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planetf1 2010-01-31 20:28
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
once i added the facebook plugin and enabled the account I only see a few of my facebook contacts. why would this be. are there setting for plugin or in facebook that affect this?

toninikkanen 2010-01-31 20:35
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
I tried the Facebook chat and it was really neat and worked as expected at first - but then I started noticing that as I am simultaneously logged into Facebook from my desktop web browser, that session gets continuously logged out as long as I have the IM part in N900 enabled. That's not nice.

biggzy 2010-01-31 20:40
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
i updated to v0.8 this morning but in IM accounts facebook is not there, anyone shed any light on the subjuct plz? ta

Reflektorfalke 2010-01-31 20:44
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggzy (Post 504203)
i updated to v0.8 this morning but in IM accounts facebook is not there, anyone shed any light on the subjuct plz? ta
Same here, after installling also Pidgin protocols plugin for Conversations and Contacts everything worked.

hwong_pz 2010-01-31 20:48
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by felipec (Post 504089)
The confusion goes beyond that because Extra Protocol Plugins For Conversations And Contacts 0.8 actually includes both:
  • Pidgin Protocols Plugin For Conversations And Contacts 0.8 (includes msn)
  • MSN Protocol Plugin For Conversations And Contacts 0.8
Really? I always thought only MSN Protocol Plugin for Conversations and Contacts is part of Extra Protocol Plugins for Conversations and Contacts where both uses telepathy-butterfly for MSN, while Pidgin Protocols Plugin for Conversations and Contacts uses telepathy-haze on the other hand. Packages included in both "Extra Protocol Plugins for Conversations and Contacts" and "Pidgin Protocols Plugin for Conversations and Contacts" are different as well.

@biggzy: have you tried restarting the device after the update? Try apt-get update then apt-upgrade in xterm if you still don't see the plugin for facebook

salah99 2010-01-31 21:02
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by felipec (Post 504089)
The confusion goes beyond that because Extra Protocol Plugins For Conversations And Contacts 0.8 actually includes both:
  • Pidgin Protocols Plugin For Conversations And Contacts 0.8 (includes msn)
  • MSN Protocol Plugin For Conversations And Contacts 0.8
What does that mean? :confused:
If I installed Extra Protocol Plugins For Conversations And Contacts 0.8, which MSN I need to use? Pidgin MSN or the other one? :confused::confused:

hwong_pz 2010-01-31 21:06
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salah99 (Post 504231)
What does that mean? :confused:
If I installed Extra Protocol Plugins For Conversations And Contacts 0.8, which MSN I need to use? Pidgin MSN or the other one? :confused::confused:
Only MSN Plugin for Conversations and Contacts is included in Extra Protocol Plugins for Conversations and Contacts.

You can see all packages actually installed if you go Application Manager > Uninstall > Extra Plugin for Conversations and Contacts > Details. You'll find MSN Plugin for Conversations and Contacts inside

planetf1 2010-01-31 21:09
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
getting same issue with non persistance of merged facebook contacts

natmaster 2010-01-31 21:15
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by felipec (Post 504089)
The confusion goes beyond that because Extra Protocol Plugins For Conversations And Contacts 0.8 actually includes both:
  • Pidgin Protocols Plugin For Conversations And Contacts 0.8 (includes msn)
  • MSN Protocol Plugin For Conversations And Contacts 0.8
Does this mean If I install Extra Protocol Plugins For Conversations And Contacts 0.8, I am really just installing both of those, and there is nothing different from the pidgin plugin?

biggzy 2010-01-31 21:22
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hwong_pz (Post 504217)
@biggzy: have you tried restarting the device after the update? Try apt-get update then apt-upgrade in xterm if you still don't see the plugin for facebook
yes tried rebooting 4 times, what does apt-get update and apt-upgrade actualy do? thanx

hwong_pz 2010-01-31 21:36
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggzy (Post 504257)
yes tried rebooting 4 times, what does apt-get update and apt-upgrade actualy do? thanx
apt-get update ensures your device's database is in synced with respective repository and apt-get upgrade "updates" out-of-date packages on the local device with new versions available on the repository. You'll need internet connection for this and make sure application manager is not running or apt-get will return error.

One good example is if you previously had pidgin extra plugin protocol for contacts and conversation installed, you'll notice another app called pidgin bonjour and sametime will be installed along with it. For some unknown reason bonjour and sametime will not be removed even after you uninstalled the pidgin extra plugins. apt-get update then apt-get upgrade can get rid of it.

jakivi 2010-02-01 09:39
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbs11 (Post 503124)
i have installed this plugin and i think its great BUT, when i look in my N900 contacts and see the facebook contacts online i can not successfully merge the facebook contact to the device contacts.
for example: i log onto facebook chat (via VoIP and IM accounts > utilising conservations capability) and I see the contacts who are online. I can merge to their relevant contact profile (on N900) but, if i log out of FB, and then log back in, the FB chatters are no longer assigned to the relevant N900 Contact Profile. Merging becomes pointless because everytime i merge (from loggin in, and out) it adds another FB field into the N900 contact profile with the same details.

