Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Council is part of the maemo.org community. It is not for MeeGo or Nokia to make "plans" for it. It is for maemo.org to decide what maemo.org wants to do.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Yeah, and that sounds absurdly simple on the surface, but it's still murky to me. But, we'll feel our way through this a day at a time...

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Unfortunately Nokia still owns the Maemo trademark and, thus, apparently the maemo.org one, too.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Fortunately, there is an election coming up so we have a predefined process to get community input on these issues...

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Unfortunately Nokia owns the maemo.org domain, so technically they have the only say in what happens around here...

Domain ID:D105692361-LROR
Domain Name:MAEMO.ORG
Created On:07-Feb-2005 16:26:32 UTC
Last Updated On:21-Jan-2009 16:03:41 UTC
Expiration Date:07-Feb-2011 16:26:32 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:MarkMonitor Inc. (R37-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:mmr-31461
Registrant Name:Nokia Corporation

EDIT: Unless of course they somehow forget to renew their domain registration on Feb 7, 2011, and someone in the community has an opportunity to seize it ;)

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Without getting into the legalities, that's not a problem. Empirically, you can see there is plenty of trademarked software in the world and plenty of communities focused on trademarked software. Second , we know as a practical matter that Nokia is not going to send a C&D to maemo.org.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

I suggest we start lobbying to free up the maemo.org trademark.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Not needed or appropriate, domain name is more of an issue. And not the best first reaction to the announcement in any event. Sleep on it...

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Ok, I surrender to your wisdom.

http://maemo-daemons.org/meego-texrat.png

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Sorry to so abrupt, but do you mind getting back to the topic? :-)

Excellent thread to discuss the future of the council: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=528792
To try to find out and discuss what Moblin brings to the table: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44608

One way to use all the things, which you have already listed in this forum is to compile a list to Nokia and say: look, these are the values/assets/good things the maemo community prefers and does not want to lose. Are you committed to bringing these to meego?

And depending on the answer we can say whether us as a community (or individually) we see a future in meego.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

The two best assets that come to mind:

o The maemo.org community itself. This forum, and their members and knowledge.

o The Debian packaging system, which, seen from a developer point of view, is almost infinitely more flexible than the RPM based one. As long as you do only autobuild uploads there aren't many differences (it's basically what RPM always do, in a way), but for people like myself who builds locally and actually set up the configuration there's a big big difference.

Unfortunately the plan is apparently to throw the latter one out with the bath water. The former should be possible to salvage.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

People following this thread should be interested in http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a..._working_group

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*Is so tempted to volunteer as "maemo community loudmouth"* :p

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added my end-user enthusiasm to the meego working group ;)
@Kathy: I think watchbear is a good idea from maemo side.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Quim, with the move to Linux Foundation and a new MeeGo bugzilla, can we expect to see more open discussion in public bugs from "internal" developers, and a much reduced dependence on the internal and very private Nokia defect tracking system?

One thing that Intel may bring to this party is their more open (as in less private) approach to defect tracking, which is long overdue.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

No. 14 The ability to develop for N900/Maemo 5 under Mac OS X without a VM. (e.g. Qt + MADDE)

All the sensible VM options are paying ones under Mac, so I only started to play around w the development idea, when MADDE came.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

So reading over the proposal (thanks for creating one!):

I'm seeing that nearly ALL of the members are affiliated with Maemo. While it is good for the Maemo community, will it cause any resistance from the Moblin community?

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

I'd be even more interested if I could edit it and add myself.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

So these people are sort of the "Council" now then I guess?

http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a..._working_group

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

No, the 'steering group' seem to be the nearest thing to the Council. Whoever they are.

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VirtualBox is pretty solid on Mac. While I haven't tried it on Mac, on Windoze the `official` VMWare image works flawlessly in VirtualBox so you don't even need to setup your own environment, just plug and play, and I see no reason why should it be otherwise on Mac as well (my friend is running Ubuntu on his Mac through VirtualBox and have had no issues with it).

You will have to use some sort of VM/emu if you are to target ARMEL devices on OS X anyway...

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

you have to log in again on the wiki page (it is the same user but not SSO) and enter (again!) your email for your wiki profile - after that is confirmed, the edit works.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Cannot log in at wiki page. Period. Refused. Denied.

I am told I should try re-confirming email at meego.com. Will do.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

I'd say the Maemo experience. What plans are there to get N900s into the hands of Moblin developers? What plans are there to step them through the series of 30 second videos showcasing Maemo features and GUI?

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

The 30 second intros (even if that was Nokia Conversations) are good assets too, good to remember.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

No. XX -devel and -testing repos

I would like to have -devel and -testing repos for meego too. I really enjoy the freedom to brick my device, just because I decide to :) Direct access to developers, alpha and beta software is great (if you are into hardcore BDSM).

Edited for clarity of the hardcore part ;)

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

isn't that BDSM?

anyway, i agree - the devel/testing/extras structure is a part of the freedom i wouldn't want to miss.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

This BSDM talk is making me exicited about MeeGo.

BDSM repository for MeeGo, please. Now, that's innovation.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

It seems to be evening out somewhat now, if I'm reading the page correctly. The Maemo folks were probably just a bit quicker than those other folks (we expected no less either! ;))

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Quim, since the public tracking of defects is often the most fundamental aspect of an open software development project, would it help if this was moved to a thread of it's own?

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

New MeeGo mailing lists created for Community and Localization tasks:

http://meego.com/community/mailing-lists

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Ah, yes: Bug 630. :)

MeeGo is an open platform project hosted by the Linux Foundation. Therefore the standards of reference in the MeeGo bugzilla are in the lines of http://bugzilla.kernel.org

We have learn that open bug tracking goes together not only with open source but also with open development. The fact that Nokia platform developers will be able to develop openly in the MeeGo context (as opposed to the context of whatever next confidential product and release) will make their life a lot easier dealing with public bugs.

Also note that different components will have different maintainers, from different companies, independent developers, etc.

MeeGo will not deal with bugs related to Nokia closed apps available in MeeGo devices by Nokia. At this point I really don't know what will happen with those. We haven't discussed this yet. But Nokia closed source apps are off-topic in this MeeGo thread. :)

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Great, thank you.

Maybe we're getting closer to closing bug 630! :)

Completely understood... hopefully Nokia will maintain a public Bugzilla for the closed apps.

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...and I submitted a request to the mail admin:

;)

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They damn well better.

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Michael Shaver of intel team updated the community mailing list description as requested.

http://meego.com/community/mailing-lists

He's also looking for community members to offer input on the bug reporting tool.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Where? MeeGo-community isn't currently working for me.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

emailed to me in person.

Oh and I told him you would be glad to help with the bug pilot. :D

EDIT: I asked him if it might be better for him to ask on -dev

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

I had a chat with auke and arjan about it, I'm attempting to schedule an IRC meeting to discuss it (and various other web-related issues) on MeeGo-dev.

Re: What are the valuable Maemo parts to bring to MeeGo?
 

Just saw the email, good move GA.