Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Uh Gmail? No thanks. I don't understand what the problem is. The N900's email client works well enough for my needs. Using Lavabit (IMAP).

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Yes the client works for very basic email handling, anything more then that and even Outlook Express looks like a feature loaded super app.

So if you just do basic send and reply then you will probably never run into a problem but if your job requires you to travel a lot, use IMAP and share e-mails (start writing on one device, finish on another), specific per account settings and so on...
Some call it advanced use of e-mail but for me it is everyday business use.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

No I have not. Is it considered stable? I have no desire to have my mailbox wiped out by some bug.
That is why I really like the post where someone posted a picture of Thunderbird running on an older model.

I'll mess with this over the weekend and see if I can get either Thunderbird or mutt to work.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

How is building a completely different mail client.. and "testing" that on your N900.. any different than loading what someone has already built - and is being used by several people already testing it?

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

maybe some of the qt people on here can get this up fairly easily

http://jkt.flaska.net/blog/

it is a pretty simple imap client written in qt/c++, git tree is available

Some highlights of Trojitá are:

* A pure Qt4 application with no additional dependencies
* Robust IMAP core implemented using Qt's Model-View framework
* Standards compliance is a design goal
* Support for bandwidth-saving mode aimed at mobile users with expensive connection
* IMAP over SSH -- instead of going over an SSL socket, the server could be accessed via SSH
* On-demand body part loading
* Offline IMAP support (you can access data you already have; there's no complete "offline mail access" yet, though)
* Safe dealing with HTML mail (actually more robust than Thunderbird's)


I compiled it and it ran in scratchbox, but layout and gui were all messed up, but the qt did take on maemo style automatically which was cool.

might be a good start for a community imap client dedicated to maemo/meego.mer whatever

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

I had a similar experience with Sylpheed. Just not touch-screen and 800x400 optimized.

That's why Claws-mail is the better option.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Because the underlying code is know to behave properly on Thunderbid and I know that Thunderbird can handle IMAP properly.

EDIT: Ok now we get a lot more "suggestions" of other email clients in. This is great but does not really help. I am not going to trust "some app" which was written by "some" guy with full access to my IMAP dir.
This is why mutt and Thunderbird sound attractive, they can be trusted (to a reasonable extend)

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

If you're talking about General Usage I'm quite sure Claws Mail is very widely used. I've heard about it from several different distributions forums on the desktop. It's more lightweight than thunderbird.. some people just don't need everything that comes with thunderbird but still need more features than the other lightweight clients.

Sylpheed and Claws are the more common that I've personally heard. Claws is modular so that people can compile and use plugins just for what they need.. instead of getting everything+kitchen sink for something specific they want.

I don't think any of the modules except the PGP one are compiled yet for Maemo though.. so just Claws with PGP support is possible.

Anyway.. I'm not here to champion any one mail program.. if you don't like it you don't like it .. fair enough. Good luck on Thunderbird.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Hi
For all of you who don't mind using the stylus, i might have a solution.
Install easy debian from the "extras"-repo.
Then start LXDE, activate the package manager and install claws-mail from there. This way, you have a stable version and all plugins available, which allowa you to store your mails on the device.
Before you download your mails for the first time, don't forget to disable the option to automatically delete the mails on the server, which is automatically activated in claws.
the window with your mails listed is big enough to read, but to read a specific mail, you have to mark it with the stylus until the rightmousebutton-menu pops up and then select "open in new window".
The only thing i have to figure out now is how to place a direct link to claws in the maemo-menu

Cheers!

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

If you're familiar with those technologies, picking up the XUL user interfaces language is definitely in scope. The UI for Firefox, Thunderbird, and SeaMonkey is all XUL.

Before you start serious work though, ask about a TB skin designed for low resolution. Someone has surely worked on this for the netbook space, and it would probably be a better start than the standard skin.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

I can't resist posting a bit of history, at least as I see and remember it... XUL is very clearly inspired by XIL, an attempt of the X Windows community to make a generalized GUI language that didn't force developers to go down into the depths of X11 and Motif. It didn't have support for drag and drop operations at the start, and never saw wide adoption.