Is this something everyone else is experiencing??
(hope iv explained that ok).
Same here.
btw. Would it be nice if Hermes fetches the chat ID and merges it into existing contact?

bigbrovar 2010-02-01 10:54
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Nice add on am sure it would be very usuful but I doubt i would be able to use because it problem doesnt support network proxy like 100% of the internet awared maemo applications out there :(

zerojay 2010-02-01 10:59
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbrovar (Post 504869)
Nice add on am sure it would be very usuful but I doubt i would be able to use because it problem doesnt support network proxy like 100% of the internet awared maemo applications out there :(
Why don't you try it first, hmm?

jaxxstorm 2010-02-01 12:32
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbrovar (Post 504869)
Nice add on am sure it would be very usuful but I doubt i would be able to use because it problem doesnt support network proxy like 100% of the internet awared maemo applications out there :(
Did you every trying setting http_proxy in xterm or are you just going to moan continuously?

bigbrovar 2010-02-01 14:23
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxxstorm (Post 505007)
Did you every trying setting http_proxy in xterm or are you just going to moan continuously?
That only works with apps that use libcurls. and when you add your proxy to /etc/profile guess what would happen. The browser would cease to work. so yeah you might be able to get gpodder and maemo and some few apps to connect to the internet. your broswer would stop working. and to use the browser, you would need to open terminal and use vi to comment out the http_proxy line. reboot the device and then you can use the browser ( which would mean you wont be able to use any other app till you uncomment the http_proxy line and reboot the device again). you also have to do the same thing if you want to use a 3g network or use another wireless connection which doesnt require proxy.,. now if add proxy to /etc/profile fixes all the problem than i would be a happier man but it doesnt. it works with only apps that use libcurls which are much. so you still miss out on internet radio, qik, conversation and all the plugin (twitter,irc,yahoo, msn etc) wikitunes, mastory.
I have used symbian, windows, mac, iphoneOS, LInux (kde and gnome) and maemo has the worst proxy support I have ever seen in an OS. Appalling is an understatement

bigbrovar 2010-02-01 14:26
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 504877)
Why don't you try it first, hmm?
I have tried it and its still didnt work. I have a bug filed for like every internet aware 3rd party app I use because they all dont work with the system wide proxy settings you add to your wifi profile. I feel the pain so i know exactly what am talking about. 100% of 3rd party apps on maemo dont have proxy support. It has been a problem with the N810 but things just nose dived with N900. If you are behind a network proxy like your main connection is through a proxy (like many university students and cooperate workers) Just forget the N900 infact only the web browser and skype works.. no other core app works. no Internet radio, no gtalk, even though application manager works you need to use your proxy IP address instead of the hostname other wise the nokia repo wont load... Has if that is not enough.. you wont be able to use gpodder,mauku,qik,OMWeather,all the cool conversation pluggin, wikitunes .. i mean just think of any application that requires internet to work.. there would fail on the N900 if you are behind a proxy. and yeah I have filed a bug against almost everyone of them.. so am not just sitting down groaning

jak 2010-02-01 14:41
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by planetf1 (Post 504185)
once i added the facebook plugin and enabled the account I only see a few of my facebook contacts. why would this be. are there setting for plugin or in facebook that affect this?
Facebook only exports contacts which are online in their chat API, so the remaining ones will be added as soon as they log in to facebook.

felipec 2010-02-01 15:03
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hwong_pz (Post 504217)
Really? I always thought only MSN Protocol Plugin for Conversations and Contacts is part of Extra Protocol Plugins for Conversations and Contacts where both uses telepathy-butterfly for MSN, while Pidgin Protocols Plugin for Conversations and Contacts uses telepathy-haze on the other hand. Packages included in both "Extra Protocol Plugins for Conversations and Contacts" and "Pidgin Protocols Plugin for Conversations and Contacts" are different as well.
Check the dependencies of telepathy-extras (Extra Protocol Plugins For Conversations And Contacts):

Code:
Depends:account-plugin-haze, account-plugin-butterfly, account-plugin-salut
So, if you install telepathy-extras, you would have both telepathy-haze, and telepathy-butterfly.

