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Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers

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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 657222)

The consensus among early users of the N900 (before screen protection became nearly universal IMHO) was that the N900 screen was lots easier to scratch than the earlier tablets.

And an irrelevant aside. My N800 has scratches and my N810 doesn't. Neither had screen protectors. They both got the shoddy treatment I generally give my tablets.

Quoting myself because quoting Texrat would have left out enough context to tell what we were talking about.

I would love to see a poll of how many N900 users use screen protectors. If the majority do, I would be curious why a majority of users would adopt them if the consensus was that they didn't need them.

This video is fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tgNdRm-iJs

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 657211)

Good advice in general but be advised: IF static is the issue (and it's my first guess here based on experience), this solution could actually be part of the problem if no screen protector is used. If dust is on the screen or the inside pouch surface, inserting/removing the device can cause scratching.

That's a theory I haven't considered before, the casing is leather and cloth though. Do you think that the casing material will have any effect on this issue?

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I'm a just a new N900 user so my experience might not represent the majority. Still, it could be useful to potential buyers.

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Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 657036)

Hardware

(i)The screen scratches more easily than capacitive screens.

I found one advantage of resistive touchscreen is that you can use stylus. Stylus may come in handy in some situation where you need high precision screen-touching. There is special design, battery-powered stylus for capacitive touchscreens, though.

I switch from phone with capacitive touchscreens, and in my personal opinion N900's touchscreen is as responsive as the capacitive ones.

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(ii) There is a serious manufacturing defect with the micro-usb socket of many of the N900s. For some it has fallen out completely. For me the device no longer charges from a charger. It has to be charged from PC via USB cable. Nokia have been made aware of the problem and hopefully have fixed it in the latest builds but there is no guarantee this is so and there is no guarantee that even if they have you will not end up with an older batch so be aware of this risk.

I can charge it with USB cable now. Of course charging with AC charger is faster.

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(iii) Only three row keyboard layout so you need to use alternate for the numbers keys.

Well I think it's an advantage?

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Battery

If you do not have IM accounts turned on then the battery should easily last you through the day. However, with some IM accounts (not sure which are the culprits but yahoo and msn seem to be amongst) you should generally expect around 6 hours use on average. Not really an issue specific to the N900 though - Engagdet's review of the HTC Desire says they had 6 hours with similar use.

The conclusion is that IM drains electricity. This is a fact that is not phone-specific.

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Interface/Operating System

(i) Some devices randomly restart.

I don't experience random restarting, it restarts abruptly when I've done something pushy which is anticipated.

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(ii) The transition between the four desktops is far from smooth.

May be someone is comparing move screens on a device with resolution 480x320. N900 gets a 800x480 screen, but still, I personally think the screen transition is quite smooth.

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You can just install another desktop. I understand some people do not like the freedom of choice.

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(iv) Scrolling through a long list is terribly jerky. For example if you are scrolling through the thumbnails of your photos.

On the contrary, I find it scrolls faster than any other devices when processing a large list of images. The multitasking capability of N900 helps, as the scrolling action doesn't need to wait too long for thumbnails creations like other devices do.

Of course, it's my personal experience again, but you can try it out yourself.

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(v) If you have a lot of media going to a folder with many sub-folders or files will cause the device to slow down to the point of the file manager being unusable.

This one repeated (iv).

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(vi) The device can sometimes be slow and unresponsive. If you are a Linux expert or are lucky you will never have any slow down or apps freezing up. However, it is generally not as snappy as an iphone for the general user where you tap an icon and it opens up immediately.

I know someone would hate multitasking capability that N900 has.

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(vii) The screen does not refresh automatically for some reason. If the screen goes off (battery saver) when you wake it up it will show for a couple of seconds exactly what it was showing before it went to sleep. So if the time was 14.50 then and is now 16.30 it will initially show 14.50.

May be my eyes are not as reflexive as others, I personally found it refreshed instantly. My bad.

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(viii) It takes longer than it should to switch from portrait mode to landscape and vice versa.

Longer than.....?

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(ix) There is no full portrait mode on the device so makes one handed operation rather difficult or virtually impossible. There is only portrait mode on phone app, web browser and some third party apps.

I personally (again, personally) dislike the switching of orientation due unintentional movement. Still you can change this behavior, which the tester doesn't know.

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Maps/Navigation

The Ovi Maps version on the N900 is outdated and misses voice turn by turn navigation.

This is complaining Nokia not giving better software for free. Yeah, I've a bigger list of free-lunch complain on hand.... XD

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Ovi Store

This does not work properly with the N900.

Thank God.

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Media Player

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(ii)
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(iv)
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(vi)
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(viii)
(ix)

I summarize this long list of complains into this:

"I don't know how to install a real media player like mplayer and its companion, and I don't understand why people would make player doesn't work with iTune."

