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eikido 2010-04-08 18:54

Re: Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 
Well, iphone is still very low resolutionish for such a large screen. Thats a big deal. But they need to make the game graphics wow so thats an easy solution

Reggie 2010-04-08 19:00

Re: Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 
Here's another good topic to debate about: ;)

From the Q&A (via Engadget):

Q: How do you close applications when multitasking?
A: (Scott Forstall) You don't have to. The user just uses things and doesn't ever have to worry about it.
A: (Steve Jobs) It's like we said on the iPad, if you see a stylus, they blew it. In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it. Users shouldn't ever have to think about it.

anidel 2010-04-08 19:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty12 (Post 601355)
This "state-based multitasking" isn't new, either. While I won't claim Nokia was the first, the N800 and N810 provided the ability for applications to save their state to disk via the libosso API and be suspended when the available memory was low. Unfortunately, I believe the only third-party app to do this was Xarchiver...

Wrong. Xournal handles those messages. Although I've got to re-check them.

Aniello :P

PS: yeah I do remember the "zzz" on the icon when the app was suspended due to lack of RAM :) pretty cool touch.

anidel 2010-04-08 19:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 601465)
Here's another good topic to debate about: ;)

From the Q&A (via Engadget):

Q: How do you close applications when multitasking?
A: (Scott Forstall) You don't have to. The user just uses things and doesn't ever have to worry about it.
A: (Steve Jobs) It's like we said on the iPad, if you see a stylus, they blew it. In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it. Users shouldn't ever have to think about it.

So if by mistake I'm uploading my girlfriend naked pictures... I'm f***d?
I can't stop it ?

Rauha 2010-04-08 19:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anidel (Post 601483)
So if by mistake I'm uploading my girlfriend naked pictures... I'm f***d?
I can't stop it ?

You could allways quickly remove the battery....

JMacalinao 2010-04-08 19:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 601406)
It will be available on iPhone 3GS, Touch 3rd gen and iPad.

It won't be available on the original iPhone, iPhone 3G, Touch 1st and 2nd gen.

Just a correction:

It will also be available for the iPhone 3G and iPod Touch 2nd-gen, except that they won't include that pseudo-multitasking feature. [Source: Gizmodo]

Well, that makes my old first-gen iPhone irrelevant now. :P

Rauha 2010-04-08 19:36

Re: Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 
Strange that Iphone 3G gets iPhone OS 4.0 update (sans multitasking), but the original iPhone doesn't. They have same CPU, RAM, GPU etc.

Wonder how much crying that will cause.

ossipena 2010-04-08 19:56

Re: Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 601523)
Strange that Iphone 3G gets iPhone OS 4.0 update (sans multitasking), but the original iPhone doesn't. They have same CPU, RAM, GPU etc.

Wonder how much crying that will cause.

3g will probably be dumped when 5.0 arrives. so it is supported artificially as long as original iPhone with this move.

my 2 cents

Rauha 2010-04-08 20:41

Re: Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 601465)
In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it. Users shouldn't ever have to think about it.

Task manager apps will be the future top-sellers at iTunes app store. Start developing now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9zDv8BivYw (<--- S6...no I meant iPhone's intuitive, elegant and innovative multitasking interface)

luckylefty 2010-04-08 20:42

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he should took this design idea instead what he showed even if its photoshop.

http://www.mobilewhack.com/wp-conten...4g-concept.jpg

wierdo 2010-04-08 20:46

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Wow. I'm underwhelmed.

Naranek 2010-04-08 20:54

Re: Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crown77 (Post 601276)
ohh yes multitasking was one of the major reasons for me to buy the n900 now there are not much really good arguments for the N900 beside the open source.

Funny - for me the open source is a huge reason, because the device is an actual multifunctional computer. But I understand that people have different motivations and reasons. Luckily there are good devices for both of us :)

chase15 2010-04-08 21:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 601489)
You could allways quickly remove the battery....

lmao.. how are you going to do that on an iPhone?

juise- 2010-04-08 22:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chase15 (Post 601697)
lmao.. how are you going to do that on an iPhone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFcslxugVZI

tso 2010-04-08 22:47

Re: Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 601523)
Strange that Iphone 3G gets iPhone OS 4.0 update (sans multitasking), but the original iPhone doesn't. They have same CPU, RAM, GPU etc.

Wonder how much crying that will cause.

how long since the 3G got launched? the usual at&t contract length is 2 years, right?

daperl 2010-04-09 00:56

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I think my iPod touch is running at 532 MHz. Both my n810 and my n800 multi-task just fine at 400 MHz with a very, very similar CPU and a much heavier OS, and Apple doesn't consider the iPod touch 2G psuedo multi-tasking worthy? They are truly software pussies.

Laughing Man 2010-04-09 01:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 602029)
I think my iPod touch is running at 532 MHz. Both my n810 and my n800 multi-task just fine at 400 MHz with a very, very similar CPU and a much heavier OS, and Apple doesn't consider the iPod touch 2G psuedo multi-tasking worthy? They are truly software pussies.

I've concluded that the thing about Apple is that if they can't implement it in a fashion where the functionality will not harm the perception of Apple products then they will choose to omit it until they can either get it working or until people forget about it (with the help of marketing).

For example, cut/copy and paste, multi-tasking, etc..It's likely that they don't want the perception of Apple products to be poor at say multi-tasking so instead of letting users try it out themselves and learn that it's a bad idea to run X many heavy apps at once they rather just not let them do it at all.

Part of that is why I can never own an Apple product. If I did I would constantly be fighting against their walls (e.g. jailbreaking) which as we can see Apple is more than willing to play the cat and mouse game with jailbreakers.

m165 2010-04-09 01:11

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i saw a tweet saying the N900 could have a premature death because of this "so called" multi-tasking on the iPhone.

I laughed!

Techark 2010-04-09 04:23

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Of course he thinks it is good. Because now iphone users can be flooded with pop up ads from the ad company that Apple bought.
In fact Jobs says he thinks he can be serving up to 1 billion ads per day.

IAds coming to a Iphone near you.
Apple having complete control over your device and content even better.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/mu...-1225851788118

stas123 2010-04-09 04:34

Re: Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 
Let's not forget the difference in price points and value for money.

Here in Canada,
The N900 sells for $570.
The 3G sells for $600.
The iPhone 3GS in currently priced at $700/$800 for the 16/32GB version.

At that pricing, the two 3GS models are 23% and 40% more expensive than the N900, respectively.


Once iPhone 4.0 hits, it will likely replace the 3GS in pricing, which will take the place of 3G. By that time, the N900 will be even cheaper.

For reference, today 1 USD = 1.00139 CAD

ysss 2010-04-09 05:42

Re: Steve Jobs says 3rd party multi-tasking good
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Techark (Post 602182)
Of course he thinks it is good. Because now iphone users can be flooded with pop up ads from the ad company that Apple bought.
In fact Jobs says he thinks he can be serving up to 1 billion ads per day.

IAds coming to a Iphone near you.
Apple having complete control over your device and content even better.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/mu...-1225851788118

It's an optional ad framework that can be optionally inserted to an app. It's primarily targeted to create revenue streams for free apps. I'm sure there'll be a huge backlash if such ad is inserted into a paid-for app.


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