Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Those who neglect history are doomed to repeat it - <paraphrase>

I can't take a conversation serious if you're that unwilling to do any research beyond anytime you were born. Our conversation will be very limited and only suits you.

And I... am as egocentric as you. And that is what is wrong with folks. Everybody is all about "me, me, me" when honestly it serves nobody.

I do get what you're saying; but the whole Cult of Mac and Micro$oft days are preceded by a bunch of that stuff and sets the pace for the current stuff going on. I don't subscribe to either despite being a Mac user/owner, a MCSE and Exchange admin and a Linux/AIX admin.

Guess I want something that benefits more than just myself. And nobody is delivering that right now.

And Apple is far from perfect. I still can recreate a few issues from OS X 10 initial release that have yet to be fixed.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

I won't argue with you. You are far more mature..but I'm 20 lol. I don't care about the past. So you get my point though? I hate the fact that they say that Apple products are perfect..

I managed to get this thread off topic.. although the topic wasn't so great to begin with. Keep bashing the iphone or N900..

P.S. A linux and a MS admin. I wish to become that one day (still studying).

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

hmmm, silence...

Possibly a better way to have argued against the iphone would have been to talk about fully fledged desktop app's, possibly the resistive screen and hardware keyboard of the n900.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Shush..you'll wake them up..

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

There are people who don't want to be able to use Flash no matter what? That seems like a dumb point of view to me. I think there are many more people who want to disable flash until they actually need it for some reason.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

In my country, we call this penis envy

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Do you have any stats to backup your opposition? I stated my opinion.

Bluetooth is slower than wi-fi. I'm quite sure you know that by now.

And if you wish to have some serious discussion with me, or any adult; I'd suggest that the knee-jerk reaction as you've just shown be avoided. Simply put, talk to me as an adult, I will do so with you. No need for some over the top antics of "If you don't like it, then remove it!!!!!!1" type of stuff. I won't even take you serious by the way you posted. Not worth my time.

In fact, regarding "remove bluetooth", I never said it. I'll wait for you to share with me where I said remove bluetooth.

I will not use a PAN protocol to transport half a gig of data; I'd save that for something better suited, like wi-fi.

People need to learn how to discuss instead of attacking. You might get something out of it in return other than the vitriol you pour into your verbiage.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

imperiallight
You are missing the point, the N900 does all that from scratch, you don´t have to buy or install appstore software to make it work.

And by the way Opera Mini its not a proper browser, the render is made on Opera Servers, so forget about Scripts and good stuff. App store rules won´t allow the iphone to render the webpage itself, has to be made outside (all you see is a image with hyperlinks...)

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Oh, I'm definitely not arguing with you, just discussing. And I agree... the whole concept that was put forth by the "Cult of Mac" that all Mac products are "perfect" can be annoying if you pay attention to that mess.

But logic dictates that nothing is perfect.

You seem very intelligent and very capable. I wish you luck on your endeavors and I'm quite sure you will get there very soon.

Take care.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

yeah your right. but at least there is a going thread that prospective iphone buyers can use to see if it is for them or not. i wish a threat like this was out when i bought my n900. i still would have bought it though lol but at least i would have felt better about doing it. when you research the companies web sites they only tell you all the goodies. its tough to find all this kinda stuff. now people can google search till this popps up and maybe have a little more perspective n whats "best for them"these small inconveniences that may be a big deal to other people. i think this thread rocks so long as people dont get mean about it.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Let's forget about Flash, HTML5 should come to Microb

There's one. Search the Opera 10 beta thread announcement, there's about 10 more in there - and there are many people that have also requested the Flash plugin.

It's really a dumb point to discuss and antagonize an opinion such as you're doing. You have your opinion, I have mine. It's no big secret that I'm for Flash Player 10.1 - I am an Adobe Flex developer and have recently been publishing all of my content at Flash Player 10 levels.

I personally think it's really dumb to overlook the fact that if you don't like Flash on Maemo, Microb has a disable plugin option.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Can you send data over Wi-Fi? I've been wanting to access my PC using the N900 and vice-versa to transfer files. Used to do that on my N95.

Thanks. I only wish I were better at programming. I can edit code and maybe even improve it. Creating..I find it difficult. That's why I went for networking.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

yeah, i had to drive home :) just kidding, i am done. like has been said many times, different devices for different people.

honestly i would prolly have an iphone if it was available factory unlocked and i could swapsims with it.

i have one for testing support issues at work, but it is just a 2g

yes i have jailbroken and unlocked it and cydia, etc, but it is not optimal and it prevents itunes apps now because i dont feel like upgrading software, then finding jb and unlock for new version again. it has been a year or so but i have tested apps like siphon and funambol client, etc, but it was honestly even a little more hackish using cydia apps than using extras-devel now on n900. maybe it is much better now though.

for my needs, right now n900+e72 is best.

and yes, i am somewhat of a nokia fan. despite being profit driven like any other business, i *think* they have good philosophy toward market and consumers.

lord knows i have plenty of iphone users to admin, but for the way our network is setup at work(syncml,sip,xmpp,webdav) nothing is as plug and go for us as a nokia device.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

It was the tone I was talking about. Facts are facts... period.

