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[QUOTE=freppas;406611]Well seeing as this is the forum for the people who wrote a lot of the software for the N900 I wouldn't be surprised if they sometimes react strongly to someone saying the product is ****.

It's all about the tone of the conversation, I think everyone understands that you can get very mad when you spend lots of money on something that doesn't work like you expected it. But also, going to the people who made it, saying that it sucks and you don't want it anymore and then expecting a slew of understanding condolences might be a tad optimistic.

How about we look at this a bit more positively. Apparently there are issues with the bluetooth functionality. Has anyone created a bug report for this?

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Good point . . .not many commercial organisations would allow end users direct access to 4th line support! not a very clever move as they speak a different language!!

n900 was built by techies for techies . . . even this web site was clearly designed by a certain community for a certain community and is not my idea of and end user site! nokia have obviously made a commercial descision to do this and will definately live or die by it!

1 thing is for sure people will either love or hate the 900. not many will be in between!

not sure how long the fins can take the noise!

dont blame people for thinking the n900 is a phone and that nokia is a phone manufacturer! its an easy mistake to make in my opinion!

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Right, but then the iPhone should be assumed to be a computer no? :p

I'm sure the idea has been floated already but how about a users forum for the simpler question?

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I'm curious about this N900 forum, after searching for a while this was the only real forum I found. Is this just a forum for linux/maemo developers, and is there a better forum for general users of the phone? I just want to share general information and experiences about using the phone (which means I want to hear about people venting complaints).

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Braaavo!!!
My point bein exactly
Now this persons on my planet unlike others on ere

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freppas, even though you speak 'tongue in cheek' I think you are really onto something and are very right!

Most people that I know that use the iPhone were not traditional smartphone users before! They carried around a phone, an iPod and a seperate cam!

Some were big on mac and moved onto iphone!

typicall nokia lovers transition to n900 from . . . n95/other smartphone maybe or other lower device! and a % from internet tablet community!

despite what the manufacturer or community say the device should be used for . . . 'perception is reality'

if i go to my local nokia website and list 'all phones' . . . tada the n900 is listed . . .

indeed n900 is a "Phone Model Number"

interestingly mini laptops are not listed as phones and do not have a "Phone Model Number"

Now we go to the apple web site and equally see the iphone listed under the mac tab :eek:

obviously im only joking no apple clearly clearly say what is a phone and what is a computer!

damn it the thing is called iPhone while they have (like sony did with walkman and hoover did with vacuum cleaners) succesfully come up with their own adjective for a personal computer!

for me the real shame here (and its totally redeemable) is the n900 is a great bit of tech and the concept of a open linux based os is amazing! I love nokia to pieces but have to admit they are playing catch up here on many fronts.

a few years ago the sony walkman was ubiquitous. and despite the size and power of sony the apple ipod came and found the company resting on its laurels. . . . they have never recovered since!

while no direct comparison can be made i hope we are not seeing the same thing here with nokia as both google and apple have raised the game exponentially!

personally i do not see apple as nokia's biggest long term worry but google and android!

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Then you shoulndt buy a device that is not being called a phone, but a mobile computer :rolleyes:

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I sincerely cant understand why you don't understand that Maemo and the N900 doesn't target the same audience as Android and the iPhone. While the two latter are (smart)phones, the N900 is truly a computer in a mobile phone format and provides the ultimate linux experience in such a device. People who are totally satisfied with their iPhones will probably not be very satisfied with the N900, as it has a completely different focus.

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Maybe it also would if the fanboys (of which I am one since yesterday) would stop behaving as if Nokia also needs a Church of Steve.

Okay, and maybe it also would help if the people who don't like the phone would try to be constructive about that. The bluetooth behaviour looks like a bug to me - and pulseaudio should be able to divert call sounds to the speakers, too.

It would be nice if the original poster would file a bug about that behaviour instead of just venting here.

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It just bothers me when people start their own topics to tell how much they hate their N900 because of the lack of portrait mode and MMS when the slightest readup on the N900 would reveal that before they spent 600$ on it..

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Yep. I have nothing against about discussing the wanted/missing features but the problem is that there are at least few topics a day with pretty much the same message that has been discussed a million times already.

I can understand that people feel frustrated if the device isn't what they expected, but at the same time there's frustration building in these forums with endless amounts of these threads.

Perhaps having a sticky "Yes, it doesn't have portrait and MMS, discuss it here" would help. :P

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It doesn't matter how Nokia announce or market it. The vast majority of people will assume it's a phone.
I'm fairly certain that every conversation with someone new who spots my 770 or n810 included the line "No, it's not a phone", closely followed by "It's still not a phone".
The N900, having GSM hardware inside just confuses people even more.