In this case I don't have the answer.

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Email
(i) There is no easy way to search your emails.

Like....a large search button?

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(ii) Nokia Messaging sometimes has delay in pushing emails to the device. Delay can be 15 minutes, can be a couple of hours. If you have a job where you need to be contacted immediately by email better to use a blackberry.

Do you realize you can define the interval of mail pushing?

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Phone

(i) The phone cannot say the name of the caller.

Your firmware is pretty old it seems.

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(ii) You cannot have custom ringtones for each caller.

Yes you can.

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(iii) You cannot have caller groups.
(iv) The call log is pretty poor. It just lists all types of calls (incoming, outgoing, missed) in one long list.

I second these two points.

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(v) For some it randomly goes to speaker mode whilst you are on the phone.

You need to shave.

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(vi) For some the call volume drops on and off.

Try not to grab your phone too hard, the volume buttons are sensitive to pressure.

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(vii) Only general and silent profiles (although there is an app that seeks to get around that).

Thank you for answering to your question. ^^

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(viii) No way to set the phone to divert all calls to voicemail. You need to download a third party app to achieve this.

Potential N900 buyers would love to hear that. XD

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(ix) Cannot dial numbers starting with * or # without the use of a third party widget so without the third party widget you are unable to top up your credit or check your balance in certain countries.

Yes, you can. You need a new firmware.

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(x) No MMS unless you get a third party app.

So the answer is "it can".

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Special Issues

(i) If playing video I cannot receive calls.

Why I can?

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(ii) Sometimes the phone rings with a blank screen for a few seconds so no way to answer the phone. I know a few others have had this issue but not sure how wide spread it is.

I've this experience. Try tapping the screen.

I'm trying to be constructive in all my response, but I just still couldn't help amused by some of your comments. My apology if that sounds offensive to you.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers

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Originally Posted by Parody (Post 657247)

That's a theory I haven't considered before, the casing is leather and cloth though. Do you think that the casing material will have any effect on this issue?

Hard to say. But it's easy to find out: rub it against typical surfaces and see if it can attract things like tissue. Just be aware if the case IS static-prone it will likely pick up dust during testing.

I would *hope* they had used a static-resistant material, but then, sometimes that isn't considered...

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If you have a mac, you can sync your itunes playlists with your n900 using Nokia Multimedia transfer

You could try GoGadget for syncing too.

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Your N900 won't help you pick up women. Another negative.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers

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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 657246)

I would love to see a poll of how many N900 users use screen protectors. If the majority do, I would be curious why a majority of users would adopt them if the consensus was that they didn't need them.

Based on past conversations here, I'm betting many simply use them as a precaution based on default advice.

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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 657263)

Your N900 won't help you pick up women. Another negative.

I am not sure about that. Sometimes flashing lights and glitz can work wonders. I would use the Live Wallpaper Matrix background and tell people it's the beta iPod...

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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 657263)

Your N900 won't help you pick up women. Another negative.

I disagree

Some girl thought it was a droid and let me get to first base

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers

The Samsung i8910 Omnia HD had 'scratch resistant' tempered glass.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers

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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 657263)

Your N900 won't help you pick up women. Another negative.

It conceivably could if they are a bit arty I have seen some nice work from brushes on iPhone but the pressure sensitivity on a phone paint app must be fairly unique.

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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 657263)

Your N900 won't help you pick up women. Another negative.

It's even worse with iPhone, chance is that a woman know iPhone better than you, and that hurts your self-esteem and ego, badly.

(BASE ON REAL STORY)

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Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 657260)

If you have a mac, you can sync your itunes playlists with your n900 using Nokia Multimedia transfer

You could try GoGadget for syncing too.

Wait, what?

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Originally Posted by giecsar (Post 657136)

etuoyo, you really need to remove the parts where it's about your personal preferences only if you want this to be a reference for those wishing to buy the N900 (and possibly you will also stop receiving negative replies).

Let me know those you are referring to and I will change. Don't know any I have put down that is personal preference.

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Originally Posted by schettj (Post 657186)

While I agree that several of the OP issues are either "by design" or "personal experience" it isn't a bad list. Once 1.2 is out, we should strike out the resolved items. Here are my comments

- general - number the list from the top, not i, ii per each subheading, for easy comments :D Also, since this is for NEW purchases we should be assuming FW 1.1 at least, old issues resolved since then need not be rehashed here.

Cheers. Will renumber as suggested. Also agree things should definitely be crossed off the list once they have been fixed. As for the screen scratching issue I have edited from saying the N900 screen scratches easily to saying it scratches more easily than capacitive screens.

