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slender 2010-02-09 17:48

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
That's mV, but still it declines bit too fast. I donīt know if we can make assumptions from here that it keeps declining on that speed. We should really test it before making statements about how long it will last.

razialo 2010-02-09 17:52

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 518019)
That's mV, but still it declines bit too fast. I donīt know if we can make assumptions from here that it keeps declining on that speed. We should really test it before making statements about how long it will last.

yes ... i will do it if i have some time , but as far i can see , it will defenety not last 11 days ... so i realy want to knew how they got those nimbers =)))

les_garten 2010-02-09 21:00

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
You can scroll the graphs? How does that work?

Never mind, now I see.

mr_bridger 2010-02-10 00:31

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Maybe a silly question, does app need to be open all the time to keep recording data? ive had it open all day lol....

thelushlife 2010-02-10 00:46

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
batteryeye keeps recording even after you close the app.

mr_bridger 2010-02-10 00:51

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Thanks! :)

shadowjk 2010-02-10 01:17

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
On diablo there was a battery-status script that sent a query over dbus to force update. iirc it didn't always manage to convince the os to update, though.

groeit 2010-02-10 02:01

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
http://img.inerd.me/screenshot04.png

well wifi/3G on all the time, emails via nokia messaging + 2 imap accounts every 15 mins + MfE; used some google, watched Ted Talk ... and that's it i think.

slender 2010-02-10 07:29

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
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Okey. We should not make hasty conclusion out of % but it gives some information. At least for me this new feature where i leave my phone to charger and it goes empty quite fast and starts to charge after shutdown is rather interesting. Thank god for Nokias good old alarm system that goes on even if phone is off.

.edit
And did it really take 1,5 hours before phone started charging? Maybe i have done something while sleeping o.O ?

..edit
I have 3g always off.

ossipena 2010-02-10 07:45

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
feature request: print %, mAh and mV to same grid with different colours.

how hard is that to implement? if it isn't very hard, at least I'd find it very useful

juise- 2010-02-10 10:13

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 518912)
And did it really take 1,5 hours before phone started charging? Maybe i have done something while sleeping o.O ?

I'm assuming you're referring to the part marked with WTF in your screenshot. The apparent delayed start of charging is likely due to a problem in battery-eye graphing. The way the graphs are currently drawn has major inaccuracies around areas where phone (or the data logging daemon) is turned on or off while connected to charger, or if the percentage goes to zero for a while until the charger is plugged in. I'm looking to fix this for next version of the app.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 518922)
feature request: print %, mAh and mV to same grid with different colours.

how hard is that to implement? if it isn't very hard, at least I'd find it very useful

Definitely just plotting the graphs in same view would be rather simple. The problem would be to to somehow scale the y-axis meaningfully (all three values are in different units, and have different scale), and communicating the scaling to user.


For anyone asking for features, please post your feature requests to the tracker at project's garage page rather than (or in addition to) posting them here (You'll need a garage account though):
https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?group_id=1292

It's much easier for me to manage requests there, instead of looking around for them in the forums :rolleyes:

slender 2010-02-10 10:18

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juise- (Post 519117)
Definitely just plotting the graphs in same view would be rather simple. The problem would be to to somehow scale the y-axis meaningfully (all three values are in different units, and have different scale), and communicating the scaling to user.

I know that itīs not accurate but probably you can scale mV and mAh to percentages with their highest and lowest values.

Highest value could be your decision or pull out from devices logs when it reports that battery is full (i do not know if it reports this information somwhere). Lowest values might be bit tricky.

ossipena 2010-02-10 11:21

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juise- (Post 519117)
Definitely just plotting the graphs in same view would be rather simple. The problem would be to to somehow scale the y-axis meaningfully (all three values are in different units, and have different scale), and communicating the scaling to user.

IMO current scales are ok.

the most important point of interest to me would be mV + % to same screen. so if one marks 100% & 4,2V to top and 0% & 3,6V to bottom (as it is for now), one could see causality between percent value announced and voltage announced (and probably make some assumptions about algorithms etc)

but I'll go to garage page right away.

e: done

earledawes 2010-02-10 13:47

Battery dies DURING charging!
 
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OK folks has anyone seen this before?

Phone charging overnight then suddenly...whammy at 3am, stops charging and fully drains. Next thing I know I am woken up by the boing noises from the battery dying! :mad:

I thought I was going crazy last time this happened but now it has happened for a second time and battery-eye proved it, has anyone else come across this?