It's easy to blame Nokia for people not paying attention to what they and others say about the device.

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So many trolls posting here since it launched. Why do they even bother. :P Mods should just go on a locking spree :)

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I'm seriously starting to wonder if Nokia-competitors are using these forums for black-ops negative marketing. I'm sure that Google's Android staff would "do no evil" but it must be very tempting for, say, Samsung or Apple sales people - or just fanbois - to come in here and slag off the N900.

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Thats quite funny in itself.

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I can understand the frustration on your part vasputin, i would expect alarms to play on the speakers no matter what.
Jumping into a forum announcing that it sucks however is not the way to enter a community.

Instead you could have looked through the bug list. If you did you'd have found this little gem on which you could have voted. This way this phone, and this community works.
So instead of complaining, try helping out. It takes a bit more effort i know, but it gets you better results.

I've ofcourse done this work for you and voted for this bug to be looked at. I suggest you and the other people experiencing this do the same (les allready has).

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I guess I am sticking my head in the lions den with this post, considering the treatment the first writer is getting. But here I go: I too have huge problems with my N900.

Just received it yesterday, and have been playing alot with it since then. I am constantly getting unexpected reboots, and in different application, email, maps, browser, photo album, music player, hermes, radio, gpodder etc, etc.

Am I just unlucky with my unit, or are other users experiencing something similar?

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Welcome.

Unfortunately other people are experiencing this as well.
There's also an accompanying bug report currently marked critical.

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Is the original poster trolling? He may have worded it wrong, but it does sound like Nokia have again launched a product with major bugs. I gave up on my N97 after seeing that the 2.0 update still left a lot to be desired (Sold it for a €250 loss), and placed an order in early October for a N900 - Nokia having assured me it would launch at the end of October.

I'm listening carefully to all the bug reports (portrait mode bug, mic bug, bluetooth bug) with €600 in my hands. If I read that these bugs are being exaggerated/resolved, I'll go for the N900 with gusto. If not, Android is my next phone.

There's no such thing as a netbook with phone functionality. If Nokia expect the public to believe that one in order to explain some phone function shortcomings, then their smartphone market share will continue to fall - of course it's a phone, and it's what the majority of N900 owners are buying it for - hence the increased interest vis-a-vis the previous N700/800/810.

Although he may have come across as a moany little git (Aw, jus' kidding), the poster is right - if I understand his complaints. If connected to a bluetooth headset, the ringtone should be audible through the phone's speakers, not the headset. If left connected to the headset during the night, any alarms should still come through the phone's speaker.

Can any other N900 owner actually confirm this?

Yes, this and other bugs will be fixed with updates, but surely after the problems with the initial N97 firmwares (and subsequent public reaction), Nokia would have been determined to start the N900 with a wave of positive reaction?

Still want the damned thing though - i'm currently in France, where any possible N900 will have an "azerty" keyboard, so I'll continue waiting.

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This whole "it is not a phone thing" charade is ridiculous, as it is just a software issue to implement all phone functions and somewhat implies that the Nokia guys have been lazy. However, I am fine with waiting a while to get the other stuff done. Nokia go.

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I think you should immediately contact the sales support. This is not supposed to be happening (well duh!) and mine works perfectly in all of those situations you just mentioned. There is nothing much that people here can actually help you with.

But since you mentioned about getting some heat the problem we have here is with people that actually just come here to vomit their frustrations, either cos they dont have luck with girls or cos they are just unhappy 30 year olds still living with mama, and start to blame everyone here. We are actually here cos we care about something and many of us (surprise!) are not paid to deliver answers.

You actually came with a valid concern and you deserve a proper answer. Dont be afraid to ask questions, fill bugs and so on...

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It's fine to do this here, just keep in mind that this is also a place for developers (including many Nokia folks and sub-contractors like myself), so the feedback you get may be accordingly (a good thing if you are actually looking for some information, a bad thing if you just want to vent). At least you are not going to get censored for your opinion here (if respectfully formed), no matter how negative it is for Nokia.

I am sure that many more end-user oriented forums will pop up in no time, if you prefer more disconnected places.

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maemo.org is independent of Nokia though. Only maemo.nokia.com is "official". I believe that this site's status could be called "endorsed" or "sponsored", but others will know that better than me.