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Originally Posted by Descalzo (Post 657286)

Wait, what?

confusion?

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I just checked the site and they say it's not compatible with the N900.

But if you use it I'll believe you over them and try it.

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers

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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 657222)

The consensus among early users of the N900 (before screen protection became nearly universal IMHO) was that the N900 screen was lots easier to scratch than the earlier tablets.

This does not match my experience. Scratchwise, my N900 screen looks a lot better than my N810 screen after the same amount of time, I blame this on the N810 pouch and heavier stylus usage. I'm keen on attributing the 'easy to scratch consensus' about the N900 to a certain blog post about a preview unit, not real-life experiences. Then again, 'easy' is a very subjective term and it certainly does not have the N97 anti-scratch-coating.

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(ii) You cannot have custom ringtones for each caller.

Yes you can.

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I'm trying to be constructive in all my response, but I just still couldn't help amused by some of your comments. My apology if that sounds offensive to you.

As quoted by 9000

I've deleted most of the quote from 9000 due to its length. Sarcasm courtesy of 9000 comes to mind...not a constructive response.

However I would be interested to know how I can assign different ring tones to different contacts? I am a newbie to the N900 (as most of us are) and not familiar how to do this. You been a pro perhaps you can enlighten me? I'm sorry if that sounds offensive to you.

Zan

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Don't know how to put my replies within your posts the way you have done so have put them down in CAPS. Thanks alot for the input though. Very helpful.

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Originally Posted by Andre Klapper (Post 657196)

Just some comments to a few points here, or linking to corresponding bug reports for the records and other interested folks...
In general: Thanks for the list. An interesting summary, and something worth to forward to some Nokia "deciders".

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 was fixed already in a public release, but there are still reasons left, e.g. see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8787 .

MINE STILL RESTARTS.

For me it's never been a couple of seconds, but less than a second. Current behaviour is because of performance (not updating the screen when it is not shown anyway).

WILL CHANGE TO SAY VERY BRIEFLY

If this refers to "officially supported" audio formats this sounds like a bug. Feel free to file a ticket in bugs.maemo.org and attach an example music file (or send it via email to me in case of copyright issues as bugs.maemo.org is totally public).

Again, sounds like a bug. If you see any pattern a ticket is welcome.

Planned for Harmattan it seems, plus 3rd party software is being worked on - see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1890

HAVE EDITED TO SAY 3RD PARTY APP IS IN THE WORKS

In most cases it seems to be related to other desktop widgets installed. See the status/progress in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5894 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9192 .

HAVE AMENDED TO SAY THIS

I asked in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10065 to report it in maemo.org Brainstorm but cannot find the ticket.

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5502 .
Feel free to vote for it by clicking "Vote for this bug".

Uh? Any quotes/URLs, or a bug number for this one?
I think I haven't heard of it before (or I cannot remember)...

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=128

If that's true it sounds like a huge problem to me. Haven't heard that before. Again, care to file a ticket in bugs.maemo.org?

See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7772 .
Patch is being tested internally...

Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 657257)

Tried out, it didn't pick up any dust or anything.
I think they used a static resistant screen, considering that they also made it transreflective.

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Originally Posted by Descalzo (Post 657324)

I just checked the site and they say it's not compatible with the N900.

But if you use it I'll believe you over them and try it.

GoGadget or Nokia media transfer?

I've attached screencaps of both

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At someone elses urging, I'm trying something new, and hopefully more "productive". :)

I've created a sister thread to this one, where rather than try to explain here for the 20th times how to compensate for a "missing feature" or an "issue" someone has about the device, one can explain work around and/or solutions others may have missed. I do ask that you read the top post there, and feel free to contribute to the thread, preferably with links to the solutions as I've started to do.

This isn't to discredit the problems people are posting here, but rather to show fixes, alternatives, or possible work-arounds that some may have missed. For example, the "doesn't do MMS" issue can be readily resolved by using fMMS (which is listed on the sister page).

Hopefully the new thread will let more people enjoy their existing N900, while the two together can provide a more balance view of the N900. This lets others looking at the device decide if optional solutions may be "good enough" stand-ins for key features that they need or want.

One constructive bit, this thread has served (and will continue to) as a good source of topics which we can use to help create a constructive list of fixes or work-arounds from. Feel free to take things people here are ~~bitc..~~ noting and post working solutions on the sister page. (Then maybe note that you did that here, with a link to your post, like I've done?)

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Thanks. See my comments below.

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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 657244)

I wish these points could be edited to match reality:

Well if you say something which is reality I will amend

There must be something to scratch the screen, right? yes the screen is scratch prone but the scratches doesn't appear nowhere like baby jesus was born...

