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Awesome news!
I can't wait to have a play with it (Dual Boot from SD).

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

This is music to my ears.

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meego pics on N900, http://bbs.dospy.com/thread-7273492-1-315-1.html, I know you cant read Chinese, just enjoy the pics. Ah, you can read the meego roadmaps, it is not in any lanaguage :) meego v.1.0 release in may (?!)

bun

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

old pictures, as i know they are prototype. and it's not even sure if they are on n900. as i understand meego is only base and any company can make it's own UI. so if intel wants to make one UI it doesn't mean nokia wouldn't do it's own

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

I was wondering, what happened to the planned May 1st release?

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

It's planned for May (1-31), not May 1st.

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

I think they now said its the end of May for the netbook UX, and after that for the handset UX,so.... set your expectatons

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@qgil, I suggest you to always remember "Meego to N900" project doesn't mean yet a full support commitment from Nokia, maybe using the wiki link for further explanation. I know you already answered this on the past, but every post about this subject generate false assumptions for newer or less informed members...

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

Not his fault, people should know what MeeGo is when asking this kind of questions.

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Have there been any updates on MeeGo (and/or N900), yet?
Does the downloadable version have a working GUI or still CLI?

I won't test it until I can get an OS to boot from SD (I have failed each try).

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

Any Updates ???????????????????????

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

maybe could you try to compile DuiHome
on Meego Preview Release
and get running on N900,

look here :
http://qt.gitorious.com/maemo-6-ui-framework

then you'll have an OS with Qt Handset UI from Nokia running on your N900 !!!

PLEEEEEEEASE do it !!

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

For those wanting updates, we now work in the open for most issues. Just had our first public synchronisation meeting as well.

Our primary page is http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 with agendas and meeting minutes.

Keep in mind our work is hardware adaptation and we don't really have much to do with the user experiences and nothing to do with productization. However, those into kernels on N900, drivers, how to port MeeGo, we're a good thing to follow :)

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Fingers-crossed this happens (my nipples itch just thinking about it)

However:
Yikes!

Booohhhh!

At last a proper open n900 is looking more likely.


(Huge thanks to everyone that is making this possible)

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

Can't wait!

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Regarding hack, we've moved to a full mainline 2.6.33 kernel and upstreamed things - I'm personally not surprised we're a bit late to have it integrated, enormous effort.

At least we're noting something is wrong and we need to fix it ;)

However, please set your expectations right:

08:10:54 <Hah> UI for N900 will not be part of May release

This is part of TSG decision to move Handset UX release to a little after May release, it was mentioned and indicated at the previous TSG meeting.

However, as you can see, in our little part of the world, a lot of effort is going in.

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This is fair enough. It makes sense to get the foundation right before releasing the gui.

Will the "May" release be functionally "complete" (using the term very loosely!)?

E.g. The foundation has call-making software and BME support.

If that is the case the UI - to a certain extent is "not that important".

If a "fully" functional foundation is released then will there be an ability to install your own gui and possible write your own gui apps for n900 MeeGo.
In theory could you write a phone app similar to what is available in maemo now?

Absolutely, considering the time it took to get this far is impressive and an enormous achievement.

You should be proud of yourselves!

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

Provided the ofono stack is up to par, then yes. BME is kinda needed, a OS without charging is annoying to work with.

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Correct me if I'm wrong: What we're getting is a vanilla MeeGo release with Harmattan UX. But unlike next MeeGo-Harmattan phone, our OS will be using RPM instead of DEB right?

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Regarding the what the MeeGo release with Handset UX contains, you'll have to look at sources otherwise than the hardware adaptation here. This project deals with making MeeGo Core + an eventual UX work great on the N900.

You're right however, that it's RPM based.

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i have a question about the Meego project for the N900...

will u use emulation for multi touch?

with that i mean for example using:
1.one finger to cover the "Proximity Sensor" and with the other finger swipe left and right - to zoom in and out. ...a mirror swipe is emulated on the opposite side of the screen when the proximity sensor is covered
2. """"" "Proximity Sensor" and with the other finger tap - to make a double finger tap (at the position u tap).
3. """"" "Proximity Sensor and with the other finger swipe "up+left" at the same time - to rotate.
4. """"" "Proximity Sensor and with the other finger swipe up for etc....
5. """"" "Proximity Sensor and with the other finger swipe, starting in the center of the screen - emulates 2 fingers swiping in the same direction for scrolling.
6. covering the Proximity Sensor (and uncovering it again) without tapping the screen enters custom mode and records up to 3 taps/swipes and activates them simultanously next time the sensor is covered...

i guess u've already thought about this idea... but maybe there are some problems im not thinking of... maybe the proximity sensor is dependent on proper light levels in the room???

the advantage is that u wont need to rewrite every single program to get them 100% compatible with single-touch. but i guess it will be complicated creating a feature like this (drivers and such).


god bless nokia for adding a proximity sensor to the n900 - its like they've thought about the multi touch possibilities before hand. but i guess a hardware key would do the trick as well (but no need to sacrifice one now). :)

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

About MeeGo 1.0 Core release for N900

It does NOT include

- Mobile UI/UX (N900 will boot to Xterm)
- Reference Applications

It is intended for MeeGo developers for development purposes, and

- has practically NO value for end users
- has little value for MeeGo application developers.