Matt

sandybeach 2010-02-10 13:56

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
perhaps theres a bug need reporting ?

Omkar 2010-02-10 14:14

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juise- (Post 519117)
For anyone asking for features, please post your feature requests to the tracker at project's garage page rather than (or in addition to) posting them here (You'll need a garage account though):
https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?group_id=1292

It's much easier for me to manage requests there, instead of looking around for them in the forums :rolleyes:

Feature request:
Could you also provide an option to save the current Graph as an image.
Its very tedious to take two diff screen shots and join them.

Sorry i dont have a garage account.. i will register for one later and post this there too.. :)

JonWW 2010-02-10 14:49

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Greate app only just downloaded it, waiting for graph to be generated :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by juise- (Post 519117)
For anyone asking for features, please post your feature requests to the tracker at project's garage page rather than (or in addition to) posting them here (You'll need a garage account though):
https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?group_id=1292

It's much easier for me to manage requests there, instead of looking around for them in the forums :rolleyes:

Perhaps if you added:
Bug reports and improvements to Batery-eye
to your signature it would help get the reports to the right place.

Frank Banul 2010-02-10 14:53

Re: Battery dies DURING charging!
 
USB jack loose?

Frank

Quote:

Originally Posted by earledawes (Post 519396)
Phone charging overnight then suddenly...whammy at 3am, stops charging and fully drains. Next thing I know I am woken up by the boing noises from the battery dying! :mad:

I thought I was going crazy last time this happened but now it has happened for a second time and battery-eye proved it, has anyone else come across this?

Matt


earledawes 2010-02-10 16:00

Re: Battery dies DURING charging!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Banul (Post 519503)
USB jack loose?

hmmm possible but it did charge up to 60ish percent and then rapidly drained on idle, and was untouched for the duration as I was enjoying a nice sleep.

southwalesboy 2010-02-10 17:56

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by razialo (Post 517980)
I have made some things since yestersday:
i switched from dual to gsm
i removed the weather tool from the desktop
i uninsalled some things ...
I disabled gps

So yes , like in the picture i will add, you can see , with musik it last now longer ...

But what is wonderng me , from 24:00 to 6:00 i turned OFF the WIFI with some extra tool and turned on the OFLINE mode. SO , why !!! he still looses so much energy in 6 hours ??? If i would draw that line , the battary will be empty in 3 days DOING nothing ... i just cant understand it. I turned everything off , the only thing was on is the alarmclock ... so why would a mobile phone, while doing nothing get empty in 3 Days !!!

so here is a screenshot i made in battery eye.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4994/screenshot06.png

The time is what i realy did , you can see it nor 100 % on this picture
1) The battary was full, WIFI OFF and OFFLINE MODE
2)īAlarm, serving 10 m
3)Musik about 30 m nothing else
4) Tunrned OFFLINE MODE OFF and switched to WIFi in the school , used it in the lesson to goole things
5) turned wife off
6) Musik ...
7) Just turned on wifi , and internet , and musik ,and some windows ...

Of course the battery is going to be consumed! the OS is still running as a PC (all be it in power saving mode) the RAM and CPU are still in use etc

medri 2010-02-10 19:47

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
As most of u guys I did some batter-recording too. I'm really disapointed by the batterylife with our favourite device. I heard Stories of people using for around 24hrs of moderate use. My phone dies after 8hrs of almost no use.

So here is screenshot no. 1:
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3...reenshot1f.jpg
I had a batterydrain overnight while it was pluged in to the charger... very strange!
I disconnected at 7AM and did nothing with it till 8AM when I rebooted the device just to make sure there is no Wifi-bug involved.
After that I hade light use of my device. around 5 textmessages/SMS in the morning and thats about it.
Around 4:20PM my phone died. Thats 9hrs of standby!
The only thing is: I was connected to skype/icq/googletalk/SIP/ovi all the time but did not use it.
switching to 2G doesn't improve the batterylife so I had it on Dual.

Now this is this morning:
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4...reenshot2c.jpg
Unplugged at 7AM and didnt use it since. At 10:30AM its down to 60%. Thats 3,5hrs of standby ...
I had the same settings as above...

No need to tell, there is something wrong with it, but what? ...

greetz
medri

denix 2010-02-10 20:03

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by medri (Post 520025)
The only thing is: I was connected to skype/icq/googletalk/SIP/ovi all the time but did not use it.