Whether there is something to scratch it is kinda besides the point. I did not have anything in my pocket other than the N900 and got two massive scratches within two months use. In contrast I had an ipod touch for three months. I hate Apple and was like a hammer on my head owning any of their products so treated it like ****. Dumped keys and anything else imaginable in same pocket and did not get a single scratch. Fact is the N900 screen scratches more easily than those of many of its competitors for comsumers money - iphone, HTC Desire, HTC Legend.

many is the worst word one could possibly have put there...

Will change to some.

isn't this obivous if you have looked more than one picture from the device?

Yes but you may not appreciate what it means for your usage until you have to type a few docs with lots of numbers mixed in. However, someone else has said it is a preference so I think I will delete it. Major issue for me though because most of my use other than as a phone and media player is Conboy which I use for taking notes in Church and when doing Bible study and well when the pastor says Matthew 7:7 it gets annoying having to do alternate for the 7, Upper Case for the : and then alternate again for the other 7.

I get 10+ hours with facebook + gtalk. so imo that should be mentioned: better protocol - double the battery duration

Well I have already said yahoo and msn are culprits and said it is not an issue unique to the N900. But will change to mention that facebook + gtalk give much better results.

these are called defect units. these should be replaced asap. (you can get a brand new if you return the device within xx days at least in Finland)

Really? Thought this was a wide spread issue hence the thread on this site with over a 1000 posts or so and that this was a software issue which was fixed for many in the last firmware update but I still have the problem.

depends fully what you are running and what not. and what do you concider smooth anyway?

Not sure how to describe smoothly and not even sure it is a relative term. It is either smooth or it's not and well it is not as far as I am concerned. But will edit to say depends on what you have

then why in the heavens name you don't use iTunes?!?! it can be used with any device cabable mounting to your PC as an usb stick....

Sorry but I don't know how to. As far as I know Apple blocks anything from synching with itunes that is not an Apple device. The Palm Pres had itunes synch and then Apple intentionally disabled this. If you are saying there is a work around I will edit to say this but will have to mention that it is not straightforward as just simply synching an iphone to itunes.

will be fixed when PR1.2 is released.

Thanks will edit to say this. When the firmware comes out it will of course be deleted altogether.

thank you!

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Originally Posted by zanzibar2 (Post 657354)

You can't. Which is why I was surprised to see that in his post. Along with alot of other things in there. Unless I have missed a new third party app.

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Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 657036)

Please do not attack me pointlessly as so many of you love to do. This is meant to be constructive. Let me know what issues you think I have missed out so the list can be as comprehensive as possible.

That's fine, as long as some points are not your subjective opinion :)

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Please do not say I don't have that issue so it does not exist. Everything I will list other than from what others have contributed will be from my own experience and I am not making anything up.

Why your own perception suppose to be the common opinion? Just let's discus things here. Customer ca read about issues and later personal subjective feelings. Rather other way around.

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Maybe eventually this can be changed to a wiki or something. Hopefully this will prevent others buying a device which is not suitable for them.

I disagree do a wiki base on one person subjective opinion only :)
As I said, let's discus about each point and find the consensus.

Whatever I will write down under your post it's my experience and opinion only!

Hardware

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(i)The screen scratches more easily than capacitive screens. I have two very large scratches on my screen despite making sure I put absolutely nothing in the same pocket as the N900. Be sure you use a screen protector because no matter how careful you are the screen may get scratched.

I agree with you but I don't like the screen protector because cause issue you pointed out later.

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I believe it's true.

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(iii) Only three row keyboard layout so you need to use alternate for the numbers keys.

true, but compare to what... screen keyboard or devices that have 4 rows. Is not cool for me only when I have to press 1 because buttons fn and 1 are close to each other and is not handy when you keeping your device on the way. However if designers/developers here doing some pass with numeric field in mind usually number mode is as default.
I didn't expect this same experience as on PC keyboard, I know some devices are better but hardware keyboard is good enough for me and refer to size of the buttons and how they functioning it's just perfect.

Battery

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If you do not have IM accounts turned on then the battery should easily last you through the day. However, with some IM accounts (not sure which are the culprits but yahoo and msn seem to be amongst) you should generally expect around 6 hours use on average. Not really an issue specific to the N900 though - Engagdet's review of the HTC Desire says they had 6 hours with similar use.

I am using 4 at the moment. With all additional handy apps helping me keep aye on power consumption. When I am not using my N900 to much, just reciveing emails every 5 minutes, some messages via conversation bluetooth turned off etc etc. 2 days, yes 48h.

Pretty much sleep mode but I keep my emails and conversation running.
If I can add internet browsing quickly check some address, receiving calls, 4-5 per day 10min each, 24h.

