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Flandry 2010-01-11 16:59

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 464525)
I suspect that the cache is used to prevent seeking to numerous places on disk (irrelevant for flash-based N900) and to prevent the need to resize icons for different purposes (probably not necessary on the N900). This would make the cache rather a waste of time and space on the N900.

I could be wrong though <shugs>.

Both of them good thoughts, though. Makes sense to me.

mikkov 2010-01-11 17:09

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 464510)
This is really off topic, but that's an interesting move by the developers. Presumably an icon cache is used to improve performance. Why do you suppose it was removed? Not just because it was slightly cosmetically broken, i hope. :D

Here's some info about icon cahe removal https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450#c34

murat 2010-01-11 17:15

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
After the update to the new firmware (44-1) the command
Code:

uname -a
still returns "Linux Nokia N900-42-11".

A bug?

I hope this will not cause any further problems (app manager checking current version before doing another firmware update?)

Btw; the date at the end of the version string has changed to "Fri Dec 11 13:33:12".

Flandry 2010-01-11 17:24

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 464557)
Here's some info about icon cahe removal https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450#c34

Thanks for the link. So as suspected it's a hack. It happens to have both postitive and negative side effects, but probably worthwhile overall.

Thiis 2010-01-11 17:48

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 463756)
I think it's more for being able to install PR 1.1 on systems where users have installed unoptified stuff. Anyway, a "larger" rootfs is always good. Better compression yields more space.

yed that'd deffinatly better. mine is always on 93 whith no messages. still wander if that is the defined location for apps as that is always full. I cant download the update now because my destinylocation is full.

Flandry 2010-01-11 18:08

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Sure wish everyone could just see the changelog in HAM. Like this bug. Vote. :)

RevdKathy 2010-01-11 18:10

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikec (Post 464357)
Heres the new Application Manager
My Download in the UK went sweet.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2735/...f652c2a049.jpg

My App manager is missing the icons - I just have the titles. I tried the obvious reboot - any suggestions?

AndiThebest 2010-01-11 18:12

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
could it be that the cpu usage is now lower after the update? my cpu widget shows constantly 2% in idle, i think it was 3-4% before. could anyone confirm that? if its true, the device would have more battery live time.

Rauha 2010-01-11 18:15

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 464728)
My App manager is missing the icons - I just have the titles. I tried the obvious reboot - any suggestions?

Are you using 3rd party theme? They don't support new icons yet. Official ones from Nokia should have new icon.

oxpo 2010-01-11 18:20

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RevdKathy (Post 464728)
My App manager is missing the icons - I just have the titles. I tried the obvious reboot - any suggestions?

You could try scrolling down (swipe up)

/oxpo

RevdKathy 2010-01-11 18:23

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 464741)
Are you using 3rd party theme? They don't support new icons yet. Official ones from Nokia should have new icon.

Bingo - spot on. I was using 'Reflect' from extras.

Now I'm using 'alpine' in advance of tomorrow's weather. :D

m_sparks 2010-01-11 18:32

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by salah99 (Post 464319)
why Nokia didn't fix the restart bug in this update? :(

release early, release often.

:cool::cool:

MatMat 2010-01-11 18:45

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murat (Post 464575)
After the update to the new firmware (44-1) the command
Code:

uname -a
still returns "Linux Nokia N900-42-11".
A bug?
Btw; the date at the end of the version string has changed to "Fri Dec 11 13:33:12".

No, this is the name your N900 have. ;)
Edit /etc/hostname to change it for something else you like it. :)

jpandrusky 2010-01-11 19:14

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Do we know if this affected bluetooth at all? I just bought a set of bluetooth headphones, which seemed to be working just fine on the weekend.granted I only listened for about 10 minutes on the weekend and they worked fine, but now when I use them, they cut out and back in at intervals of anywhere between 10 seconds to 1 minute. Is this a known usual that I never noticed before or is it new? Is anyone else experiencing this? Just thought I'd ask before re-formatting back to 42 to test the issue.

EDIT

Nevermind, been testing the old firmware, drops just as much.

MOC 2010-01-11 20:14

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Hi.

I've found a little thing that has changed. You are no longer bumped up to the top of the applications list after you've installed an app.

Nice.

Razumichin 2010-01-11 20:50

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
So what about red pill mode? Gone forever now? :/

jjx 2010-01-11 21:07

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Death Scythe (Post 464436)
I heard this fixes the ringtone bug; the ringtone now plays on the phone when a headset (wired/bluetooth) is connected.

