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droll 2010-11-07 14:36

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
actually thise whole thing about "virus, worms" etc is crap. i've been running windows systems for the past 10 years and never had that issue. proper protection, good computing common sense and you'll save yourself a ton of trouble.

i chose the n900 because it meets most of my requirements. there are some missing features but not the end of the world.

would i want windows phone 7 on the n900? no. i bought the n900 for the n900, not to shoehorn some other OS into it.

SumWon 2010-11-07 14:56

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
It's possible, but noone would do it for free... You could make a Windows CE BSP for any hardware, but it's a lot of work (I know first hand). So yes, it's technically possible, but not practical... There are companies (like BSQUARE) that would do it for you, but you'd need to pay them (probably) 50-100K USD...

And then you'd never get it officially certified (without the buttons), so you wouldn't be able to make anything back on it (ie. sell it). Not that there would be swarms of N900 users dying to buy a copy anyway...

Best advice: if you want a Windows Phone, just buy one... ;)

jperez2009 2010-11-10 14:13

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snuski (Post 863938)
i think it requires better spoecs than n900 the windows 7 phones are high end

lol...define "high-end" when it comes to Windows :rolleyes:

Jesse~

titi974 2010-11-10 14:34

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
well the snapdragon 1Ghz cell (Q8250) that have the win7 phones is not so much before the cortex A8 that the n900 has ;)
in fact, yes it has some features (gpu talking) that may be faster than the one in the n900 but just OC our beloved phone and you'll see that the perf' are pretty much the same/near !

kureyon 2010-11-10 17:09

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jperez2009 (Post 869203)
lol...define "high-end" when it comes to Windows

High end hardware for low end performance?

jperez2009 2010-11-11 12:43

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kureyon (Post 869402)
High end hardware for low end performance?

BWAHAHAAA! YES! I couldn't agree more! :D

Jesse~

neboja 2010-12-28 17:06

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
i've just stumbled on this article:

http://hothardware.com/News/Microsof...ill-Take-Time/

DJRedline 2011-01-06 09:12

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
So Microsoft have shown Windows 7 running on ARM Processors

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12124887

ndi 2011-01-06 12:40

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJRedline (Post 913017)
So Microsoft have shown Windows 7 running on ARM Processors

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12124887

There isn't a thanks button big enough. Interesting stuff. Don't know about you, but as soon as a desktop OS runs on something that fits in a pocket and makes calls I'm SO out of this half-ported jungle.

neotalk 2011-01-06 13:07

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
windows 8:

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-m...run-on-intel-a

Scottlfa 2011-01-08 00:51

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Of the OS choices, WM7 wouldn't be that bad to me as an alternative. I am sure it can be done, the Xda-developers have been making these things happen for years. Sure in time given the opportunity someone will try it.

DJRedline 2011-01-09 20:47

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottlfa (Post 914601)
Of the OS choices, WM7 wouldn't be that bad to me as an alternative. I am sure it can be done, the Xda-developers have been making these things happen for years. Sure in time given the opportunity someone will try it.

Even though it wasn't the best phone i used to love my Omnia running WM6.5 and used to always flash to new roms via Xda.

deyons 2011-01-21 21:09

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
The question is CAN WinMo7 run on N900 hardware?!
Not If you want it...will it happen..whats you thin of MS...bal bla bla
Can it be done? if not why not? and dont say stupid $h!t like it needs 3 buttons can the kernel/OS run on the n900 ARM hardware? I'm/we are not asking you to do it..but can it be done?

WereCatf 2011-01-21 21:13

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deyons (Post 925677)
The question is CAN WinMo7 run on N900 hardware?!

No, it can't.

anwar71839 2011-01-21 21:25

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Wp7 would be the last thing i would move to. Anyone here has a windows phone? I have a Htc HD7, and i am totally NOT impressed by the Os. Sure it is nice to have an alternative, but i wouldnt want it.
Maemo is just too superior to me. IOS, Android, whatever you say, i have used all of them and they get boring after a while, and playing games on it is just to childish...at least for maemo users, trust me ps3 is much better.

For 2011, i wish i could have a modern Maemo tablet. :D

ndi 2011-01-21 22:22

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WereCatf (Post 925679)
No, it can't.

Anything better than that?

WereCatf 2011-01-21 22:29

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 925717)
Anything better than that?

There are no suitable drivers for the GPU, cellular modem, WLAN and a multitude of other devices present in N900, and Windows Phone 7 OS is developed with a DX9-compatible GPU in mind which N900 does not sport anyways.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that it's aimed for multitouch screens which N900 lacks. I don't know how much that would hinder actual usage, but it would most likely atleast pose some rather annoying situations if not completely ruin the usage.

paulkoan 2011-01-21 22:30

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 925717)
Anything better than that?