Using N900 extensively non stop 6h.
However I was surprised yesterday with leaked 1.2. last time I had appointment, so, get to the tube listening to the music, gps overground to find location, some internet browsing to find some client related websites. My battery with from 80% goes dead after 3h journey, Yes GPS with current OVI map was harm. Yesterday similar journey this time with improved OVi map. from 90% to 80% within 1 hour, pretty much the same activity.

Interface/Operating System

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(i) Some devices randomly restart.

Yes I have read about this

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(ii) The transition between the four desktops is far from smooth.

Screen protector? or ridiculous amount of widgets and shortcuts on the screen? Or both.
For me no issues. Each screen represent some section for me, Phone/Conversation, Daily use apps, Entertainment, Contact Shortcuts/ Bookmarks. Smooth and pretty. (Stock 600Mhz) I had screen protector for 3 days. I removed it quicker than guys showing it on demo movies ;). It will completely destroy your enjoyment of the touch screen.

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(iii) You cannot jump to the particular desktop you want like you can with HTC's Sense interface. You can scroll forward or backwards so can go from 1 to 2 or 1 to 4. But you cannot go straight from 1 to 3. You must scroll through 2 to get to 3.

(iv) Scrolling through a long list is terribly jerky. For example if you are scrolling through the thumbnails of your photos.

See above. To addition to that, Because I am enjoying smooth screen I am also enjoying the fact I need to go from 1 to 4 :)

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(v) If you have a lot of media going to a folder with many sub-folders or files will cause the device to slow down to the point of the file manager being unusable.

no experienced

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I am not linux expert, simple logic saying me don't tap like crazy everywhere. Sometimes it's getting stuck, that's true. Are you clicking like crazy when your home machine will get stuck? I know many ppl do like that.

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no experienced

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(viii) It takes longer than it should to switch from portrait mode to landscape and vice versa.

hmm, guys you really need to tweak transitions a bit :) or let people remove it.

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true, regarding to the fact N900 was intended to be internet tablet line continuation.

Maps/Navigation

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The Ovi Maps version on the N900 is outdated and misses voice turn by turn navigation. Note that most symbian devices have a full navigation software with turn by turn and voice whether walking or by car and this is free on these devices. On the N900 you have to pay for a third party programme.

Yes old Ovi maps is horrible, leaked 1.2 MUCH more better.

Ovi Store

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This does not work properly with the N900. I may be wrong but at present it is not even working at all. Also if you are using your PC you cannot easily load apps from Ovi Store to your N900 the way you can with itunes and iphone. If you choose to install an app on your PC all that happens is you get a link sent to your phone by sms and then you have to follow the link which takes you to the Ovi Store.

true, but personally i don't miss Ovi store since I've got all i need in App manager.

Media Player

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(i) Videos stutter a lot for the first few seconds of play back.

no experienced

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(ii) The N900 has a serious problem with displaying proper tags for music files. For some it works fine for some it doesn't. For me it shows album artist and never song artist and album artist is almost pointless for me as many of my songs are from compilations and so just shows Various Artist rather than e.g. R. Kelly. Third party apps such as Media Box do not have this problem but may have their own issues.

(iii) Some album art do not show even though embedded.

(iv) Tracker which updates media file info is very often defective. You can add media files and they not show up in the media player for a week. You can reset tracker or kill it, etc using terminal but be warned it is very often not like what you are used to where you transfer files via usb and your files show up immediately.

(v) Creating playlists is not as intuitive as it should be. You need to add songs to now playing list then create playlist from the now playing list.

true

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(vi) No proper functioning software to sync with your PC the way itunes syncs perfectly with iphone. You can use drag and drop but that is only helpful for the first sync of all your music and when you add new songs to your PC and are sure exactly what the news songs are and can just drag and drop them. There is Ovi Music but it does not work with the N900. Third party PC software programmes can sync but many of them just sync to the main documents folder or the main music folder rather than in an organised manner (via artist, album artist, etc) and so create a huge mess and will kill your use of file manager. You may get something to work properly but will be quite an effort compared to using itunes and iphone.

true, I understand it can be issue for drag and drop lovers.

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(vii) Currently no equaliser though I don't see much point in an equaliser but just be aware there is none in the media player.

No worries new PR will make you happy here

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(viii) The play button on the media player widget does not work for some.

(ix) No way to stretch to full screen in the default media player (though mplayer a third party app will do so).

No worries new PR will make you happy here

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Email

(i) There is no easy way to search your emails.

(ii) Nokia Messaging sometimes has delay in pushing emails to the device. Delay can be 15 minutes, can be a couple of hours. If you have a job where you need to be contacted immediately by email better to use a blackberry.

