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abill_uk 2010-04-20 14:21

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by Matan (Post 619363)
I have an N810. I am going to visit Italy soon. I open maps application, see Italy in the list of available maps (as I knew it will be when I bought the device). I try to download this map, and get "Network error", instead of a map.

Nokia got my money already. Nokia does not provide the service they got the money for. I warn other people not to trust Nokia with their money. How does Nokia not deserve this bad publicity?

I got to agree once again here because Nokia did no way let anyone know about the HUGE amount of problems software wise the N900 has and all because of what ? simple... they never did there research properly to start with PRIOR to allowing the N900 to be marketed as a mobile / computer and thats before they started to actually sell it direct to end user.
The fundementals of the software at least have to be somewhat in the direction of the hardware and that is the big downfall of the N900 because no way did Nokia let anyone know of the massive amount of flaws in the software alone, look at the endless list of problematic issues on this forum regarding just about every aspect of what the hardware of the N900 should be capable of doing and isnt all because the software was massively incomplete.
I dont care what anyone says on this forum but for me the N900 is probably Nokia's worst mobile anything !
And to top that up they cannot even be bothered to issue a public statement or get there act together regarding some of the minor but hugely importand issues the n900 has with a much needed update.
IF Nokia had marketed the N900 as an incomplete sotwarewise mobile with all the problems it has , they would probably not have sold a 100 units !.
Nokia have a hell of a lot to answer for on this one for sure.
Please remember this thread states ... buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo .... those actual words mean what is obvious and that the N900 is just not capable of much at all right now for it being a mobile phone / computer.

ysss 2010-04-20 14:34

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by andraeseus1 (Post 619388)
what is fud

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fud

andraeseus1 2010-04-21 08:03

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 619452)

that was funnny. seriously. with 3 n's. i didnt know it had a actualy official term. learn something new every day

johnel 2010-04-21 08:20

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by yukop4 (Post 615378)
a warning to all n900 buyers-before maemo 5 -which is the software on the n900 there was maemo 4 and the internet tablets n810 n800 and going back further the n770

one of the main selling points of the tablets was the gps function-wayfinder provided the maps but then last month wayfinder was closed down by vodafone and suddenly with no prior warning to tablet owners gps does not work-no support

their is a lesson here and it is simple one -there is no guarantee that nokia will stand by its products-

before you go and shell out hundreds of dollars for a product with maemo os -such as the n900 or the internet tablets bare in mind that the same thing can happen to you

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/...hitChecker.jpg

MicroChip123 2010-04-21 08:39

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
I also have this problem with wayfinder

basically if you reflash you cant activate wayfinder and therefore use it.

the maps download has also been removed. if someone has links or torrents to them i would like them.

If you have paid for it and have a old backup of settings where wayfinder was activated you can follow my instructions here.

I called wayfinder a few weeks ago and they are just saying there are almost closed down and there is nothing they can do.

you could try and claim off your credit card company as they are no longer providing the service you paid for.

Matan 2010-04-21 09:30

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by johnel (Post 620604)

This is a great fanboi response to a legitimate concern.

yukop4 2010-04-21 10:16

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by Matan (Post 620687)
This is a great fanboi response to a legitimate concern.

we could always invite everyone who is affected by wayfinders decision to start posting on this tthread-i just to make a point about shoddy business practices

johnel 2010-04-21 10:32

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by Matan (Post 620687)
This is a great fanboi response to a legitimate concern.

Yeah because the title "buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo " is not reactionary or alarmist in the slightest.

Maybe something like "wayfinder was closed down by vodafone" would be more relevant.

Maybe try and contact Vodafone and express your concerns?

Maybe sign a petition and then send it to Vodafone perhaps Nokia too?

Maybe contact Nokia and see what they say?

Is it beyond the realms of writing alternative software to do the same thing?

With the possibility of MeeGo on the horizon maybe your device will get further support. (To be honest that is pure speculation on my part).


Personally I think Nokia have made a few mistakes and like any other company are not perfect.

But starting a thread and ranting about it will achieve absolutely nothing except feed your own ego.

Andre Klapper 2010-04-21 10:53

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by Matan (Post 620792)
Nokia sold a service, took the money and does not provide the service.

