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rickysio 2010-06-09 15:20

Re: First MeeGo phone will be N9?
 
No hardware QWERTY? Offer me Swype, and I'd be appeased.

No hardware QWERTY and offer me the same virtual keyboard the N900 has? I'd be very incensed.

sevla 2010-06-09 15:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jnwi (Post 707335)
Some high end users may want no keyboard, some may want one. Some business users may want none, bb-style, or n97-style. Same for mid range.

I'm glad they offer so many options, and it seems like they're working to keep the internals as similar as possible.

I'm all for options. My list was very broad and general. Lets say in the first 2 phones you have one that has keyboard and one without. That's only an additional 2 to the list with a total of 7, which is still way less then 16.

But, options don't always mean more sales as proven by Apple. Nokia needs to slim down and focus on a few models.

That's just my opinion.

benny1967 2010-06-09 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 707325)
I don't know why Nokia needs 16 different models. It's harder to support and more difficult to manage internally. I think part of the reason the iPhone is so polished is because that is the only phone Apple works on. Not 16 different iterations of the almost the same thing.

having more models is one of the reasons why nokia has more customers, too. if you don't want a touch screen or need a hardware qwerty keyboard - what does apple have for you?

sevla 2010-06-09 15:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 707377)
having more models is one of the reasons why nokia has more customers, too. if you don't want a touch screen or need a hardware qwerty keyboard - what does apple have for you?

LIke i said.. I'm all for options and I suggested having keyboard vs non keyboard options.

But do we really need 7 different c class phones??

quipper8 2010-06-09 15:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 707389)
LIke i said.. I'm all for options and I suggested having keyboard vs non keyboard options.

But do we really need 7 different c class phones??

well, mercedes has about 10 different c-class models :)

Just kidding.

zehjotkah 2010-06-09 15:52

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Originally Posted by zfarooq (Post 707354)
N9 is confirmed to have a keyboard.

yes, but the question is if it's a software- or hardware-keyboard

wmarone 2010-06-09 15:56

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I wonder if Nokia will make the necessary drivers available such that buyers of the N9 will be able to use community builds of MeeGo that allow greater customization than their default.

Hopefully they won't go full ****** on us.

mrojas 2010-06-09 15:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 707389)
LIke i said.. I'm all for options and I suggested having keyboard vs non keyboard options.

But do we really need 7 different c class phones??

Not everyone wants the exact same phone of the next guy, and not everyone has the same paycheck. Even in the low end market (and maybe even more because it's low end); variety means a lot.

It's not it's too hard for Nokia to manufacture model with different color or form factor anyway, S40 is cheap, etc etc.

zfarooq 2010-06-09 15:57

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a hardware keyboard, the one without the keyboard has been delayed or scrapped.

I dont quite remember where I read it, will try to find it.

tissot 2010-06-09 16:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 707304)
Quite the opposite imo. The more the (MeeGo) devices, the more the adoption of MeeGo will be. And this will drive more developers to the platform and directly/indirectly lead to a vast (and perhaps quality) Application library.

The fact that Qt & Linux can be served in such a cross-platform solution will only multiply that.

For once I see that Apple is actually playing catch-up in its own field. I mean Apple started the smartphone revolution but HTC expanded it with the G1 and Nexus One. So the best chance for MeeGo is today and if it could serve killer hardware, great software integration, include tasty functions (from desktop os linage) and show promise by releasing a tablet (its the craze) with 1:1 App compatibility with the phone device.

These are all possible, perhaps even easy with the tools (Qt), that needs to be available now. As soon as Froyo arrives, iPhone 4 released and the Google tablet is released, things are going to look more obsolete for MeeGo.

More MeeGo phones the better no doubt, but we need to remember that there's Symbian Foundation that's taking the largest bite of the cake in sales. It could be that the MeeGo phones will actually drive the development more in Qt than Symbian thought.

Imo still MeeGo phones should be unique very high end coming from Nokia. Other manufacturers can of course build as many MeeGo phones as they want and it's all great for Nokia and Intel.

mrojas 2010-06-09 16:05

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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 707406)
yes, but the question is if it's a software- or hardware-keyboard

If there is any truth in the leaked info, I would say the "phone" version will have a keyboard and the "tablet" version won't.

So; speaking MeeGo, what we could be seeing is (form factor):

MeeGo Nokia phone, 4" screen (AKA N9) -> MeeGo "semi-tablet" Lankku (perharps with a bigger screen?) -> MeeGo tablet (like the Intel prototype shown in Computex) -> MeeGo netbook OS and devices.

I think that would be covering the whole device spectrum as MeeGo was supposed to be doing.

benny1967 2010-06-09 16:18

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Originally Posted by sevla (Post 707389)
But do we really need 7 different c class phones??

there's too few models at the moment. i don't find one for me. i'd need something like c5, but with wifi.

gerbick 2010-06-09 17:19

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I'm surprised that nobody seems happy that there's two MeeGo devices coming. Can't say the same for any other Maemo device other than Maemo 4/4.1.