zerojay 2010-02-01 15:05
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbrovar (Post 505143)
I have tried it and its still didnt work. I have a bug filed for like every internet aware 3rd party app I use because they all dont work with the system wide proxy settings you add to your wifi profile. I feel the pain so i know exactly what am talking about. 100% of 3rd party apps on maemo dont have proxy support. It has been a problem with the N810 but things just nose dived with N900. If you are behind a network proxy like your main connection is through a proxy (like many university students and cooperate workers) Just forget the N900 infact only the web browser and skype works.. no other core app works. no Internet radio, no gtalk, even though application manager works you need to use your proxy IP address instead of the hostname other wise the nokia repo wont load... Has if that is not enough.. you wont be able to use gpodder,mauku,qik,OMWeather,all the cool conversation pluggin, wikitunes .. i mean just think of any application that requires internet to work.. there would fail on the N900 if you are behind a proxy. and yeah I have filed a bug against almost everyone of them.. so am not just sitting down groaning
If Skype works, Facebook should as well. They both use telepathy, so they should both be equally aware of proxies.

felipec 2010-02-01 15:09
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxxstorm (Post 505007)
Did you every trying setting http_proxy in xterm or are you just going to moan continuously?
That's not the right way to set the proxy: Settings -> Internet connections -> Connections -> (select connection) -> Edit -> Next -> Next (until you see the advanced button)

Then you'll see a "proxies" tab.

I've no idea what actually makes use of those proxy settings, probably nothing from telepathy does it.

I I'll read that from msn-pecan, and maybe try to patch telepathy-haze as well.

felipec 2010-02-01 15:14
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 505210)
If Skype works, Facebook should as well. They both use telepathy, so they should both be equally aware of proxies.
Wrong. AFAIU telepathy doesn't provide a centralized way to get configurations; and even if it did; one telepathy CM might have proxy support implemented, while another one wouldn't.

Same goes for libpurple plugins, although libpurple makes it easier for plugins, so chances are if one works the rest would too.

IOW you can't really assume anything.

bigbrovar 2010-02-01 16:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 505210)
If Skype works, Facebook should as well. They both use telepathy, so they should both be equally aware of proxies.
No they dont. were they heck did you get that from. skype is one of the most advance piece of technology when it comes to getting round wirewalls and proxy. Infact skype calls and IMs dont get charged by my network carriers I can even make calls even when am out of carrier credit. I could make a 3 hour calls and wont get charged a damn.. skype on the N900 is the full blown skype integrated to Conservation and the call app. It has nothing to do with Telepathy. gtalk doesnt work on the N900 because it uses telepathy XMPP/Jabber framework and there is a bug on maemo about telepathy jabber not working with network proxy that bug has been filed since the since 2006 and still yet to be fixed.

jak 2010-02-01 16:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbrovar (Post 505296)
No they dont. were they heck did you get that from. skype is one of the most advance piece of technology when it comes to getting round wirewalls and proxy. Infact skype calls and IMs dont get charged by my network carriers I can even make calls even when am out of carrier credit. I could make a 3 hour calls and wont get charged a damn.. skype on the N900 is the full blown skype integrated to Conservation and the call app. It has nothing to do with Telepathy.
Skype is a telepathy connection manager named telepathy-spirit.

bigbrovar 2010-02-01 16:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by felipec (Post 505218)
That's not the right way to set the proxy: Settings -> Internet connections -> Connections -> (select connection) -> Edit -> Next -> Next (until you see the advanced button)

Then you'll see a "proxies" tab.

I've no idea what actually makes use of those proxy settings, probably nothing from telepathy does it.

I I'll read that from msn-pecan, and maybe try to patch telepathy-haze as well.
Normally that is how proxy should be configured on the N900. But if you do that alone on the browser and skype would work. Nothing else would. I mean not one thing that requires internet would work.. no 3rd party app, no core system app nothing.. you device would be an internet lemon if you connect via a proxy. I mean its that bad.. Bad is actually an understatement. the only work around which would make the pain a bit bearable is to add http_proxy to /etc/profile and hope your favourite app uses libcurls otherwise just forget it. even then its still a bit PITA.. One can almost think that Maemo was designed not to be used behind proxy and the proxy settings is just some piece of config file no application respect. The saddest part of this is that no one seems to be paying attention to it cus not many people are affected. But every OS I have tried even symbian and Microsoft windows have excellent http proxy support. the situation in maemo is beyond pathetic. Seriously

zerojay 2010-02-01 16:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jak (Post 505312)
Skype is a telepathy connection manager named telepathy-spirit.
Thank you, and that's exactly why I said what I said. And no, it's not the full Skype client. P2P isn't in use, for example.