That's not entirely true... It was built for everyone, although there is clearly a strong internet focus. I would argue that it's hard to find a better device, if your primary interests are accessing the web, IM, and VOIP. If you just want a simple phone with gimmicks, this is probably not it.

Only maemo.nokia.com is meant for end-users. This is the website of the open source maemo project.

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That's just plain rude. Try to write a desktop environment from scratch and don't overlook any software issues, then we can talk again about "laziness". No amount of testing can protect you from that, that is also why major iterations of other operating systems (like Vista, OS X, or the iPhone OS) were anything but flawless.

As a consumer you always have the choice whether you jump right in and be one of the first to use something entirely new, or wait a while until most of the kinks have been ironed out.

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I have been loving this forum as it has actually been about the device and not about the N95 vs iphone stuff going over in certain forums. Nothing wrong what vasputin is doing here as the problems need to be said, but maybe post to the threads that already are out there and get some actual disussion going on.
OSX, Android 1.0, WebOS all had their share of problems from the start and still have. The thing is that we get those fixed before Harmattan/Maemo 6 comes out next year ;)

Some other good sites for N900 might be
http://forum2.mobile-review.com// (that has been down for 1-2 days now by some reason?)
Or example http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=521 Maemo section

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With all due respect Kanishou ; That's just naive. Nokia cannot afford for consumers to wait for kinks to be ironed out. The result of that would be the situation faced with the N97. The N97 has tarnished Nokia's image - hardware and software issues still remain long after launch. Many N97 owners look to the N900 to redeem Nokia, and if they were to read about the many bugs currently on the N900, they might easily be dissuaded. In other words, if consumers buy a buggy phone, chances are they won't wait long enough for several updates (Hell, I'll wager that the average consumer doesn't even know what an update is, let alone how to do the update!) and will move on to a stable environment.

Thank heavens Nokia did delay the launch until now(ish). The criticism of the pre-launch models would have been immense, and hopefully most of the bugs will be fixed with frequent updates.

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I'd be more then happy to do that. Can you please point me in the right direction. Where exactly do i file BUG REPORT with Nokia in regards to N900?

Thanks!

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can we have a bashing subforum? ;) this would help to clear out the view here...
im reading here since 1-2 years since i bought the n810, but now with the 900 the forum goes bonkers with all the people who drop in and have nothing constructive to say ... too sad

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So you are saying it would have been better for Nokia's image not to release the N900 at all, rather than risk another release with possible flaws. Well, we just have to agree to disagree on that front.

Unfortunately there is no magical way to guarantee that software is bug-free, especially when it is a completely new development.

P.S.: And honestly, why anyone would look at the N900 to redeem Nokia from an unstable N97 release is completely beyond me. The N900 should have been the last phone to have this expectation, considering that it is _far_ more experimental than the N97. There is a reason why the N97 was marketed as a flagship device and the N900 is not.

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Be careful in saying this here cos you cant actually say that you like maemo or n900 here since you are accused of being a fanboy...

Its like going to a U2 concert and being shooshed and bashed if you clap..

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Have you ever spent time to explore the site even? Flashing a newer firmware gets these problems fixed! Try the 5.0.42.11 Global release firmware.

Even bothered to see bugszilla section?

Just one small bug makes you send back the best device Nokia ever created since the E90... you really need to think twice and hang on to it.

Give it time, newer firmware updates will just make your experience into a pleasant one.

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tutut, anyone else starting to get nausea from his whining?

barfbarf!

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_CqtZ6YfaifQ/St...Qgkw/barfd.jpg

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But the thing is: Nokia told us all this beforehand! They were clear the Maemo was not yet ready for consumer smartphone use, hence they were releasing a step 4 of 5 - a mobile computer with phone functionality.

It is not about lazy, it is about Maemo not yet being ready for all that we have come to expect from smartphones. Call it being late, if you must. It is a mobile computer first, a phone second because of this - they told us that, very clear, very honest. If that is not a product for you, that is OK, but don't act like Nokia didn't announce this and design it like this.

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I think this all is comprehensible.. After all, this is a experimental phone, but some people found it to be so awesome, and created a so big hype, that normal people are buying it thinking it's a final/consumer version and demanding it to be far superior then competition.

That's the effect of misinformation: hell on our Maemo forums :P

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This is, of course, exactly what happened. A lot of the media attention too has misunderstood or misreported what this device is all about. (And I'm sure plenty of overly eager Nokia salespeople and PR guys to blame too.)

Do not buy the N900 expecting a ready-made smartphone experience! Please don't, you'll just be disappointed.