Grr. I consider that a regression :( I do not want the device suddenly making a noise that everyone else can hear when I'm listening on headphones thinking it's quiet for everyone else.

jjx 2010-01-11 21:10

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AndiThebest (Post 464735)
could it be that the cpu usage is now lower after the update? my cpu widget shows constantly 2% in idle, i think it was 3-4% before. could anyone confirm that? if its true, the device would have more battery live time.

I think you might be right. Before the browser was using 4% constantly when it had a window backgrounded containing a static page - from this site. It's dropped a lot.

Or it might just be the fresh reboot effect.

wmarone 2010-01-11 21:21

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Razumichin (Post 465086)
So what about red pill mode? Gone forever now? :/

Wasn't red pill mode a holdover from Diablo and earlier? I don't seem to quite grasp what it did, although I do recall many people who have been here a while advising against using it on the N900.

Death Scythe 2010-01-11 21:29

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jjx (Post 465127)
Grr. I consider that a regression :( I do not want the device suddenly making a noise that everyone else can hear when I'm listening on headphones thinking it's quiet for everyone else.

Ironically, I came across a thread some weeks ago with some N900 users complaining that they wanted the ringtone to play in the headset and the phone as well so they didn't have to wear the headset all the time. This was when the ringtone would only play in the headset and not one the phone whislt connected.

Keeping the phone in silent with vibrate on while wearing the headset would be a solution.

ArmandHammer 2010-01-11 21:39

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Is there an official changelog? Im interested in knowing what really has changed.
seems like my gmail is actually syncing now.

sygys 2010-01-11 21:39

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
its always the same problem! with nokia devices. always they make the root memory too low! why isn't nokia learning from their mistakes. how many times didn't we read about people having problems with the n97 saying not enough memory when trying to install and open programs.

they could easily make it 16 GB by now! the internal memory of the n96 was 75 mb after a few months it allready was full and when trying to install ovi maps 3.0 i got the message like 7 times in one installation.

This is stupid it really is! some one should make a fix to readress memory to other partitions!

Second of all this was not the release some people were testing! this is 44.1. the version a few in the community are testing is 51.1 so this is a minor fix. i really hope the next one will come soon and be a biggy

Flandry 2010-01-11 21:55

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 465151)
Wasn't red pill mode a holdover from Diablo and earlier? I don't seem to quite grasp what it did

It made destroying a working N900 as easy as clicking a few buttons. :D

Don't worry, the only ones who are sad to see that go are the ones who shouldn't have been using it. You're not missing out on anything.

VDVsx 2010-01-11 22:01

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 465151)
Wasn't red pill mode a holdover from Diablo and earlier? I don't seem to quite grasp what it did, although I do recall many people who have been here a while advising against using it on the N900.

Hint: Red pill mode will allow you to browse the OVI store and install stuff directly.

qwazix 2010-01-11 22:25

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
i noticed that after the update conversations tries to sign in all accounts until success. in the old fw it stayed offline on some accounts after an error, until i signed off from everything and then back on
red pill gone means we' ve got to dpkg deb files? I would like to have a gui method. Hate console-ing on this keyboard.
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casper27 2010-01-11 22:26

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Red pill mode has been disabled in this release.
one good change i have noticed which seems to have gone unmentioned is when you install an application in manager. It stays at the application place where you where instead of going back to the alphabetical start that always drove me mad. Little things make me happier.

wmarone 2010-01-11 22:32

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VDVsx (Post 465239)
Hint: Red pill mode will allow you to browse the OVI store and install stuff directly.

Not getting it. I have yet to see how a special mode offers more "direct" installation than using apt-get on the command line, or what Red Pill mode had to do with the Ovi Store.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sygys (Post 465194)
they could easily make it 16 GB by now! the internal memory of the n96 was 75 mb after a few months it allready was full and when trying to install ovi maps 3.0 i got the message like 7 times in one installation.

Considering that at the time the N900 was designed the largest chip that existed was 256MBytes, I hardly think this is surprising. At least there is an internal solution (reserving 2GB of the internal 32GB), unlike on the Android devices.

egoshin 2010-01-11 23:19

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by casper27 (Post 465290)
Red pill mode has been disabled in this release.