bigbrovar 2010-02-01 16:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jak (Post 505312)
Skype is a telepathy connection manager named telepathy-spirit.
and is that what the N900 use? because on the N810 skype was the only application that worked with proxy. Infact ask any sysad there would tell you skype is notorious for getting round firewalls that is why its hugely popular and why it just works. I dont know much about telepathy-spirit but I know that Telepathy (and any of its non skype plugin just doesnt work with proxy)

NB indeed skype on the N900 is based on telepathy-spirit which is closed source btw the underlining protocol is proprietary. I think its just a way to port the skype proprietary protocol to N900. Its just a shame that such closed source protocol is the only component of telepathy that works with and respect the system wide proxy

jak 2010-02-01 16:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 505322)
Thank you, and that's exactly why I said what I said. And no, it's not the full Skype client. P2P isn't in use, for example.
Just to add, it uses skyhost:

Quote:
SkyHost (version: skyhost-spirit2009-armv6-linux-eabi-1.10.337)

Proprietary and Confidential

Copyright 2003-2008 Skype Limited
Patents Pending, Skype Limited
Skype, associated trade marks and logos and the 'S'-symbol are trademarks of Skype Limited.
[Portions Copyright (c) 2001-2008 Joltid (tm) Limited. All rights reserved.
Patents Pending, Joltid Limited. www.joltid.com]

thenokiablog 2010-02-01 19:15
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Please help.

I installed Extra Protocol Plugins For Conversations And Contacts 0.8 and rebooted 2x

Still no option to add Facebook.
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7...mentki0p7u.png

hwong_pz 2010-02-01 19:23
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenokiablog (Post 505600)
Please help.

I installed Extra Protocol Plugins For Conversations And Contacts 0.8 and rebooted 2x

Still no option to add Facebook.
Have you tried "apt-get update" then "apt-get upgrade" in xterm? Make sure application manager is not running or apt-get will return error

troff76 2010-02-01 20:50
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Facebook Chat works great on my N900.
When I sign in, my facebook friends who are online (on fb chat) appear in my contacts.

HOWEVER, I noticed something odd.
I merge the FB contacts with their corresponding existing contacts (so that they appear under the same name). So far so good.
BUT when I restart the N900 and sign in again, duplicates of all the fb online contacts (including those that I merged earlier) appear again...

Kajko 2010-02-01 20:56
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Facebook chat works on my N900 but with some odd behaviour ocasionally. Sometimes when I get an IM it shows two of the same, like a duplicate.

slender 2010-02-01 21:00
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
I had to disable chat history because it kept bouncing all the messages from history again and again when I had some disconnects with plugin. (So basically it worked as it should but there should be some sort of timeout)

zerojay 2010-02-01 21:04
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kajko (Post 505762)
Facebook chat works on my N900 but with some odd behaviour ocasionally. Sometimes when I get an IM it shows two of the same, like a duplicate.
I've had the same behavior. Still, not bad for a first release.

fraaaaanka 2010-02-02 00:32
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0.8 is great with the facebook chat ... one issue i have is sometimes i write a message and i reeceive the same message back from my contact????
its a real shame youj cant have the msn butterfly video chat function working as well though .... the only way to have the video chat working i have found is to just have msn 0.7 installed only??? :( !!!
mabye in v0.9?????

etuoyo 2010-02-02 00:55
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fraaaaanka (Post 506046)
0.8 is great with the facebook chat ... one issue i have is sometimes i write a message and i reeceive the same message back from my contact????
Yep I have the same problem

Kajko 2010-02-02 02:37
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fraaaaanka (Post 506046)
... one issue i have is sometimes i write a message and i reeceive the same message back from my contact?????
Same issue for me...

slender 2010-02-02 08:16
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fraaaaanka (Post 506046)
0.8 is great with the facebook chat ... one issue i have is sometimes i write a message and i reeceive the same message back from my contact????
its a real shame youj cant have the msn butterfly video chat function working as well though .... the only way to have the video chat working i have found is to just have msn 0.7 installed only??? :( !!!
mabye in v0.9?????
As i said couple of messages before its just history popping up again and again when it reconnects. You can disable history from accounts settings.

zerojay 2010-02-02 15:10
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slender (Post 506378)
As i said couple of messages before its just history popping up again and again when it reconnects. You can disable history from accounts settings.
No, it's not. You're still connected. It just sometimes bounces back the same messages and appears that your contact just repeated what you said. History clearly shows who said what and when.

gunni 2010-02-02 16:57
Re: IM Protocol Plugins v0.8 release - Facebook Chat!
 
I dont know exactly, as i installed many things yesterday, but from the first sight it seems like facebook chat drains the battery very fast.
I did now deactivate the facebook chat account, and battery seems now draining slower.
Can someone confirm this, or maybe i am wrong, and some other of my yesterday installs is responsible.


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