Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

You're being confusing. Your first post
(btw, it's not so simple and is off the mark IMHO because you only talk about Maemo 6 while there is still a Maemo 4 and a Maemo 5 and other Maemo related issues discussed here)

And now you say
You're being confusing. We are aware that the brand will change. Branding is for commercial entities like Nokia and Intel, this community is not obligated to follow such branding.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Well...I guess technically Nokia owns maemo.org both from a trademark AND site point of view (didn't they pay Reggie for ITT and now run and pay for this site?). So....Reggie will do what Nokia tells him to do and if that is renaming a forum he will do so.

The only confusing part here is why this Nokia-drone comes on here and is 'asking' to have the forum changed.

I think the last few days have shown that Nokia could care less about this community (especially its council) and they they do whatever they want to do.

So, why even asking?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Quoted for effing truth.

What is gonna happen, is gonna happen, and we have very little saying on it, but I want get on record by saying that Maemo is an excellent name, while MeeGo, it is not. My Ego? iWent? Me Go? MeeGo is the iPad of Nokia/Intel.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Just to be absolutely clear, is the request to rename the "Maemo 6 / Harmattan" subforum on this site, or to rename the whole site? I read it as the former, which under the circumstances seems like it should be a minor and uncontentious change.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Maemo 5 is called Maemo 5 in the same way that OS2008 is still OS2008. It's not a retroactive change.

Nokians started calling a release Maemo 6 and nokians are deprecating it (together with the use of any "Maemo" beyond Maemo 5). Maemo 6 is not in any product so it shouldn't be a big deal to stop using it to refer to Harmattan, or to confuse it with MeeGo.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

That's reasonable. Let's assume he meant the subforum when he said forum. Agreed, not contentious. And could add a sticky linking to www.meego.com while we are at it.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Because I don't have permissions to change it for "MeeGo / Harmattan" myself. :)

It's a trivial change, as opposed to discuss the destiny of the whole maemo.org or even the whole talk.maemo.org, which deserves an own thoughtful discjussion, or many.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

This forum (not the entire talk.maemo.org) is titled "Maemo 6 / Harmattan". Quim is simply proposing that it is renamed to "MeeGo / Harmattan" to reflect recent developments.

Can someone do it already and get it over with?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Because they do care?
Even if for the announcement and press part of things Nokia did take business priorities above community priorities - already one day later they are showing that 2nd priority does not mean no priority.

I for one like the fact that the vague "we will trust the communities to decide on the community stuff" statement one-by-one proves to be a practice. Long way to go, but why not be happy about the first steps, like asking the community kindly?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Only Reggie can make the change.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Well then, why make a post about it instead of just PMing Reggie telling him to change it?

I think the time to show any consideration to community members is past don't you think?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Because people will scream bloody murder.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

And also - to 'ask for permission' for something as trivial as this will make some of the more dedicated fanboys cry out - "see!! they do care what we think!"

Rather clever really.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Spot on. As I said earlier in this thread - at the end of the day, Nokia (and Intel) are businesses and have completely different priorities than community gathered around that business. What is worth pointing out tough, is that they are actually do reach out back to the community and ask their opinion on the matter. That's at least what I see between the lines on Quim's various posts since yesterday.

IMVHO, people generally don't like drastic changes. However, as time flies by, we will all get used to that new MeeGo thing and quickly adjust to the new "reality". Think Facebook and their main layout changes every so often - there is a pattern I've observed myself: each time something changes in FB's layout, about 95% of people complain saying "previous was better". Time passes by, FB changes its layout again and... people complain that "previous was better". I am pretty certain we will see similar pattern with Maemo -> MeeGo, although I hope MeeGo is going to be definite branding change in this case. ;)

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Lol, I rest my case.

Bye :)

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

That's Mr. Gil to you. :)

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Yes, good that proposal is clarified quickly.

Oh, how many times have I said that about parts of the website... (the community page still has developers' mailing list recent posts on it).

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Everyone obviously could have his/hers own opinion and I respect that. ;P

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

That may be true in this case, but it's not generally the case. There are plenty of businesses involved in free software because they are part of the community and their interests align with the community's interests.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

There was confusion about "Maemo 6" and I explained the deal with "Maemo 6", picking the concrete example of renaming this SUB-forum.

If there is something wrong with this please let me know how to improve.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

qgil, you're such a pro. I'm not paid to communicate, so let me freestyle on these fools...

"Wipe away ya' crybaby tears
and mute ya' whines.

Lucky anybody asked
what's on ya' pea sized minds.

The name's been switched, so accept it,
'stead of tryin'a horde, rally 'round, protest, or protect it.