Yeah, and others say that Wayfinder is 3rd party.
So, two different opinions, all said.
See ya.

johnel 2010-04-21 10:55

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
I like the Internet because I find stuff like this http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...wayfinder.html
and this http://www.wayfinder.com/
and this http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/...nd_google.html

Nokia offers a free version of mapping software but unfortunately not for maemo users - there is a rumour it will be.

Matan 2010-04-21 10:58

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
I did not pay wayfinder for the N810, I paid Nokia.
If Nokia have no problem hiding behind "third party", and not fulfil their part of a deal, I think it is reasonable to warn people that they do that.

I wonder if their "comes with music" is provided by Nokia or by a third party, which they will have no problem to close down some time in the future.

abill_uk 2010-04-21 13:02

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
Matan as much as i agree with you and also on the subject of "fanboi" comments i think what they are saying is maybe you should write to Nokia direct about your concerns.
Yes they are die hard Nokia fans but thats the way they are ha and we wont change that but we (you n i ) have similar views but deal with it in a different way.
Nokia for my thinking are a very clever company who know how to stay alive in a cometitive world and are obviously clapping there hands in appraisal for this very community helping there cause etc.
Yes they are wrong in the way they treat end user and you and i alone can do very little but if only the "fanboi's" and the rest of Nokia N900 mobile owners could just get together then just maybe we could make an impact.(even the fanboi's have grievences with nokia ha !)
Chill Matan all will be ok i am sure in the end, i am as angry as you obviously are but have a different way of dealing with it.

yukop4 2010-04-21 13:05

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
its simple-this is what i did
i went and bought a garmin for $180 and i will buy a dell or ipad next month for browsing
i will also not buy nokia again
so
johnel
what are you going to do
do you even own a n810
as to the bad publicity
in this case it would be in nokia interests to
do something
like warn customers that the maps might not work on the tablets
because that would be the right thing to do
instead of leaving up to me
the consumer

Texrat 2010-04-21 13:13

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
OK, that's enough guys. No more personal attacks. Ironically, including by those who chastised others for them.

johnel 2010-04-21 13:53

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yukop4 (Post 620982)
its simple-this is what i did
i went and bought a garmin for $180 and i will buy a dell or ipad next month for browsing
i will also not buy nokia again
so
johnel
what are you going to do
do you even own a n810
as to the bad publicity
in this case it would be in nokia interests to
do something
like warn customers that the maps might not work on the tablets
because that would be the right thing to do
instead of leaving up to me
the consumer

I did suggest this

sebastian_ua 2010-04-21 14:17

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by johnel (Post 621038)
I did suggest this

I kind of agree with you, but Nokia marketing keeps emailing about planning trips, using 'forever' maps and that stuff. that sounds like irony to me. it could sound as flout to others. and they know I'm on n900 so I have no those features,.. why to focus on that. I keep waiting, not a big deal, but I hate that. and Nokia says it is Agile company; their development style has nothing about Agile, at least their delivery model.

what I disagree with you is that Nokia released unstable n900 to get the market. and they knew!!! it was unstable, so that was not a mistake but planned action. agile... f-ing agile organization)

so I don't like what they did, but anyway, will keep waiting for all stuff fixed, I like nokia, would not change it to i-crap. n900 provide more it does not, need to just focus on what we have.

yukop4 2010-04-21 21:20

Re: buyer beware- of nokia products and maemo
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_ua (Post 621080)
I kind of agree with you, but Nokia marketing keeps emailing about planning trips, using 'forever' maps and that stuff. that sounds like irony to me. it could sound as flout to others. and they know I'm on n900 so I have no those features,.. why to focus on that. I keep waiting, not a big deal, but I hate that. and Nokia says it is Agile company; their development style has nothing about Agile, at least their delivery model.

what I disagree with you is that Nokia released unstable n900 to get the market. and they knew!!! it was unstable, so that was not a mistake but planned action. agile... f-ing agile organization)

so I don't like what they did, but anyway, will keep waiting for all stuff fixed, I like nokia, would not change it to i-crap. n900 provide more it does not, need to just focus on what we have.

keep waiting for all stuff fixed

where have i heard that before

there are people still waiting who own n770

3 models back

to get stuff fixed

lol

bjknight 2010-04-21 21:23

Re: Buyer beware: Nokia products and Maemo
 
And today, Google announces free Google Maps with turn by turn and voice control and voice-guidance on Android.

Grrr...


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