And how I can remove some libraries which were installed as dependency after application removal? (for exam: gonvert pulls libilluminate0 and after removal of it libilluminate0 still leaves on device). Yes, I know about apt-get autoremove but this is weapon of mass destruction. Blue pill Application Manager doesn't show any library at all.

The second question to people who did install PR1.0.1 about red pill absense - with PR1.0 (42-11) Application Manager shows only 'user' section of repository.maemo.org catalogs and doesm't show 'admin' etc without red pill. How do I get access to this in Application manager? Or we all need to go back to command tools?

GeneralAntilles 2010-01-11 23:51

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by egoshin (Post 465370)
And how I can remove some libraries which were installed as dependency after application removal? (for exam: gonvert pulls libilluminate0 and after removal of it libilluminate0 still leaves on device). Yes, I know about apt-get autoremove but this is weapon of mass destruction. Blue pill Application Manager doesn't show any library at all.

The second question to people who did install PR1.0.1 about red pill absense - with PR1.0 (42-11) Application Manager shows only 'user' section of repository.maemo.org catalogs and doesm't show 'admin' etc without red pill. How do I get access to this in Application manager? Or we all need to go back to command tools?

Both of the issues are easily and effectively solved by the use of apt-get.

wmarone 2010-01-11 23:58

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 465405)
Both of the issues are easily and effectively solved by the use of apt-get.

I suppose this calls for an auto-cleanup or a "Cleanup" button in the Application Manager. I like having the console as much as any other *nix geek here, but reclaiming space used by unused packages shouldn't require it (especially with apt.)

CrashandDie 2010-01-12 00:06

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 465409)
I suppose this calls for an auto-cleanup or a "Cleanup" button in the Application Manager. I like having the console as much as any other *nix geek here, but reclaiming space used by unused packages shouldn't require it (especially with apt.)

Agreed, could you create a bug for this? However, before creating it, make sure it doesn't already exist in the bugtracker. Creating bugs really is the most effective way to improve the quality of Maemo as a whole.

famusc 2010-01-12 00:10

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
I just updated with apt-get because no update showed up in application manager... But settings->about still reports old software version.
I think this update didn't perform the /dev/mtd1 update, since osso-product-info shows old version as well.

Is there a way to update /dev/mtd1 so not to have to flash from scratch?

egoshin 2010-01-12 00:18

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 465405)
Both of the issues are easily and effectively solved by the use of apt-get.

My General, I know about 'rm -fr' - it works better. I even still remember last time then I used 'clri' command ... but I believe that automation of process and simplifying our life is a goal.

egoshin 2010-01-12 00:30

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 465409)
I suppose this calls for an auto-cleanup or a "Cleanup" button in the Application Manager. I like having the console as much as any other *nix geek here, but reclaiming space used by unused packages shouldn't require it (especially with apt.)

Actually NO. More precisely - this definitely would be nice but my call is to have a single interface to application management but not many. 'apt' interface is powerful, but there is 'aptude' for a reason. And Hildon Application manager (+ PackageView, of course) gives (ok, looks like .. gave) some power to GUI application management.

aspidites 2010-01-12 00:39

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
hmm... they renamed Extras in the application catalogs to maemo.org. Any way to change this back?

/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues is no help...

VDVsx 2010-01-12 00:55

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aspidites (Post 465466)
hmm... they renamed Extras in the application catalogs to maemo.org. Any way to change this back?

/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues is no help...

In the app manager, click on the catalog and rename it :D

Dargo 2010-01-12 00:55

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikec (Post 464357)
Heres the new Application Manager
My Download in the UK went sweet.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2735/...f652c2a049.jpg

I updated mine and its not even close to that image, mine its still tha same way wtf?

aspidites 2010-01-12 00:56

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VDVsx (Post 465481)
In the app manager, click on the catalog and rename it :D

You can't. In fact, you can't rename or delete any of the pre-installed catalogs from within app manager. Come on now, I'm not THAT daft...

aspidites 2010-01-12 00:59

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Dargo, do you have one of the pre-installed themes selected or a custom one? Cathy was having the same problem until she switched back to default theme

VDVsx 2010-01-12 01:51

Re: 1.2009.44-1 Changelog?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aspidites (Post 465484)
You can't. In fact, you can't rename or delete any of the pre-installed catalogs from within app manager. Come on now, I'm not THAT daft...

Ups sorry, I've a different FW version, but that's a bit strange, why on earth the user can't personalize the name of the repositories o_0.


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