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Wouldn't it be preferable to have objective people on a council rather than hyped up fanboys/moderators that does nothing about the hostility that the members here express towards anyone that dares to complain about a Nokia device?

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I don't see any council members, current or past, who fit that description.

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Only thing that i would ask from moderators is that they should merge all the complain threads and perm ban people who dont take hint for changing their attitude after one warning.

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Well, that's a bit extreme, slender, but your sentiment is understood.

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Perm ban is bit too much but some particular user gets really to my nerves.

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Define "objective".

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Err, well, the next election is fast approaching. Please feel free to nominate and vote for the person or people you feel will do the best job.

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Probably I just don't have the overview, what is pushed by the Community council and what is "tackled" by the community. Probably, I also have a different concept of what is being solved ;-)

Somehow I would imagine a more visible highlight for the official business. A forum is good channel to discuss, but I do not really find the active Campaigns (or whatever these can be called).

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We have not reached the state of formality you may have expected. I'm not sure how much desire for that there is, either... although I do wish for a bit more, myself.

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The council's primary goal is one of facilitation. So the idea really isn't to be very high profile and noticeable, but to work in the background connecting people and helping them make things happen.

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Speak for yourself, Texrat.

I am a totally hyped-up fanboy/moderator that does nothing* about any of the hostility of the members here, neither for nor against Nokia.

I actually have utter disdain for both camps.

The Maemo division of Nokia has made some amazing devices, and I think they're some of the best mobile devices ever designed, but they're a bunch of people, just like us, and they make mistakes, sometimes big ones. They also make lots of choices that I don't agree with. But Nokia's a big company that has to make a profit for its shareholders, and they've got lots of focus groups who tell them what people really like, and I'm just some hyped-up fanboy/moderator guy, so what do I know?

The long, tedious threads where people yell at each other about how crappy the Nokia product they purchased is or how crappy some competitor's product is are really boring for me. They're all the same thread, over and over. I think the passionate defenders are worse than the trolls, because it looks to me like they're getting totally played... and, even stranger to me, like some kind of weird fetishists, they seem to actually like it. I mean, why would you keep arguing with trolls unless it turned you on somehow?

:) Thus spake the qole.

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Ok, I was just being polite in your case. :p

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What, no questions after the merger?

That's okay, I don't think any of us have an answers just yet...

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here it is:
do you think listing the valuable things in maemo and maemo community to bring to meego, would help in making the change easier? :)

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44581

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LOL, I think everyone is trying to figure out the fallout. 239 Messages already, not many "Facts".

But I guess most important question to get answered for the council is will their still be a community council?

Nathan

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I think it could... but that really comes down to who is actually managing this event.

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THAT is the big one for me, certainly. I had planned on running again for mainly transition's sake. Now we have a transition of a different sort to consider, and the question I have for me personally is: am I relevant?

I'll of course let the other council members speak for themselves...

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Seems that the damage to the community is already showing. I might not agree 100% with you but I hope the best for you dude... (gosh, it even sounded like a farewell)

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until i know what the merger means and how it will affect me as a consumer and trainee coder i'm just going to keep reading.
personally hoping the changes are a benefit.

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Yes, I have a lot of reading and synthesizing to do. I don't want to speculate further without a better understanding of what's going on.

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Well, if you're looking for questions, here's one that it should be possible to answer - who (if anyone) on the Community Council knew about this before Feb 15th?

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One thing really bugs me: how can we make sure that the council becomes meego council too? That would smooth the ride for sure :)

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I can't answer that for anyone else. I didn't know specifically, myself... I knew *some* big change was coming but that's no more than the rest of you knew based on rumor. I had also been asked to hold off on all the work I'd been doing, which led me to suspect it would become unnecessary, which hinted to me that community identity was at stake.

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It certainly should, but what about the Moblin community?

Maybe it makes sense to form a transition team out of current leadership from both sides. Yeah, it sounds dictatorial to suspend elections, but... :rolleyes:

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Expand the council? Have them elect their own transitional council and have the two councils work together with the next election to be a combined council? Have each group choose a champion for a fight to the death, and the winning side gets their council in charge?

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Problem with suspending elections is that the current council sure as hell didn't sign up to be the fall guys through a process like this. You might want the job, (and I'd vote for ya!) but your co-councillors may not feel the same way.

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Yeah, I was bracing myself when I saw a "mullf" post here... :D

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You're absolutely correct. Right now I cannot say what is the best overall method for transition, much less get behind any details...

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Moblin doesn't seem to have close match to community council.
Comparison of Maemo and Moblin community resources. Closest match is Moblin Steering Committee and all it's members seem to have Intel e-mail adress...

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I really would like to see a Transitional council named as soon as it is feasible to do. If current council members would stay for the ride, that's even better (quicker).

In my experience however, transitional activity is labor intense, so you could have ppl stay and elect new ones too.

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I'd like to see council help make direction as they should have a better outlook on the community. And help giving maemo.org a place in MeeGo, even if it requires a lot of arguing. :P

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I can assure you I did not, and I was very mad to find out via email from another community member.

Very Very WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!

We were not informed in ANY way prior to or after the public announcement..........

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You're not willing to die for your constituents?

*hands the rat a Bat'leth*

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I will say this: there's an absurdly short amount of time until the nomination deadline, and the election itself too given this advent...

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Considering that Nokia did not feel it was important to inform the council members of any of this I'm not sure there is a big need to continue with a Maemo Council at all.

Assume that there would be no council starting...tomorrow - and Nokia would continue down the MeeGo path - what would really change?

There would still be a product, there would still be forums (official or fan-run), there would still be app development (official or fan-created). Moderators on forums would make sure things ran smoothly, etc. Not too much different than how other products (Nikon, etc) are handled really.

Maybe it is just easier to have some legacy site for the die-hard (or now stuck?) Maemo users and let Nokia run the MeeGo efforts.

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That's a fair point. Nokia seems to have done this entirely off their own bat, without informing, let alone consulting the council. What do Nokia think the Council are for?

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Yes I think it's safe to say a Maemo council is rather pointless going forward.

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My bad. I should had written "Any kind of council".
But my questions are still the same - what would happen if there would be no more council tomorrow and the Nokia just continues down the path that they apparently have chosen?

Being that Nokia is a big, well established company I would assume they have already planned out how this transition will happen and I don't personally see their interest in having a relationship with a 'Council'.

For some time I have actually thought of the Council as an entity that validates themselves rather than actually being needed.

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There are certain aspects that made this whole MeeGo union feels like it's a product of arranged marriage that resulted in a badly named child made out of good genes...

But it's only natural that we all feel this [confusion|annoyance|shock|awe] because maemo is already part of our identity.

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Yeah, in hindsight, the tattoos were a bad idea.