On a more personal note, the customization language for the GUIs of the original Tivoli systems management framework was also inspired by XIL. It was called Tivoli AEF, for Application Extension Facility, and for a time I was the worldwide support contact... :-)

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

I didn't know there was a Toodledo integration that works with the N900. That's VERY interesting. Does it cope well with all the variations on Toodledo for tasks? I would imagine that would be difficult as Toodledo is the most flexible of the online task mamangers I found when I did a serious set of comparisons about 20 months back...

If anyone reading this and looking for an online task manager, take a look at http://www.toodledo.com. This includes RTM users, it's good enough that you might want to convert. :-) It is missing an N900 client, but it looks like that may have been addressed.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Thinking about this a bit more, I think a first pass could be done without the source code. If you installed the N810 version onto the N900, the modifications the the XUL to put large icons in place of normal is likely to be a small mod. I don't know how Debian packaging deals with a "package A & then overwrite file A.whatever with a modified version" approach.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

You can try out Thunderbird 3.0 in the latest Easy Debian image...

See here and here.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Agreed that something better needs to be done, can't even select all email to move elsewhere. Very basic set-up for a £500 gadget.

I miss Profimail on my old, but clunky N97.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

sure there is.
go to in box
tap on top menu, select move mail
now control A on keyboard selects all
or individually select mails by tapping on them.

same for delete.

just to confirm this is imap4 with my gmail account.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Thanks for the tip. Email app still has a long way to go.

Re: N900's Email client - mutt!
 

Anyone interested in using mutt on N900? Here is an extremely useful post: http://forums.internettablettalk.com...790#post550790
Although it is tailored to work with an yahoo account, I actually got it working on my N900 with my gmail; at the moment I don't have time to learn how to compile urlview so that mutt becomes even more useful for what I need. It can also link nicely with lynx so that html coding is presented in a nicer way!

Hope that helps all the mutt users. If anyone knows or has done the compilation of urlview (it should not be too difficult), please do let me know.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

I tried out the e-mail client, which is a bit limited, and I could find no settings that allow for e-mails to be left on the server. Usually I set that on portable devices, so that I can make sure a copy goes to my main PC when I use it (I keep a record of some e-mails going back ten years). Have I missed something, or is the only way to use the client by removing the e-mail from the e-mail server?

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

You can, in fact must, set this for each email account. Open the account, tap on the top bar of the screen, then select 'Edit account' put a check in 'Leave messages on server' and save your settings.

copy/paste
 

After PR1.2, I'm fairly happy with it, actually, as they now support meeting invitations properly, which is a must for those of us that work in medium/big organizations.

But, where is the copy/paste of email text? I can't believe that they seem to have left out such a basic and crucial functionality.

Re: copy/paste
 

To copy and paste use Ctrl+c and then Ctrl+v on the keypad, however if you are looking to copy text from an e-mail, *without* having to go through the annoyance of having to forward the e-mail in the first place, just hold shift, select the text, then you can copy the text and paste it where ever you like ;)

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

I've searched for awhile regarding an email issue I'm having with my N900 but can't find anything so I'm going to post it here..

I have two POP email accounts setup with "update automatically" via "any connection" at 5 minute intervals but i never get emails except for when my N900 changes the data connection and (presumably) Modest does its initial send/receive. So I connect to say my WIFI, i get a bunch of emails, then nothing. It could be for hours until I leave the house and it connects to TMobile Internet and bam all my new emails show up, then once again, nothing until I connect/reconnect... Manual send/receive makes no difference and Modest say it's refreshing but the emails never show up until the connection is changed...

Any ideas???

thanks...

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Exact same issue here, and I think a lot of people with identical setups have the same problem. I've only the one POP3 account (I have hotmail forward to gmail, and gmail forward to my ISP).

As much as I love diversity, and there's some really nice clients out there, I'd be happy to just have the Modest bugs fixed. Account checking interval should be something which is easily fixed... right? :-)

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

wow is it really that bad? idk, i dont have any probs with it. it seems just as fast as any other i have used. i do wish there was some kind of searching support and slightly better organized but i learned how to work it. no complaints from here

Re: copy/paste
 

Actually, the manual has the full story:

I don't like this method so much, though, as it is hiding basic functionality in a non-obvious way. To begin with, a character cursor needs to be shown after step 1 above - this would already have been enough for me to figure the rest.