Try disabling those, as they have to stay alive by keeping the connection open and exchange the keep-alive messages with respective servers.

slender 2010-02-10 20:12

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
medri any widgets active on desktop?

medri 2010-02-10 21:22

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 520061)
medri any widgets active on desktop?

1 Homescreen empty
1 Homescreen with 8 contacts / shortcuts
1 Homescreen with personal dataplan monitor/FM on_off/sleeper/mediaplayer controls/ 3 Shortcuts
1 Homescreen with Calender / OMWeather (syncronisation only manual)

P.S:
Is there an issue with the old pidgin protocols? I havent upgraded it because i had a "network error" on icq with the newer versions ...

slender 2010-02-10 21:44

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by medri (Post 520161)
1 Homescreen empty
1 Homescreen with 8 contacts / shortcuts
1 Homescreen with personal dataplan monitor/FM on_off/sleeper/mediaplayer controls/ 3 Shortcuts
1 Homescreen with Calender / OMWeather (syncronisation only manual)

I asked only widgets, but yeah, not much stuff.

Quote:

P.S:
Is there an issue with the old pidgin protocols? I havent upgraded it because i had a "network error" on icq with the newer versions ...
I do not know but first thing to do for one day would be to disable all IM/VOIP protocols and one by one test how much they eat battery. Might take couple of days, but welcome to beta test group.

But you should also ask from yourself what you ask your phone to do? You have enabled 5 different accounts that communicate to server with time interval of their own. It doesn't matter if you do not "use" them. They are still connected and send packages and keep 3G radio link sending data.

les_garten 2010-02-10 22:27

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 520199)
I asked only widgets, but yeah, not much stuff.



I do not know but first thing to do for one day would be to disable all IM/VOIP protocols and one by one test how much they eat battery. Might take couple of days, but welcome to beta test group.

But you should also ask from yourself what you ask your phone to do? You have enabled 5 different accounts that communicate to server with time interval of their own. It doesn't matter if you do not "use" them. They are still connected and send packages and keep 3G radio link sending data.

My experience has been that a number of these widgets don't suck data unless that desktop is selected. Like Foreca weather. My use went down when I qiuit "parking" on a desktop and started parking on the dashboard.

ioan 2010-02-10 22:42

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
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I don't have any 3rd party applications installed that run in background (except this one, for monitoring the battery). No custom buttons in the power menu, no widgets running on any of my 3 desktops. Yesterday my N900 was connected to the internet (wi-fi) most of the day and I did light browsing.

opax 2010-02-10 23:38

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Hey everybody!

I ve realised something!
The official N900 charger is not very good for the battery! its intensity of 1200mA is too high..

right it charges the battery in 2hours but it never reach more than 85% but if you used your old charger with the adaptor the charge is slower and better (350mA). last night I got 96%...quite good

And my battery is still not empty since 1 day and a half

So I think that the softer you charge your battery the longer it lives..
I ll try to charge it with my computer the intensity is lower than any charger i got..

God's Toy 2010-02-10 23:55

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Yep I agree with that.

The last few weeks I have changed to using a 850 mA charger at night and found the device does last a little longer with it.

I would use a lower rated charger if I had one.

jamiefuller 2010-02-11 00:13

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Re the slower charging chargers,

I think the real difference comes from the fact that your phone is probably finished charging nearer morning, the n900 seems to charge from ac and then stop, so if I charge mine at 11pm, and its full by 1am. then it sits on my desk depleting battery until I get up 6-8 hours later.

if your charge doesn't finish charging till say 4 or 5 in the morning you'd automatically be getting 3 or 4 extra hours of standby power.

So i'm swapping to a slower charge for my overnight charges too :)

H3llb0und 2010-02-11 00:14

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
I have been charging my N900 at work with the provided USB cable, and it charges very slowly, but I have been noticing that the battery is lasting a lot longer.

Last time I fully charged it was on Tuesday at around 1:00 PM

It is now 11:15 AM of Thursday and I still have 15% Battery left :D

I have been using it mostly for lots of sms, and maybe 5/6 calls per day.
Playing Angry Birds and Blocks when commuting from home to work and vice versa. So that's at least 2h playing time every day.

medri 2010-02-11 01:51

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamiefuller (Post 520408)
Re the slower charging chargers,

I think the real difference comes from the fact that your phone is probably finished charging nearer morning, the n900 seems to charge from ac and then stop, so if I charge mine at 11pm, and its full by 1am. then it sits on my desk depleting battery until I get up 6-8 hours later.

if your charge doesn't finish charging till say 4 or 5 in the morning you'd automatically be getting 3 or 4 extra hours of standby power.