You could take your n900 outside and stamp on it and get similar results to putting wp7 on it.

RobbieThe1st 2011-01-22 01:44

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
no. NO. No. No. Never. NO. No. No. No. NO. NEVVVEERRRRR.

Not on -MY- LINUX PHONE!!!!!!!

-----
I don't see what WP7 is good for, personally - I don't use Facebook, or (much) in the way of IM - IRC is my only real real-time communication method. I -require- copy&paste, a terminal, a good webbrowser and extensive multitasking. WP7 doesn't do -any- of that.

GEONXT 2011-01-22 02:26

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
I would like it just as another alternative, like Nitdroid.

frostbyte 2011-01-22 02:34

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
I'd like a Vista port. That way when I get uber bored with my smooth sailing N900, I could boot up Vista and have the inevitable "Oh-mothereffing-goddamn-son-of-a-b|tch"-windoze moment :confused:

WereCatf 2011-01-22 08:31

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by frostbyte (Post 925813)
I'd like a Vista port. That way when I get uber bored with my smooth sailing N900, I could boot up Vista and have the inevitable "Oh-mothereffing-goddamn-son-of-a-b|tch"-windoze moment :confused:

Booting up Win9x in Dosbox should be quite close.

m4r0v3r 2011-01-23 23:46

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
it's closed source so basically no...

gerbick 2011-01-24 00:46

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
N900 doesn't have the right specs. WP7 "requires" 1ghz processor with 512mb RAM.

ndi 2011-01-25 13:58

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WereCatf (Post 925719)
There are no suitable drivers for the GPU, cellular modem, WLAN and a multitude of other devices present in N900, and Windows Phone 7 OS is developed with a DX9-compatible GPU in mind which N900 does not sport anyways.

True, but lack of drivers means reduced functionality or poor performance until such drivers are available. This, while perfectly true is a far cry from no, never.

A lot of chips sport Windows drivers or will do so. Maybe the GPU will be an issue, but the rest (GSM driver, GPS, BT) are still perfectly fine to use in newer phones and, thus, could have drivers.

CPU is capable of 1150 MHz, and will do so if the OS allows it, as it does on N900.

As for the other minimums, I am fairly certain they are there to provide smooth sailing. One can install and run XP in a lot less than the minimum requirements. Sure it will be slow(er), but for someone who has need of a feature that will never come to a Linux, it could be a great save.

I can't tell for sure because I have never tried, but if Desktop and CE versions are any indication it will run in 256M.

The biggest issue would be UI stuff without hardware support. With luck, some of the fancy stuff could be disabled. I doubt it will run the nice active wallpaper, but it could perform well for lesser apps, like office.

For example, navigation software runs fine on 400 MHz with no GPU acceleration in handheld devices. At a lower resolution, true. Still, I'd be willing to dual boot for that alone.

lwa 2011-01-31 08:45

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Geez some of the reactions here....

"NoT *****y M$ WinD0z oN My l337 H4x0r B0x!!!?!!!"

I still use my n900 as my daily phone, its the only phone I own, and yes it has its merit (although admittedly I am counting down the months until I can upgrade my contract...)

I wont be getting a win7 phone because I do like multitasking and it is too limiting, but its about doing it so it can be done. I dont think anyone said "I really NEED a copy of windows 95 on my n900 that takes 20 min to load", it was done simply because it could be..

You would think the guy asked if it was OK to fool around with his sister from some of the reactions.. not simply asking if one of the 3 biggest OS's in terms of mindshare could be run on his supposedly very open and modifiable phone in a community that supposedly prides itself on modifying devices and pushing the envelope on what the device can do simply because they can.... guest he must have come to the wrong place... :confused:

m4r0v3r 2011-01-31 09:08

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
with all the OS's that you can put on the N900 from Android to WIndows 95, the one that runs the best is Maemo, installing another OS will not make the phone magically faster unless it's a Lite version of Maemo. Some OS's such as Android do have tools that you will need to use, but an entire reboot is just too much work to stop what your doing and use ONE tool.

ndi 2011-01-31 11:17

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
This is Platform > Alternatives forum. One should expect people visiting to understand this is where people considering or who are interested in platform alternatives gather.