This thread started off with a bunch of inaccuracies due to lack of experience, research and ultimately a rather sad take on how one OS is better than the other when... neither is really true.

What is best for you might not be best for me. Want "Option 1", so be it. I'm holding out for "Option A". We have different needs. But you better believe that I will do the research to make sure which phone is worth my time as opposed to spew forth a bunch of uneducated opinions and stand behind them like they are facts.

That is what I was saying about this thread. It reads like a badly scripted fanboy thread where it's fine to hate the competition without doing your research whatsoever.

That is what I have a problem with. Don't like something? You're entitled. Don't like something based on facts that you've collected? You're entitled. Don't like something over something you might have heard to be true but didn't take the time to learn if it were 100% true or not? I'd rather err on the side of caution and collect proper data as opposed to spouting something that could be easily corrected but I've dedicated myself to a stance and thus will allow things to dwindle into petty arguments and a shouting match.

Which... this thread will invariably become like the many others before it.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

So, in the interests of fair-mindedness, how about you put up your list of what the N900 should do, but doesn't do (out of the box)?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

The e71 has got to be one of my favourite phones, I still have mine! Just hate it when symbian runs out of memory though.

Nothing still beats the feeling of knocking out a message on an e71 or blackberry in portrait mode one handed on the go! Despite Steve Jobs telling us its just a mental thing to get over.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

i think we need a "things the n900 can't do" thread as well lol.. i dont see nothing wrong with pointing out truthfull statistics. it helps us all make better choices and some one is out there right now reading this thread mulling over weather or not the n900 or the iphone is for them. hell they are probably wondering why a thread like this isnt avcailable for the sprint evo since he is the new kid in town. education and information is a GOOD thing.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

I like this thread, and to me it is the equivalent of that thread about "things you should know about the N900 before buying one" or words to that effect, which listed problems with the N900. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as an old saying goes.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

ok.. nopw i understand. that makes perfect since. i wonder if we can start some threads (with adequet research of course) listing the things that folks might want to know about. only the stuff that phone A "CANT DO" or things that phone b "CANT DO" i hate when you read these reviews and they are totally one sided you know. imo engadget is one of the ones i am talking about. i wish people could just put the facts out there and let people decide for themselves. i would love a web site that i know i could get a unbiased list of do's and donts. and i dont just mean 5 mp camera or not. i mean intricate things liek some of the stuff mentioned here that will bug the crap out of you afdter you already popped for + 400 bucks on a device. the websites only say the good things. i only want to know the bad things. its easy to find the do's hard to find the don'ts

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

To be honest, yes I can. On the iPhone I use Air Sharing. It's a paid app... and honestly thanks to this forum, I found out it was nothing more than a light-httpd and nginx (perhaps something else, but my research has led me to that) and I might recreate that functionality of sending/retrieving files via HTTP to a lightweight WebDAV app for the N810 - I don't own a N900, despite access to one.

Simply put, the power of Linux enables something that I use on the iPhone and paid for, for free on the Maemo devices.

Takes time. Knowing programming at least helps you on your networking. There are times you will have to script out things. Keep plugging away.

You'll get there.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

That's all you can do over wi-fi! :)

Accessing n900 from a Windows PC is certainly possible and discussed here. T'other way must also be possible; I suppose you could access the PC by VNC and using WinSCP then create a SSH session back to the n900, but there is doubtless a more elegant method exists. An ftp server on the PC and one of the devel ftp clients on the n900?

Anyway, nice to see some reverse thread decay - a bashing tthread evolving into one where people are complimentary and actually exchanging views and information...

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

I use openssh on all my machines, and use sftp/scp with a side of rsync for such work.

I think there's also some support for SMB/CIFS in Maemo, but I have no use for that, and haven't been curious enough to mess with it since Chinook days, so I have no idea what the current state is.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

And here is where I'll probably sound like I'm double-talking (bear with me) but honestly... the openness of Maemo means that the things it cannot do right now, the community or some enterprising programmer can make it happen.

Case in point MMS. People were going nuts that a phone released in 2009 didn't have MMS - which, I thought was part of the GSM certification, apparently not.

Well, fMMS came about and I'll be damned if it doesn't add that functionality to the phone. Don't want it, don't install it. Want it? Install it and configure it to your network. Pretty darn cool.

You can't say the same on the non-jailbroken iPhone. I see both sides of the fence - I'm an iPhone owner - but the list of things that the N900 can't do can be shortened if this community decided to code and do stuff as they argue about nothing.

Well that and if you start that kind of thread around here, you'll be labeled a troll, posting flamebait... whereas a thread like this is "ok" it seems.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Yeah I set up an SSH server and VNC server..but I don't like the idea of VNC at all. Not very safe. And I did manage to get it to work with SSH..but I was more interested in the other way round. Access files from my N900 and copy them from my PC to the N900.

The USB cable is not very reliable. I can't connect the mass memory due to it being used by a process to often. And more often than not I'd have to restart to be able to connect the mass memory.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

It's a big one for a lot of people here. Here's the big difference: If I don't want Flash on my N900, I can disable the plugin in MicroB. Done. No more Flash. If I do want Flash on my iPhone.... I'm screwed. Done.