Now... what I don't get is why didn't this come out from Nokia to the general population as opposed to getting leaked in a very obscure place/manner?

If you're going for viral, do it well Nokia. This is just more of the same... which sucked the last few times.

attila77 2010-06-09 17:58

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There were multiple Fremantle devices coming, too, much good that did to us. The N9 is a white whale (a MeeGo ’compatible’ Maemo) so whatever there is in the queue behind it, it is almost not the same OS so it will be kept under wraps until well after the N9 to avoid the MeeGo on N900 syndrome.

gerbick 2010-06-09 19:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 707564)
There were multiple Fremantle devices coming, too, much good that did to us. The N9 is a white whale (a MeeGo ’compatible’ Maemo) so whatever there is in the queue behind it, it is almost not the same OS so it will be kept under wraps until well after the N9 to avoid the MeeGo on N900 syndrome.

I can respect that. Just wanted to shed a good spin on this non-announcement/announcement.

benny1967 2010-06-09 19:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 707564)
There were multiple Fremantle devices coming, too, much good that did to us.


I had almost forgotten. You're right. The N900 is only the "Maemo 5 lead device", and there'll be more to follow. Hope I'll have enough money when they appear on the shelves next week. ;)

bandora 2010-06-09 19:57

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I don't care for swype.. because I don't think it works well in other languages.. like arabic.. And us arabic people if we want to use english letters and still say some arabic words, we use letters to to represent some arabic letters not found in english like 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 so it's really not useful for me.. :(

So I am all about QWERTY keyboards! I wouldn't want to keep on touching the display everytime I want to enter some text..

Kangal 2010-06-09 23:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zfarooq (Post 707416)
a hardware keyboard, the one without the keyboard has been delayed or scrapped.

I dont quite remember where I read it, will try to find it.


Do find that link please.

I think the best form factor any phone has is without a doubt the N97. So the N9 should adopt this form.

Why do I say so?
It makes (or could) full use of the top space for your touchscreen, webcam, proximity metres and "home" buttons.
Yet the bottom is dedicated to a physical buttons (keyboard) which is more spacious than your Blackberrys.
To top it off, the tilt screen is very robust (contrary to Kaiser/TP2) and as sturdy as a lone slider (eg HTC Dream) and allows many functions and versatilities,
for instance did you know your fingers can happily reach buttons beneath the tilt-support, making so many applications easier to use like emulators or listening to mp3 while your txting?

jim_0068 2010-06-10 00:42

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i'd guess the meego/tablet version will have a keyboard and more symbian phones won't. I have read numerous times that symbian will be for smartphones and meego/maemo will be for the mobile computers or tablets. Hard to produce a REAL mobile like computer (which i feel the n900 is the closest thing to one with a phone on it) without a real keyboard

YoDude 2010-06-10 01:47

Re: First MeeGo phones will be N9?
 
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Originally Posted by tissot (Post 707088)
This have been available in howardforums for much over a month.... now it seems somebody did throw it to Engadget. Oh well i got a say posting something like that to open forum and you can't blame anybody than yourself.

Lankku would indeed implie it being qwerty-less. I think he even mentions it on on og his posts.

Yes it was posted on HoFo awhile ago...

Can somebody link to the comment on EG please. The OP on HoFo has requested that the info be removed because of EG's and others coverage but I'm afraid you can not un-ring a bell.

I chose not to repeat this hearsay on this board because it is just that, hearsay. We have enough of that going on now anyway.

It seems that now a personal friendship of his in jeopardy. I can relate to the OP's dilemma because one of my childhood friends, in fact my best man at my childhood marriage is now a corporate level exec @ Motorola and for years I modded a Motorola specific forum on HoFo.

I chose not to repeat the things I heard at backyard barbeque's and kid's graduation parties for two reasons:

1. You would be surprised how many company projects are put on a shelf after what seems like an intense amount of energy and resources have already been spent on them. That's just the nature of R & D.

2. It gave me a unique perspective over the forum. You would also be surprised at how many of the self proclaimed forum experts were just taking semi-sophisticated, wild *** guesses. A good many of these "experts" were actually just run of the mill anus weasels. :D

...so do the guy a favor. If anyone is going to repost his info, remove his user name and simply say originally posted on HoFo or somesuch. If someone questions the validity of that statement (posted on HoFo that is) even though I removed it. I will vouch that it was posted with no names given.

Sadly though, you can't stuff shaving cream back into its aerosol can after it has been dispensed...

rickysio 2010-06-10 08:40

Re: First MeeGo phone will be N9?
 
Well he shouldn't have been such a loose mouth, and that he actually used his name. If he wanted to boast about his knowledge, and did not bother considering the idiocity of the masses (who will surely let the entire internet know the info promptly), then...

ALL he needed to do is to submit an anonymous tip to Engadget or some other tech site.


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