I have always considered people who feel very strongly about one or another to be on the wrong cause. People, if you have energy to spare, save a darned hungry child. Feed the hungry. Clothe the poor. Help the sick. There are so many noble causes out there.

bkkick 2011-02-17 00:57

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Why the hell do they make then something like windows mobile 7 which even can't multitask, can't copy/paste, and cannot install apps from 3rd parties. I mean is that so f@cking hard to put those things into windows mobile 7? they can made a whole OS **** but cant put the important things into the OS. How f@ck is that! :eek::eek:::mad::mad:

shallimus 2011-02-17 01:23

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bkkick (Post 948530)
Why the hell do they make then something like windows mobile 7 which even can't multitask, can't copy/paste, and cannot install apps from 3rd parties. I mean is that so f@cking hard to put those things into windows mobile 7? they can made a whole OS **** but cant put the important things into the OS. How f@ck is that! :eek::eek:::mad::mad:

...but these "exciting" "new" features are being added sooner thank we had hoped!

Whatever.

bkkick 2011-02-17 16:13

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shallimus (Post 948544)
...but these "exciting" "new" features are being added sooner thank we had hoped!

Whatever.


So you mean that those things will be added to the Windows mobile 7 sooner?

vi_ 2011-02-17 16:19

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
NoT *****y M$ WinD0z oN My l337 H4x0r B0x!!!?!!!

ndi 2011-02-17 16:30

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bkkick (Post 949013)
So you mean that those things will be added to the Windows mobile 7 sooner?

Windows Mobile is dead. Windows 7 is called Windows Phone, because most has been rewritten. As a result, compaibility was broken.

Still a young OS (hence the rewrite reference), it has a few things missing or disabled, because MS chose to disable them rather than having them buggy.

Multitasking, for example, is disabled until it's smoothed out and has been announced to make a comeback soon.

Some have speculated that having WP7 will mean no copy paste, no multitasking, etc. While technically correct now, MS has announced the features and promised to release them in smaller updates, before yearly updates roll.

So, WP7 will be getting some of its features sooner rather than later. I assume that's what he means.

roger_27 2011-02-17 16:49

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
getting back to the original topic

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69688

PowerUser 2011-02-17 17:21

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Why the h3ll you may need to buy multitasking phone with clipboard and then downgrade it to single task and lose clipboard? Just curious.

bkkick 2011-02-18 00:09

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 949028)
Windows Mobile is dead. Windows 7 is called Windows Phone, because most has been rewritten. As a result, compaibility was broken.

Still a young OS (hence the rewrite reference), it has a few things missing or disabled, because MS chose to disable them rather than having them buggy.

Multitasking, for example, is disabled until it's smoothed out and has been announced to make a comeback soon.

Some have speculated that having WP7 will mean no copy paste, no multitasking, etc. While technically correct now, MS has announced the features and promised to release them in smaller updates, before yearly updates roll.


So, WP7 will be getting some of its features sooner rather than later. I assume that's what he means.


Oh I see yea thatīs true. Thanks for your replay:)

shockgiga 2011-02-22 01:18

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
i have stumbled upon this picture of the zune HD running phone7-ish firmware. i noticed it is a custom one without the 3 required hardware buttons below the screen and no arrow icon on the right side.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget..../zunermain.jpg

now that the ms team is working with nokia's hardware team, "maybe" a custom port with basic functionalities maybe possible for arm architecture.

in the end of the day, it's just up to them actually.

ME2g 2011-02-28 11:05

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ammadtira (Post 586654)
Any wise man here who can help me??

With all the bugs in MS OSes
(e.g. the newest being this one:
"Microsoft's virus scanner causes security problem"
[ http://www.h-online.com/security/new...m-1196731.html ] )
and the missing things in WP7, all the wise man will probably
tell you to keep your fingers away from MS.
;-)

sinaisix 2011-02-28 13:49

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 949028)
Windows Mobile is dead. Windows 7 is called Windows Phone, because most has been rewritten. As a result, compaibility was broken.

Still a young OS (hence the rewrite reference), it has a few things missing or disabled, because MS chose to disable them rather than having them buggy.

Multitasking, for example, is disabled until it's smoothed out and has been announced to make a comeback soon.

Some have speculated that having WP7 will mean no copy paste, no multitasking, etc. While technically correct now, MS has announced the features and promised to release them in smaller updates, before yearly updates roll.

So, WP7 will be getting some of its features sooner rather than later. I assume that's what he means.

Like seriously? A company the size of M$ still cannot dev an OS that is ready out of the box? They'd need to do it piecemeal? In any case, why would anyone want to use WP7 on the N900?:eek:

zdanee 2011-02-28 14:16

Re: Windows Phone 7 on N900??
 
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Nokia decided to test WP7 on their already existing test hardware, the N900, before they start to make new phones. On the other hand, a Qt GUI imitating the Metro interface would be easier to write than port that crappy OS to the N900. Also based on the WP7 system requirements the N900 doesn't have a fast enough CPU (600MHz vs 1GHz), enough memory (256MB vs 512MB), lacks hw buttons (qwerty does not count in this case), and as far as I know WP7 currently runs only on one specific hardware, thus the strict requirements.


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