Please do NOT install it if you don't know what you need it for.

For mor in formation, pls. see
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900

Br,
//Harri

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

[QUOTE=S0urcerr0r;681468]i have a question about the Meego project for the N900...

will u use emulation for multi touch?
with that i mean for example using:
...

Frankly, we are not there yet, and have not discussed about this as far as I know. If you are willing to implement something like that please join to project.

Everybody should understand, that the whole MeeGo project has practically just started and we have to play catchup to even get to same level than Maemo 5 and Harmattan.

We have lot's of code that we can reuse from both of those, and we are trying to do that in as intelligent and efficient way than we can, but still it takes lots of time and energy.

Br,
//Harri

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Harri:
Thanks! excellent answers!
do u know where we stand from a Drivers perspective?
1. will the unofficial release of Meego for N900 be able to use all hardware incl powervr graphics, sound, wlan, bluetooth and phone hardware - or are there some closed source drivers that this project will be unable to utilize?
2. will nokia provide the Meego project (N900) with newer driver revisions for the SGX535? i guess drivers are developed behind closed doors so it will probably decide quite a bit about N900 performance if these drivers become available.

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

Some of the drivers use/load closed firmware blobs to chips, and we are currently figuring out what is best way to re-distribute those for MeeGo purposes.

For now those are provided from Nokia owned prepository in tablets-dev.nokia.com

We are already using latest possible SGX drivers (from Harmattan project). The same will apply for many other drivers as well, like modem stack/ audio drivers.

Br,
//Harri

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

Very good ideas btw!

You could start a new thread to [Brainstorm] to suggest someone implementing these, like Fennec folks.

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thanks harrihakulinen and zimon for the answers :)

zimon:
yes. its also good that u mentioned it here so that developers knows that it is a big request (...and maybe other ppl can click thanks on mine or harri's reply post so it doesnt hog the thread too much). i really hope thats how it will be done to preserve compatibility with as many Meego apps as possible.

the proximity sensor acts a little bit laggy in some games/phoneapp. but maybe its due to the game itself. or maybe it have a little delay in updating its state, to limit "noise" (so the state doesnt jump back and forth)...
anyway, this feature is almost a must, no matter of a little lag, for a fully compatible meego distribution...

im gonna check out that brainstorm and see if i can make a more proper post :)

even though im a really bad programmer atm i will also check out the Meego SDK and see if it is something i could pull out with time.
although i think it must be done at "Driver level" to ensure full compatibility with apps/games communicating directly with the driver, bypassing the OS default inputs - and that will probably require coding ARM assembler, an area where im currently totally lost...

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excellent thread,,God bless you all developers who are trying to pull Meego on N900

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horay! I'll help with the language pack if possoble. I can provide a whole UI translation to Khmer

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So if I understand correctly, the Meego base release should have 3D acceleration, and these newer drivers should expose Vsync?

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7459
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7459#c3

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great idea i hope there are some really skilled graphics programmers in the crew - and that this issue gets high priority... this will lay a good ground to let the community take over (in time), and add eyecandy effects on par with htc desire...

the community seems to be well suited to customize and add applications - and the only thing that will hold the community coders back, is if the final Meego release turns out to be too heavyweight for the hardware... it should be as lightweight as possible so it leaves room for additional weight (eyecandy and apps).

for comparisson, i remember using something called XSOS2.0 (a stripped windows xp version) on a old computer. it really gave some serious performance boost (compared to stock WinXP) and eliminated most background tasks that is usually hogging in the background (...services that most people dont use anyway). XSOS had fullblown drivers and 98% compatibility with apps and left plenty of resources for eyecandy and a lagfree experience.

this approach may also be needed to get full framerate while using the N900's camcorder. and if virtual memory can be disabled by the user i think this issue will dissappear.

there could be a menu called "advanced settings" where the user can decide which background tasks they find useful, and can disable the other ones to maximize possible achievable speed.

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

how about just fake multitouch. lets put some more maths into this multitouch on a resistive screen thing

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

if fake multi touch works well it may be a good idea.
however i think the accuracy drops if that approach is used. the screen would in worst case autodetect a one finger operation as a "multi touch operation", if the finger follows a certain pattern.
but im too inexperienced with it to make a accurate judgement... if the "PRESSURE sensitivity" can be activated on multiple parts of screen simultaneously fake multitouch could work really well.

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

lovly stuff!

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Meego project team:

dont forget this thread with more information if any major news comes along... :)

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yeah im interested to hear what the last 2 and a half weeks or so have produced, keep us updated team :) thanks for the good work!

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Who is running the show?

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

According to the official wiki page, Nokia is contributing people, but it's not just a Nokia project. Since this is a MeeGo project and not solely a Nokia endeavor, I think they are trying to have much of the discussion be on MeeGo turf. The Handset subforum for MeeGo is here -- there's a little bit of activity there.

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any news??? i suppose theres nothing new to tell us about since there are no updates here. but it would still be nice to see some kind of update.

Re: Brief status of "MeeGo to N900" project
 

We usually participate in this thread over at forum.meego.com and do announcements and such:

http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=7906#post7906