A rose by any other name
still smells good, you whaambulance drivers scared of change.

'Cause its not about MeeGo, its about people
in the community staying tight like a Speedo.

Is it .deb, .rpm? Who cares?
It'll be the same OS, so whats the use in splitting hairs?

Let it go and move on,
and years from now, play this back on your Meggo device and get your groove on!"

Now I wasted enough time on that short rhyme in hopes everyone else stops wasting it on trivial matters. This is monkey business. We just went through the Maemo-Freak redesign, etc., and now they've changed to MeeGo, and some turd has squatted on MeeGo-Freak.com, but am I whining? Nope. My mission is the same, which is to simplify the experience for users, expand adoption and development, and steer the direction of the OS to meet the widest needs.

Meego is Maemo6. So is Moblin. How can we give input on the two UIs? How can we make better apps and create new use models? How can we get more ARM ODMs and OEMs behind MeeGo? Will Nokia use it in the next Booklet? Will there be ways to sync a mobile and desktop style MeeGo device? THIS is the important stuff.

We all have ideas, but Intel and Nokia have great sales and marketing records, so trust them and watch the magic. Outside of WP7, MeeGo was the talk of MWC yesterday. WE HAVE THE SPOTLIGHT NOW!! Enjoy it while you can, because Symbian is coming, WP7 has awakened, and believe me, its on.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

LOL! Good one! But..'tight like a Speedo'? What dark corner of your mind did that pop out of? Never mind - I don't really wanna know...

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

I thought Maemo6 was still going to be the same Maemo version (Harmattan) that has been worked on - and that it wasn't going to be until the OS AFTER Maemo6 where we would see MeeGo.

Where did you learn that Meego is Maemo6 (and Moblin)?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Well, MeeGo will be fully open, so we should be able to port it if Nokia doesn't. I don't see why not.

And the speedo reference, my mind is pretty messed up. I'm shocked you didn't know. I'm a certified nut, though I'd never wear a Speedo because I want children, not boyfriends.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

I understand the concept of porting - which is something that also may or may not happen - what I asked was how you had learnt that Maemo6/Harmattan (a planned OS) was going to be MeeGo (and Mobile).

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Supposedly, the Linux Foundation will assist with driver support, I believe I read, so making builds for older devices shouldn't be too hard, though above my expertise.

As for Maemo6 bing Meego, just common sense. They said MeeGo devices will emerge THIS YEAR! And the combining is mainly about adding the Qt frameworks and UI toolkits to Moblin, sharing the development of the core stuff like Gstreamer and GTK+, and making the two UIs similar enough to be familiar when moving from a netbook/desktop UI version to a mobile version.

Maemo6 will be the basis for MeeGo going forward, along with some of the app frameworks from Moblin and a desktop style UI for non touch or netbook MeeGo builds. Ari Jakksi said Maemo6 is a MeeGo instance...

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

There will be a handheld UI and a UI for less portable builds, and option to add other UIs for future device paradigms.
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/image...meego_arch.jpg

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Chris, imho you're sort of out of your depth here... equating debs with rpms... meego, maemo 6 with moblins... and assuming driver supports to come from LF.

(and no one here wears Speedo.)

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Have you read my first post in this thread?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

I did and;
a) the way I read it is that Maemo6 is not = MeeGo hence why I asked Chris where he had received information that was in contradiction to that, and

b) you need to work on writing shorter posts.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Which sentence did he lose you at?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Somewhere around "This is a simple request to rename this forum.." - at that point I didn't find it credible that a Nokia employee would ask permission for that.

:)

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Do you think it was permission, or acceptance?

Think hard, now.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Honestly: Neither.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Regardless, I would not like the idea of anyone representing Nokia Corp coming in and wantonly changing structure at the .org, anyway (which Quim would not do).

EDIT: text clarified

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

FYI, forum has been renamed. This thread has been sticky-ed as well. Thanks.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Well, they do own the site right?

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

diplomacy > ownership.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

And I guess he did come here and "asked". :D

I think I'll go and read some Aldous Huxley.

Re: Renaming "Maemo 6" to MeeGo / Harmattan
 

Sorry you think so, but I have been reading and listening since 3. No special "depth" needed to research, engage, or read.

I respect YOUR "depth", however, since you know a bit more about Maemo, so why not point out where I may be steering in t wrong direction. All I've said has been iterated by Nokia, Intel, Linux, and experts I assume are equipped with snorkels far better than each of us. My terminology may be off, but my concept of the situation is spot on, according to people close to this thing.

What can you add or clarify on what I've said?