I'd call that a pretty big bulletpoint if you want Flash.

True that. Fanboys are ageless. :)

I'm sorry, but since less than 2% of iPhone owners will ever jailbreak their device, I don't count it as a valid solution. It invalidates your warranty, and technically your contract not only with Apple, but in the US also with the provider (AT&T). They've actively blocked updates in the past for JB devices, and on a few occasions people have bricked their iPhone either trying to JB or trying to update after a JB.

That's a strong point of the N900. You want root on the device? Done. You want to access things at the core of the device? Have at it. You can always re-flash it yourself with a freely provided stock image and bring it back to a known starting point. Apple is not as forth coming with their firmware images, and the iPhone doesn't have a fail-safe way to re-flash an otherwise bricked phone. (Open-Apple+U while powering on maybe?)

Proof of the point: A friend of mine (with an iPhone) and I both took video of a party at a third friends place. The third friend wanted a copy of both videos for his own archives. None of us had a micro USB cable, or the iPhone cable (or iTunes). I was able to send it via bluetooth to his laptop on the spot, and lacking that I could have shared it to Facebook or a couple other places and shared it there. Bluetooth took a while, but by time the party was winding up, he had his copy. My iPhone friend had to go home, find his cable, update iTunes, and then had to find a place to upload it to, since it was too large to e-mail. :P Oh, and it was in an odd format that my third friend had to convert into something else in order to view it.

There are some things an open system can do better. Features and functions are going to be better on an open system. With closed systems you can control stability and product feel better, which the iPhone does well, but it does so at a price.

As for the OP, yeah, I'm not a fan of iPhone bashing in general. But at the same time I think it's good to see a list of differences, since we do constantly get bashed for not being like and iPhone. Usually people whine about how the N900 is harder to update/maintain, etc, vs the iPhone. That's the price to pay for the extra functionality. (And if you jailbreak an iPhone and load it full of crap 3rd party stuff, it stutters and fails too. Just with less of a safety net if something goes seriously wrong. :rolleyes: )

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Yeah, like I said. Install openssh (or some other ssh server) on the PC, and use scp/sftp, or if you like, maybe gftp. (Y'know, I didn't even mention VNC, although I have used it some, because I was talking about file transfer...)

Yeah, I practically never use the cable to transfer data. It's a capability you couldn't launch without, but it's still an ugly kludge. USB networking is standardized, so an FTP server or similar should be as easy, and would be much more sane IMO. And since wireless works, I've no motivation to tinker with USB at all. It's good for flashing, charging, and eventually host mode.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Woody, you have greatly changed your tone from the beginning to now. I'm glad to see that your intelligence (I knew it was there) is coming out finally 100%.

Congrats and keep doing it. You're becoming (if not already) an asset to this community.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

How do you set it up to pick up any wifi? Mine requires me to manually opt-in to every wifi network, which is annoying if you want to steal open wifis.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Sure, the closer you can get to an 3G laptop on your phone the better really imo. A super slim and light, possibly even smaller screen size higher DPI, pinetrail version of the xpphone would be almost ideal. Albiet with a current phone OS switcher mode.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

:confused: Hmm.. How to take that... It's kinda a backhanded comment, no?

Like, "Damn, you're not half as ugly as you were 5 years ago..." :p
Did you just call me ugly? :rolleyes:

I think it's less of a change in tone and more that we just started out on the wrong foot.

I do like where this thread is going though overall. As someone said earlier, a reverse decay into something useful. :)

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

It's a compliment. A sincere one.

I'll save the "Yo' mama is so ugly..." jokes for later.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

By it you mean the N900 right?

For the N900: Menu > Settings > Internet Connections > Always Connect > WLAN

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Well, I don't think that's what he meant. What he was referring to was only using wifi -- no internet data over cellular. I don't think there's any way to automatically connect to strange networks (and I imagine that'd be a legal liability in many countries).

BTW, when quoting a big post like that, you might try snipping down to what you're actually replying too.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Do you mean 'connect automatically'? I have that set to 'any connection', and I have to manually add new wifi networks that i haven't seen before. I also want to use my data plan as backup, so I don't want to set to wifi exclusively.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Yet you read the whole thing, and spent time commenting!

Back when I was a kid we had this technology called "newspapers." It was kind of like the internet, but it turned your hands black when you used it. Anyway, if there was a story you didn't want to read, you could skip over it and go to the next one. It's too bad that the internet doesn't have that feature.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

FYI - I replaced Intelliscreen with Lockinfo & Cydget. Way superior.

http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-news...available.html

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

I can't send skype SMSes with the n900. I can do it with the iPhone

Imjussayin'

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Didn't they just add that to the Skype 2.0 on the iPhone? I don't recall being able to do that earlier - but I've had Skype uninstalled until just a few days ago.

If so... who's not to say it won't come with the next update... on the MeeGo device?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

i can throw the n900 at someone's head and kill them

cant do that with an iphone

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Have to give you that one