Settings, interval, everything works for me, I am using 2 accounts And actually I am thinking to slow it down because bubbles became nightmare and annoying thing.

Phone

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(i) The phone cannot say the name of the caller.

Can with app

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(ii) You cannot have custom ringtones for each caller.

haven't play around

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(iii) You cannot have caller groups.

haven't play around

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(iv) The call log is pretty poor. It just lists all types of calls (incoming, outgoing, missed) in one long list.

For me it;s cool, one view, icon saying what happened, label beside who.
Would be nice to have additional options to filter this, But as general list I like it. You have full view for history.

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(v) For some it randomly goes to speaker mode whilst you are on the phone.

if your ear is faster (touch the screen) than detector, possibly.

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(vi) For some the call volume drops on and off.

no experienced

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(vii) Only general and silent profiles (although there is an app that seeks to get around that).

true

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(viii) No way to set the phone to divert all calls to voicemail. You need to download a third party app to achieve this.

really?

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With 1.2 you will

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(x) No MMS unless you get a third party app.

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These phone issues are issues which are not present on symbian so if they are big issues for you consider one of the high end symbian phones as an alternative.

Special Issues

This section contains issues which may not be very wide spread but I have put them down because they are present on my device. Some can suggest other issues they have which no one else seems to have.

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(i) If playing video I cannot receive calls.

There is app to improve this. Would be nice to have it native.

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(ii) Sometimes the phone rings with a blank screen for a few seconds so no way to answer the phone. I know a few others have had this issue but not sure how wide spread it is.

Happening to me sometimes, but I learned that don't try to press green button and turn portrait mode in this same time.
Make sure your phone is in good position and then press it.
But I agree it could be definitely improved.

I know you asked ppl here do not point out this, I have right to speak what I feel about my phone etc. Every one have I think. And you see how different opinion and experience can be. And I don't think that any body here opinion should be THE ONE. But general view that all of us agree it's wrong. Also intentionally I was talking about 1.2 because will show you Nokia didn't let us die with this state. They keep improving things. And I am glad to see this even on leaked PR. In my opinion it should be one general topic for this, I agree that was good idea and I am going to thank you for this. But should be done by moderator and base on many ppl opinions get the most repeatable/common issues rather than subjective opinions.

Once Again, whatever I said here it's ONLY my PERSONAL opinion same as Author of this thread.

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One request I do have to the OP: Could you please change the language about "3rd party apps", or at least note that when you say that phrase you are talking mainly about free apps? Most people see the phrase "3rd party apps" and are conditioned to think they are apps they would need to pay something to get.

For example, fMMS is a free app that anyone can install from extras-testing (hopefully soon in extras). Calling it a 3rd party app, which technically correct, could make people just looking into the N900 think they have to pay for an app to do MMS.

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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 657393)

At someone elses urging, I'm trying something new, and hopefully more "productive". :)

So was this all gerbick's idea or are you just somehow using his name for some sort of benefit...

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One constructive bit, this thread has served (and will continue to) as a good source of topics which we can use to help create a constructive list of fixes or work-arounds from. Feel free to take things people here are bitc.. noting and post working solutions on the sister page. (Then maybe note that you did that here, with a link to your post, like I've done?)

I would've considered your post to be positive and constructive if it wasn't betrayed by that part in bold.

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Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 657420)

You can't. Which is why I was surprised to see that in his post. Along with alot of other things in there. Unless I have missed a new third party app.

There are a few scripts that get close, and a project that's working on it. It's not quite there yet last I looked, but it's close. :) I haven't added to the solutions thread yet because it's still too beta to be a real solution yet. But once it is (or if it's progressed more since then), please do update my thread please! :)

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 657440)

So was this all gerbick's idea or are you just somehow using his name for some sort of benefit...

No, it's my idea... But I was inspired to re-think how I was handling threads like this based on his input, and felt it was right to give credit where credit was due.

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 657440)

I would've considered your post to be positive and constructive if it wasn't betrayed by that part in bold.

Did you read the other thread yet? Did you see the smiley? Just because I'm being constructive doesn't mean I can't make a tongue-in-cheek joke on occasion. Let out your belt a knotch and relax a little. It's not like someone's driving... :p

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I would've considered your post to be positive and constructive if it wasn't betrayed by that part in bold.

I do agree to that, I believe in honest author's intentions but I would like to put a border and highlight and bold it. True Issues and subjective feelings. And my constructive proposal is to keep moderate this subject base on this filter.

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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 657448)

No, it's my idea... But I was inspired to re-think how I was handling threads like this based on his input, and felt it was right to give credit where credit was due.

Ok, I was wondering why you gave a link to his forum profile not just post his name or a link to his post... but anyway, no big deal, just asking :)

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Yeah, that thread is good. I hope it continues to grow and becomes a valuable resource for the forum.

