of Ozzy Osborne swearing at me at every roundabout. So I'm not over enthused about sat-nav. I'd rather get lost. than endure that again.

smarsh 2009-11-24 21:05

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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 389931)
I've only ever used GPS once - someone travelled with me and brought their device. It had the voice of Ozzy Osborne swearing at me at every roundabout. So I'm not over enthused about sat-nav. I'd rather get lost. than endure that again.

Yes, but it can be fun - a mate and I were driving around Norway and had a great time trying to make his gps (I can't remember which it was, but it was a lovely calm female voice) tell us to do a u-turn. Eventually we headed up a mountain pass and after a few minutes stumbling along she said 'At the first chance, perform a U-turn"

Jubilance ensued. Pints were had in celebration.

kjmackey 2009-11-24 21:05

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And, the next time I read "it can't do {insert whatever}..." I'll check the User Guide I've downloaded. As pointed out in another thread, Page 74 talks about playlists.

I'm off to RTFM :)

daperl 2009-11-24 21:07

Re: So what did you expect?
 
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 389857)
Have you actually used flite?

I see someone already beat me to it, but what are you saying, that Stephen Hawking and I don't have sexy man voices?

Bundyo 2009-11-24 21:08

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Well, if Ozzy was rather singing the directions...

Anyway, my biggest gripe is the App Manager. Good god, was that so hard...

daperl 2009-11-24 21:35

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As far as what I expected, I think I'm gonna change my name to Nostradamus; there have been no major surprises here, except maybe one. And that might be you Kathy, because if in 6 months you still believe what you wrote in your original post, I would have had you pegged all wrong. My first impressions were that you were heading down the same road as this wonderful person, but it's obvious that I wasn't even close. You seem to be the real deal and I hope your level-headedness and optimism continue to be very infectious.

mullf 2009-11-25 00:23

Re: So what did you expect?
 
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 389931)
I've only ever used GPS once - someone travelled with me and brought their device. It had the voice of Ozzy Osborne swearing at me at every roundabout. So I'm not over enthused about sat-nav. I'd rather get lost. than endure that again.

You can change the voice, you know!

Texrat 2009-11-25 00:29

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LOL... I can only imagine GPS with Ozzy's voice. The directions would be unintelligible, and once you exceeded the expected time of arrival by a lengthy span it would shout "Shaaaarrrronnnn!!!"

:D

MountainX 2009-11-25 00:42

Re: So what did you expect?
 
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 389370)
I get the impression that some people are disappointed with n900 because it doesn't live up to unrealistic expectations.

So I ask - what did you expect?

I'm expecting something significantly better than my N810.

The thing that worries me the most is navigation/mapping. I bought my N810 hoping to use it as a GPS. I gave up on that after being profoundly disappointed with every solution I tried.

My fantasy is that the N900 will (soon) have a navigation/mapping solution as good (and as free) as Verizon's Droid.

If navigation/mapping is a bust on the N900, I will be very disappointed. And if I can't use navigation/mapping without a data connection, I'll be upset (and, based on some reports, it looks like I will indeed be upset).

I believe I will be pleased with everything else about the N900 based on what I have seen/read.

DaveP1 2009-11-25 00:43

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 390268)
LOL... I can only imagine GPS with Ozzy's voice. The directions would be unintelligible, and once you exceeded the expected time of arrival by a lengthy span it would shout "Shaaaarrrronnnn!!!"

:D

I love Ozzy. The Samsung Propel commercial he did is one of the funniest mainstream commercials I've seen in recent years.

daperl 2009-11-25 00:44

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 390268)
LOL... I can only imagine GPS with Ozzy's voice. The directions would be unintelligible, and once you exceeded the expected time of arrival by a lengthy span it would shout "Shaaaarrrronnnn!!!"

:D

I like that. How about the two of them fighting:

[Sharon]: Tuun right in 25 meedus.

[Ozzy]: No, no, no. Don't listen to 'r. Turn left, the phaamacy's that way.

captainqtp 2009-11-25 00:46

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I'm hoping to attract a mistress. Is the n900 good for that?

Arrancamos 2009-11-25 01:04

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I'm expenting the best cellphone out there... and... n900 is, at least for me :D
... What else!!!
Perfection only in ur dreams. That is like try find the perfect girl^^

Take advantage of ur device as much as u can.

PS: btw useless post.

bAxon 2009-11-25 01:56

Re: So what did you expect?
 
I do not have the phone yet as it should arrive tomorrow from Dell.

For $500 in the year 2009 I expect from the phone to have a very good email client period. I can be without fancy transitions but I need to have a reliable email/phone.

Transitions, music is secondary as this does not make me a dime in my business. I do not want to have a candy phone that has a limited functionality (no email/global search, lack of imap support, conference calling, etc.)

If n900 does not meet that requirements it goes back pure and simple. I have BB on both Tmobile and Sprint, and I was planning to consolidate my lines and I like voice quality of Tmobile.

Since I do not like ATT, Iphone is not for me. But I beginning to see why iphone is so popular and why perhaps I should be shorting Nokia stock.

