Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 706813)

Their marketing relies on the fact that people are uneducated and just dumb.

I just refuse to accept that this is the "watch and learn" role model you want other companies to follow. I don't wantg to live in a world where all companies only cater this one market segment: uneducated people. I'd like to have some more variety. Let Apple cater Apple-followers, they want it that way. But don't wish for other companies to go for the same market segment. You'll wake up in a world full of iPhones.

Originally Posted by Andrew_b (Post 707035)

The thing that really twists my nips about Apple is all the free promotion they get on national TV. Here in the UK, we're constantly bombarded with 'news' about the latest products from Apple, or being shown a new 'App' on an iPhone like it's a revolution or something.

Originally Posted by Andrew_b (Post 707035)

I don't recall the BBC news channel doing a feature on any other mobile phone launched by any other manufacturer in the last five years.

Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 706662)

- Video calling: seriously? It's been around from 2004.

Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 706662)

- Folders for apps: oh nooo... it's been in Symbian, like, from the beginning...?

Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 706662)

- Multitasking: looks exactly as it was in S60 back in 2007. At that time, Apple said that multitasking is an unnecessary feature and it's too difficult to use...

Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 706662)

- 720p video recording: well that's from 2009.

Originally Posted by andygee (Post 707079)

I agree to a point but Nokia could end up as a niche maker of high end smartphones within the next few years. Unless it really mucks up it will always have a big share of the mid/low end in the forseeable future.

will Nokia find it worth the expense and effort to invest in R n D if their market of the high end snartphone decreases?

Will they continue with very high smartphones if the market is not there?

I work for a large Tech Support department for an IT Firm and I have the only Nokia Phone in the department apart from our low end work issued phones we have in case we have to visit customers that ban camera phones (actually the newly issued of these are not nokia anymore) while we have work issue Blackberries and people have a mixture of Iphones,android and Blackberry no one seems to be even considering nokia now.

These are all people who are Technically aware of whats good and not good, can master devices and software, use and have an awareness of linux way above the norm. Also many have money to burn on gadgets.

To many of these people went for Nokia in the past and due to the lack of updates and as they put it flawed devices wont touch with a barge pole.

Even though these people can see whats happening with Apple and control and lower spec devices they still say when i ask "Well I dont want a prototype phone in my pocket"

Not just the N900 but everyday Nokia Smartphones such as the N97..

Yes make your Niche products like the N900 but lets face it Nokia could do with some devices which were like what they were renowned for in the 90's and early noughties user friendly, realiable devices with features that people want.

Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 706981)

Want to be able to print directly from your phone? Buy an iphone

Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 707136)

A lot of times, Apple get an existing technology and improves on them to the point that anyone, even non-techies, can use that technology. That's their bread and butter and it works most of the time.

Imagine how many PMPs (portable music players) were in the market when the iPod came along.

Now let me tackle some of your points:


Ask a non-techie mobile user what app can do video calling most probably he/she won't be able to name you one. A slightly techie person might say Skype, Fring, etc. After Apple's announcement and demo, give it a few months and non-techies will be saying 'the new iPhone.'

Apple has integrated video calling so you can switch to a video call anytime when you are talking with someone, of course when you're both in wifi. That kind of integration I haven't seen from any mobile device.

What r u talking about....??? U don't need an app to do video calling on a phone......3G video calling has been out for at least 5 years now and u can do that normally!! It's actually rather PATHETIC that the iPhone 4 only implemented this now, it should've been there since years ago. In fact, the majority KNOWS about this, that's y they wanted a front facing camera so they can use video calling.........and any good smartphone can do this anyway, i have no idea wot ur trying to say.

Sure. But the point here is, Apple has found a super-easy way for end-users to buy apps, ands as an effect, now cluttering their phone's desktop and even filling it to the limit, based on the iPhone's max limit of desktops and apps.

So what does Apple do new? You drag an app icon on to another app, and it automatically creates a folder for the two apps. It saves the step of creating a folder first, and then moving apps to that folder. Although they've just made it simple and easy to do, well, that's the point.

Actually, ppl buy it so they can jailbreak it. Also, I already have the feature that you just said on my iPod Touch, anyone who knows about the benefits of jailbreaking will have all these new features at least a year ago.

Here is I'm sure a lot of folks don't know how Apple does multitasking differently. Apple introduces a non-visual object to handle multi-tasking (as a long time object-oriented developer, I know this a lot).

Again, this was already available to jailbroken iDevices. My point is, these features should've been available to the first iPhone or at least the 2nd generation Iphone. But they still suck coz it took them this long to implement something this simple. I love my iPod Touch though, i'm not saying it sucks. It's just that Apple's product by itself really sucks balls, and the only real upside is what you get from jailbreaking, i.e installing paid apps for free and tons of other stuff. That's the primary reason y most ppl buy iDevices.

Basically, if you need something to run in the background, why use a visual object when you don't need to display anything? What Apple proposes (they are proposing several options actually depending on need), is to kick in a non-visual code for the current application whenever you switch to another app, thereby making the original app still appear to be working at the background, and at the same time, efficiently saving resources. A bit techie but honestly, I like their implementation.


Yes, but what they introduce is something what will complement the 720p recording -- iMovie. Give it a few months and you'll see so many iPhone edited videos in YouTube that you will be sick with it. With that feature on a mobile device now, imagine how many bloggers can now cover events, upload and post a professional looking HD video on their blogs in a few minutes. Again, mass appeal.


Yes Apple's marketing is indeed great and Apple has a great salesman as their CEO, but if you look at it closely, they have are striving to create quality products that are targeted to the end-user (kids, parents, grandparents, executives) -- and that makes it easier for them to market their products.

I have always been a 'target the end-user' type of guy that's why I appreciate the innovation Apple brings. There are a lot of things companies can learn from Apple.

My 0.2 cents.

Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 706969)

The 'retina display' which is a marketing gimmick is rather misleading as it suggests new technology. However they are the first product with it so they can claim it like Everest.

Originally Posted by thecursedfly (Post 707178)

I'm curious to see if iphones' animations will be as smooth as before... I don't know what kind of CPU it has built in, but one of the claims for the N900 for not having as smooth animation was its higher resolution display...

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 708650)

@benson: in context of the 100ppi claim... They're talking about displaying the same (unrsized/scaled user interface) at the same resolution on a smaller screen... Which is not the case for this 'retina display'.