The problem of choosing between scrolling the window and selecting text in order to copy/paste it is exactly the same situation as in PDF readers.

The current method could remain as a shortcut, but a toolbar button for toggling, as in all the PDF reades that everyone already knows, would avoid the need for actually requiring people to read the manual. There seems to be space available in the toolbar.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Are here any news about using mutt on the N900?


Since the new Firmware I miss the feature to sort my mails. :(

There is also a Bug Report: #10332 (please vote) - sadly, they considered it as WONTFIX (I guess we will have it at MeeGo again) - but voting doesn't hurt

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Personally I have an e-mail for general use, and then I created a new one for the tablet only. I have then forwarded all the emails from my general, to my tablet-email. I love this solution myself.

Re: copy/paste
 

so when you receive a meeting invitation, how do you view the date, time and location of the meeting before you accept the it?

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Hmm, I wonder if it might compile out of the box in the Maemo5 SDK.

I don't know anything about packaging for Maemo (Debian), but I recompiled ssh with kerberos support on my n810, and just copied the necessary binaries over :D


Modest is such a disappointing mail client, compared to Claws-Mail, and other mobile mail clients, as much as I try to appreciate simplicity (errr... the lack of useful features) in Modest.

Last I checked, Claws-Mail on the n900 was missing a few plug-ins compared to the Chinook/Diablo versions, but you might want to check it out, if you've never looked at it before.

In any case, I just put a vote in for bug 10332.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

After reading that bug report I have to ask that WHO sane people even tries to do anything else with current e-mail program than just check messages. I would go nuts if I tried to do anything else with it.

Still bug report is valid, but IMO modest is maybe just too broken to be fixed.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

If you bought the n900 for email the you bought the wrong phone...sorry

The n900 give you power and freedom, it is for the hacker, the power user, the sort of user who wants freedom, it gives you the freedom of root priv, ssh etc, you can hack the n900 to do anything

Dont blame the phone if you bought the wrong device......

If you want email then you have not done your homework, go buy an iphone or android and stop whining.

I usually check my mail via pop3 in the terminal, simples really, try doing this on the iphone !! you can't apples give you no freedom !!!

First I open a terminal
Then telnet port 110 into mail server ip or fqdn of server
enter user <username>
then pass <password>

then its quite easy

list shows mbox items
then to read an email simply enter retr <msg no>
you can delete spam/old messages with dele <msg no>
and dont forget the quit command to cleanly close the session.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

ouch, telnet and pop3... really bad idea on any network, and even worse over wifi... snooperific and just plain dumb :(

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Sorry garyc2010, but did you have mushrooms for breakfast or what?
To read email and their attachments on a mobile phone has been standard point-and-click functionality for many years, also on Nokia phones. That Nokia can't get it right on one of their most expensive models is inexcusable.

And the babble about checking email from a terminal window by telnet? Are you for real? Why don't you use mail pigeons instead? So much easier....

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

So if my email works without problems, who do I talk to?

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Even when it's just checking messages, I want to find whoever did this and yell at them. I'd switch over to Claws but then I would have to leave it running just to automatically check my e-mail.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

You got to be kidding!? Even if I am a geek and love the comnsole I do not read my mail that why.

I must agree with the others here. It is a shame the emailclient in n900 is broken.

A good email and calendar, sync functions should be hipriority in next Maemo/Meego device else nokia will loose every customer out there. There are plenty of other devices out there and only some geeks care about full freedom. I am one of those who wants freedom and love my N900 but in the same way I must say, if they dont care about this good standard functions like email, calendar, syncing we all will loose at the end... they will probadly loose even more customers and for also funboys like you and geeks like me will loose at the end cause if nokia doesnt make money on meego they will stop make geekphones/Meego based phones.

Infact they need lots of "normal" customers too for the meego project to succes cause there is no money in just focusing on some funboys like you or geeks like me.

Sorry my poor english :-(

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

What would you recommend I use ?

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

Anything that doesn't send your credentials in cleartext over the wire or through the air for trivial snooping.

Re: N900's Email is a Joke - Thunderbird on the N900???
 

OK I use an n900, so what should I use then ????????? like can i use activesync for my exchange 2003 server ???