I'm on the last hole already, can't loosen the belt anymore.

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Originally Posted by Parody (Post 657364)

Tried out, it didn't pick up any dust or anything.
I think they used a static resistant screen, considering that they also made it transreflective.

The problem might not be the screen as much as it will the stylus and/or any other materials (like the inside of a case) that the screen contacts.

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Great thread - if possible could this thread be made sticky? I feel some of the concerns of the OP are true but many of them have been made invalid by the great work in the community and should be noted in the original post so as not to mislead others.

Things such as fMMS are pretty much as good as an official implementation and afaik Nokia multimedia transfer syncs photos and music with iTunes pretty seamlessly (and I just learned of gogadget!).
Thanks

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I have bolded my replies below.

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Originally Posted by devu (Post 657422)

That's fine, as long as some points are not your subjective opinion :)

Well I have tried to not put in any subjective opinions. Anything others have said is subjective I will remove. For example I am going to remove the fact it has three rows of keys. I did not list it to say three was worse than four or five or anything else. Just to show potential buyers that well typing words and numbers ain't as easy as they may think.

Why your own perception suppose to be the common opinion? Just let's discus things here. Customer ca read about issues and later personal subjective feelings. Rather other way around.

How did I suggest that? Why I put that in is something which was very common when I first got the N900 (and I was one of the very first other than the 300 testers). Someone would say they have an issue and a fanboy would reply and say I don't have that issue so you have a defective device. Until more and more people posted here and it became obvious it was not a one off (actually it should have been obvious to any objective person.

I disagree do a wiki base on one person subjective opinion only :)
As I said, let's discus about each point and find the consensus.

As I have said I have tried to keep any subjective opinions out and will be deleted the three rows of keys point.

Whatever I will write down under your post it's my experience and opinion only!

Hardware

I agree with you but I don't like the screen protector because cause issue you pointed out later.

I believe it's true.

true, but compare to what... screen keyboard or devices that have 4 rows. Is not cool for me only when I have to press 1 because buttons fn and 1 are close to each other and is not handy when you keeping your device on the way. However if designers/developers here doing some pass with numeric field in mind usually number mode is as default.
I didn't expect this same experience as on PC keyboard, I know some devices are better but hardware keyboard is good enough for me and refer to size of the buttons and how they functioning it's just perfect.

Have discussed this twice above but thanks for the input.

Battery

I am using 4 at the moment. With all additional handy apps helping me keep aye on power consumption. When I am not using my N900 to much, just reciveing emails every 5 minutes, some messages via conversation bluetooth turned off etc etc. 2 days, yes 48h.

Pretty much sleep mode but I keep my emails and conversation running.
If I can add internet browsing quickly check some address, receiving calls, 4-5 per day 10min each, 24h.

Using N900 extensively non stop 6h.
However I was surprised yesterday with leaked 1.2. last time I had appointment, so, get to the tube listening to the music, gps overground to find location, some internet browsing to find some client related websites. My battery with from 80% goes dead after 3h journey, Yes GPS with current OVI map was harm. Yesterday similar journey this time with improved OVi map. from 90% to 80% within 1 hour, pretty much the same activity.

2 days. Wow. You are lucky. However, I think it is widely agreed that IMs drain the battery significantly. But will change to say some do not experience this battery drain.

Interface/Operating System

Yes I have read about this

Screen protector? or ridiculous amount of widgets and shortcuts on the screen? Or both.
For me no issues. Each screen represent some section for me, Phone/Conversation, Daily use apps, Entertainment, Contact Shortcuts/ Bookmarks. Smooth and pretty. (Stock 600Mhz) I had screen protector for 3 days. I removed it quicker than guys showing it on demo movies ;). It will completely destroy your enjoyment of the touch screen.

To be honest I have the jerkyness whether with or without screen protector and whether I have absolutely nothing on the screen. But the first post is edited anyway to say depends on what you have on. Maybe will edit further to say not smooth for some.

See above. To addition to that, Because I am enjoying smooth screen I am also enjoying the fact I need to go from 1 to 4 :)

Lol

no experienced

Well others have said this. Maybe you have just not noticed. Try it out. Play a song. Let the screen go to sleep and the next song start playing. Wake the screen up. What info does it show initially? The details of the last playing song or the current playing song? It shows the details of the last playing song briefly and then jumps to the now playing. Should not be like that - never experienced it on any other device and don't even think it is like that on N97.

I am not linux expert, simple logic saying me don't tap like crazy everywhere. Sometimes it's getting stuck, that's true. Are you clicking like crazy when your home machine will get stuck? I know many ppl do like that.