The verdict will be tomorrow but I am not going to invest in a sinking ship

jjx 2009-11-25 02:22

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Originally Posted by bAxon (Post 390375)
For $500 in the year 2009 I expect from the phone to have a very good email clinet period. I can be without fancy transaitions but I need to have a rellaible email/phone.

For $1000 I can't even get a laptop with a decent email client. The laptop, yes, but all email clients suck :D

Seriously, it'll be interesting to see what you think. If I were after a superb email client, I wouldn't expect it on the N900 (at this time - it will evolve) and I'd get something else.

But not an iPhone - how can you seriously do proper emails on a phone with no keyboard? Unless you're one of those people who only writes 2-line emails :D

Based on my experience with phones, it's usually worth persisting for a week or two with a new one even if it's annoying, because you get over the differences and things you were expecting from the last one, and only then can you get a feel for what the new one does well. Sometimes differences are really annoying and seem like stupid design decisions, yet after a few weeks I've seen my mind completely changed.

As it happens, I am in the market for a great email client and general all-purpose life assistant integrated communications megacentre, but I'm prepared to port or even write one if necessary which suits my personal way of working.

That's a major plus for the N900 for me - I'm not stuck with what it comes with; I can adapt it to work the way that suits me. And I will.

Sucks to be an ordinary user who doesn't program, though :D

No, wait, even non-programmers are allowed to use the free apps written by others! Enjoy, you're welcome, have a nice day :D

jjx 2009-11-25 02:25

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Originally Posted by captainqtp (Post 390286)
I'm hoping to attract a mistress. Is the n900 good for that?

Yes, the N900 provides excellent access to dating web sites! I recommend okcupid.com :p

PhilE 2009-11-25 02:28

Re: So what did you expect?
 
With one exception (Sharp GX10i - bleh!) I've only ever had Nokia phones. Maybe that qualifies me as a fanboi, I don't know.

In my defence, I would point out that as each contract has come up for renewal, I've looked at the handsets on the market and wound up plumping for yet another Nokia. So far, my list looks like this:

Nokia 7110 - died of water damage
Nokia 6600 - survived contract, donated to wife who left it in the back of a taxi
Nokia 6680 - survived contract, donated to wife who looked after it
Nokia N93 - survived contract, donated to eldest daughter who broke 2 of the buttons off it
Nokia N95 8GB - current handset, still going strong after 20 months, best handset I've had so far
Nokia 5800 - impulse purchase for wife to replace ancient 6680

Earlier this year, I was very briefly the proud owner of a Samsung i8910 on Orange. The handset was superb (3.8 inch AMOLED touch screen and built in DiVX support) but the network coverage from Orange was abysmal, so it went back after 5 days. The i8910 isn't available on any other network in the UK unless you buy SIM-free for around £550, so that was the end of that.

I got quite excited when the N97 was announced, but a detailed look at the hardware specs and 10 minutes playing with one soon convinced me to leave well alone.

I've had it with Symbian as a smart phone platform - the straw that broke the camels back for me was the call log 'bug' on all S60 3rd editon and 5th edition handsets that many people (incorrectly as i turned out) blamed on Nokia. It turned out that the bug was in fact a feature (Google 'S60 call log bug') introduced by Symbian cuz they know best. Don't even get me going on the old signed/unsigned SIS files thing...

Anyhoo, the N900 was announced and I got interested again. A fresh direction for Nokia, phone and NIT in the same device, with funky touch screen, decent hardware to run it on and Linux as the underlying OS. My N900 won't be with me until after December 3rd, at which point Nokia and I will be drinking together in the last chance saloon. If it turns out to be a pile of fetid dingos kidneys, than I'll start looking at other manufacturers/platforms.

In short, I don't believe I have any firm expectations this time round. I've volunteered to buy in to a completely new product line, but only because I can't see the N-series going much further for Nokia unless Maemo takes off in a big way in the next 12 - 24 months. I hope I'll be pleasantly surprised, but it won't be the end of the world if I find myself typing "+1" on the "N900 sucks" thread in 6 months time.

RevdKathy 2009-11-25 02:31

Re: So what did you expect?
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 390013)
As far as what I expected, I think I'm gonna change my name to Nostradamus; there have been no major surprises here, except maybe one. And that might be you Kathy, because if in 6 months you still believe what you wrote in your original post, I would have had you pegged all wrong. My first impressions were that you were heading down the same road as this wonderful person, but it's obvious that I wasn't even close. You seem to be the real deal and I hope your level-headedness and optimism continue to be very infectious.

Thank you! That's a really nice compliment. Not sure if I can live up to it! I can assure you that I am pretty much the same person online and IRL - at least I try to be.

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Originally Posted by mullf (Post 390263)
You can change the voice, you know!

That was part of the problem:we couldn't. It had been set up for us by her husband - she had no clue how to use it and I was driving. We were stuck with him for about 45 minutes. And he does swear at every single roundabout. I'll stick to my AA routemap and a fistsful of OS maps thanks. ;)

aironeous 2009-11-25 02:50

Re: So what did you expect?
 
I expected Adobe to put FLASH 10 ON IT!
That is what i expected. How long has 10 been around for and no version for maemo. What is the f'n problem? Can one of you just convert the linux version and a bunch of us can pitch in 10$


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