If on the other hand you want a mobile computer with good browsing experience, great multi-tasking operating system and open source potential - as well as a device that can do most of your phone needs too, then the N900 might be for you.

The N900 is certainly near perfect for me. All I miss is a bit more content of course, rSAP would be nice, MMS I might need occasionally. And please, fix that playlist management for those who need it. Otherwise, this is the best device with phone I've owned. The screen is absolutely brilliant and stylus-navigation kicks my iPod touch's butt. Like I said earlier, I even moved my iTunes library to the N900 and just love browsing those albums covers on this great screen (so many of them fit at a time) - before I used an iPod separately from my phones.

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I'll tell you, what your problem is:

You shouldn't be loyal, you should use your damn brain. The n900 is obviously not meant for the regular user. It hower _does_ offer an insane amount of opportunity to the avarage linux geek, who knows exactly what he wants and has learned to cope with the disatvantages of linux. The advantages far outweigh the downsides. If these advantages aren't of any use to you, the n900 is rubbish. Why did you buy it. It is not for you.

If it wasn't for you damn Nokia fanbois, I'd have an n900 is my hands by now. Why do you just run off buying devices blindly without reading any reviews. It was obvious for a long time that it lacks some functionality that might be important to you.

Stop biŧching.

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@kanishou

Yup - we'll agree to disagree. Yes I am definitely saying that Nokia should not have released the N900 as is. There are serious bugs out there - random calls, microphone problems (apparently due to the Nokia charger supplying 5.3V!), bluetooth problems, contacts dissapearing, devices rebooting randomly and so on. Of course bugs will be around, but I feel Nokia rushed this one out again. These bugs have been reported within days of being released. Don't tell me Nokia's testers didn't spot them, and pushed ahead with the launch.

I am not a developer, nor is my knowledge with Linux vast. However when you say completely new development, my understanding is that the N900 is a continuation of the N700/N800/N810, and that Maemo has been around for years now.

The reason that Nokia need the N900 to redeem itself is because of the shakyness of the N97. Confidence in Nokia's products has been dented, and we look to the N900 to restore that confidence. As you say, the N97 was marketed as the flagship device, but faced criticism over the OS, processor, available RAM, UI, stability and hardware (camera lens cover) - when a device was announced that improved all these issues, it makes sense to see it as being a superior device - and it is. It's early days yet, but I still think that some of the bugs could have been tracked down before launch.

To be honest I don't have an N900 yet, but will still get one regardless. I'm prepared for all of the above bugs, because they all sound fixable via updates (apart from the possible charger fault). However, I think sales will suffer.

Again, has anyone else had these bluetooth issues the poster refers to?

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@pspbricker, I think the main problem here it's not people spotting bugs. The problem is the constant *****ing on the forums. It's typical behavior of average consumer, they want their devices to work flawlessly, and they are right, but the point is, this device is not consumer ready, it's a toy for developers (a very nice, powerful and expensive toy I must say :P), so these kind of people shouldn't buying these devices..

This is a situation that's bad for everyone, us, Maemo 4 users, because the forum is becoming useless for us, Nokia, because their image is being destroyed, the public of the N900 is intended for, because they get angry and annoyed with all the ranting, and even people like the original poster, that probably all he wanted was a "jesus phone", but got a technology preview of it..

How to fix it? Well, bloggers, stop the hype, advertise it as what the real thing is, a developer's phone

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I've (almost) always had Nokias since I have mobile phones (3200, 3300, brief time with Ericsson T68i, 6600,N80) and the N80 has *really* *really* disappointed me and, at the time, I said "Nokia no more".

But I reconsidered with the N900 - it's an amazing device, and when the competition is either the iPhone, the various Androids or the Pre (the Windows Mobile ones are not even competition for me) the choice is clear.

Having said that, Nokia better step up their game. Their acquisition of Trolltech was pure genius and I hope their Qt-fueled revamp of S60 and the new Maemo platform goes well, because an Apple dominated market is not good at all, as IMO it stifles creativity and certain freedoms for the sake of what THEY think is OK for you to do with YOUR phone. But shipping 600€ phones with obvious bugs is NOT COOL - whether you're a techie (who can live with it) or an Average Joe (or Joanne).

I'm trying to get an N900 in Portugal (it's almost impossible) and the main focus, for me, are the non-phone features - the "phone" part of the phone itself is almost an afterthought for me.

HOWEVER, since the thing costs 600€, I did my research - obviously! And dudes and dudettes: if you haven't, I don't get your total absence of money-loving :)