Not tapping anything like crazy. Point is not as snappy as other devices. And this is a particular issue professional review sites put Nokia down for when they review Nokia touch screen devices. So it is not a personal opinion. Simply just not as snappy as iphone and I suspect the Palm Pre and the new HTCs (which all have multi tasking so that is not the issue).

no experienced

hmm, guys you really need to tweak transitions a bit :) or let people remove it.

true, regarding to the fact N900 was intended to be internet tablet line continuation.

Maps/Navigation

Yes old Ovi maps is horrible, leaked 1.2 MUCH more better.

Ovi Store

true, but personally i don't miss Ovi store since I've got all i need in App manager.

Media Player

no experienced

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true, I understand it can be issue for drag and drop lovers.

No worries new PR will make you happy here

No worries new PR will make you happy here

Settings, interval, everything works for me, I am using 2 accounts And actually I am thinking to slow it down because bubbles became nightmare and annoying thing.

Phone

Can with app

Thanks. Was not aware. Will amend to reflect this.

For me it;s cool, one view, icon saying what happened, label beside who.
Would be nice to have additional options to filter this, But as general list I like it. You have full view for history.

Well for me it is an annoyance not having any other option. There is extended call log app to show things the way I want (and the way I am used to from 10 years of Nokia phoned) but the app is kinda pointless cause it just shows the log. You can't call or text from the numbers on the log.

I know you asked ppl here do not point out this, I have right to speak what I feel about my phone etc. Every one have I think. And you see how different opinion and experience can be. And I don't think that any body here opinion should be THE ONE. But general view that all of us agree it's wrong. Also intentionally I was talking about 1.2 because will show you Nokia didn't let us die with this state. They keep improving things. And I am glad to see this even on leaked PR. In my opinion it should be one general topic for this, I agree that was good idea and I am going to thank you for this. But should be done by moderator and base on many ppl opinions get the most repeatable/common issues rather than subjective opinions.

You keep on talking as if everything I have put down is personal opinion. Be more specific. The only thing that can be said is personal opinion is the smoothness of scrolling and the 3 keyboard layout. Everything else does not in anyway strike me as personal opinion. Feel free to enlighten me. By the way there is a huge difference between personal opinion and something that does not affect my personal device. So it may be personal opinion whether or not three or four rows of keys is a good thing. It is not personal opinion if I say some N900s randomly restart even if it has or has not happened to me. Also please bear in mind the purpose of this list. It is to make buyers aware of anything which could be an issue. For you the call log is fine. For a person coming from symbian it is not. It is for them to decide if they can do with the way the call log is. This is not something they will get from reading reviews but may be a big issue. Thus it appears on the list. You see what I mean?

Once Again, whatever I said here it's ONLY my PERSONAL opinion same as Author of this thread.

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Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 657427)

Thanks. Will change to say that.

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Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 657512)

I have bolded my replies below.

Oh lazy you :)

Ok dude, don't get me wrong I am on your side and agree with this, It's important to aware people with over-enthusiastic expectations. Thank you for clarify your intentions here. My only worry is to start collect all of this so called subjective opinions. This becomes thread like why you should never ever buy N900 since pluses are still more than minuses. In my opinion it should be clear when issue it's general issue that there is nothing to do with this, you have to accept some fact. Or there is my opinion or room to improve this issue.

If I could blame on VW Golf V1 I will never ever take a look on VW5 right?

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Here is a big issue for me in the Adressbook:
It's impossible to rename the description of the numbers from a person in the adressbook. At example to write down: "old phone" or "used only at the weekend", "employer Number 1", "employer Number 2" or "T-Mobile account" - simple to differentiate the mobile numbers if a person has more than one of the same type. At Symbian phones this worked since years.

There were several pruposals how this could get fixed at the Maemo Bugs and at Brainstorm, but they were all blocked or ignored. :(

Add 5 times the same person with different number causes many other problems and confusion. Thats a ugly unworking "workaround".

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Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 657594)

Ah yes forgot about this even though it is the biggest issue on the phone app for me. Reason being most of my family live in different country from me. Like to call their main phone well - mobile that's fine (if they have just one in their home country). When they came to the UK on holiday like to label their UK phone mobile UK. But gets even worse. My eldest sister has around 4 home country mobiles. On N95 I could call one blackberry. I know she would always carry this around so I know I am fine if I text her on either of those. Now I don't text her at all as I have no idea which number is her blackberry.

Will update opening post with this.

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Hint: Any time you justify adding an entry with the phrase "All Symbian Phones did this" it goes into Annoyance or Feature I Wish It Had, not Issue. Since this is NOT a Symbian phone, it has different features. Not all of them are good, but that does not mean it is an "issue".