So i'm swapping to a slower charge for my overnight charges too :)

It's hard for me to imagine it this way. I won't say it is not true, but I doubt it.
I could think of a miscalculating with the fast charging. And so it assumes that you havea full battery even if you don't ...
But this is just a guess too ...

[Edit:]
But I'll try it with my N95-charger and post some results!

shadowjk 2010-02-11 02:15

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
It's bad for the health of Li-Ion batteries to be kept fully charged constantly. The charging is switched off when battery is full. It resumes charging at some threshold (maybe 85percent?) and charges to something like 90-95 again.

These numbers are probably not accurate at all, but you get the idea.

kaz911 2010-02-11 07:02

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowjk (Post 520551)
It's bad for the health of Li-Ion batteries to be kept fully charged constantly. The charging is switched off when battery is full. It resumes charging at some threshold (maybe 85percent?) and charges to something like 90-95 again.

These numbers are probably not accurate at all, but you get the idea.

that is not correct. The right way to keep a Li-Ion charged is by trickle charge it when at peak (what ever peak is - 90-95-99%) Even a -10-15% discharge damages the Li-Ion cells. ("natural damage") and will decrease the life of the cells.

But I'm amazed the phone can't work on AC power and switch off battery consumption.

ossipena 2010-02-11 07:12

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kaz911 (Post 520705)
that is not correct. The right way to keep a Li-Ion charged is by trickle charge it when at peak (what ever peak is - 90-95-99%) Even a -10-15% discharge damages the Li-Ion cells. ("natural damage") and will decrease the life of the cells.

But I'm amazed the phone can't work on AC power and switch off battery consumption.

are you serious?

Quote:

No trickle charge is applied because lithium-ion is unable to absorb overcharge. A continuous trickle charge above 4.05V/cell would causes plating of metallic lithium that could lead to instabilities and compromise safety.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm

TA-t3 2010-02-11 15:48

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by opax (Post 520371)
Hey everybody!

I ve realised something!
The official N900 charger is not very good for the battery! its intensity of 1200mA is too high..

The ampere rating of the charger does not matter at all, as long as it is as high or higher than what the device can absorb (if it is rated lower then that just means longer charging time). So, it can never be too high, so to speak. The device wouldn't even know.

les_garten 2010-02-11 17:06

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
I love this new Toy!

Here's a baseline I did to see what was minimal standby for me.

This is a fresh Reboot, WiFi off, BT off, WiFi Module unloaded with WiFi Switcher. No IM accounts polling. ATT network for voice, all Data disabled.

Only used for a few short voice calls. No appz used. Lots of stuff installed from Testing and devel, and Qole, repositories. Phone was parked on the Dashboard and not on a desktop.

My goal was to get a baseline to work from to see the drain over the course of the battery, and test from this as my baseline. Took almost 3 days to run down, not bad.

http://www.turbonet.biz/misc/N900/Battery_1.png

slender 2010-02-11 17:16

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by les_garten (Post 521458)
I love this new Toy!

Here's a baseline I did to see what was minimal standby for me.

This is a fresh Reboot, WiFi off, BT off, WiFi Module unloaded with WiFi Switcher. No IM accounts polling. ATT network for voice, all Data disabled.

Only used for a few short voice calls. No appz used. Lots of stuff installed from Testing and devel, and Qole, repositories. Phone was parked on the Dashboard and not on a desktop.

My goal was to get a baseline to work from to see the drain over the course of the battery, and test from this as my baseline. Took almost 3 days to run down, not bad.

http://www.turbonet.biz/misc/N900/Battery_1.png

Hmm. Do you understand that on Nokias spec sheet (usa webpage) they say that this phone should have ~11 days standby time. :|

les_garten 2010-02-11 17:25

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 521476)
Hmm. Do you understand that on Nokias spec sheet (usa webpage) they say that this phone should have ~11 days standby time. :|

I'm not sure what Standby means. I'm not sure anyone else does either, except the guy who originally did the test.

Why you asking me about Nokia's spec sheet? I had nothing to do with it!

slender 2010-02-11 17:44

Re: Battery consumption analysis
 
Probably means just screen off and no calls/data at all and good network quality and wifi off.

Just commented because you were happy for 3 days time and in my opinion it's quite bad because some people have reported over week times for their N900. And if i correctly understood you you have not really done anything with your device?

Ohh..you didn't told how much you spoke so yeah..maybe 3 days is good for your use case.


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