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sapporobaby 2007-04-06 00:26
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 43026)
It's a public forum!

Please complain about me replying to your public posts (mostly in a civil way, as I did with my first post to you tonight) and how you lose the plot everytime. Please, go right ahead.

Anyway, enough "discussion" with you tonight... you're not worth the effort when all is said and done.
But you keep coming back. You must be attention starved. What's wrong, bf break up with you?

It was you that started down this road, and for sure the mods can see that I ignored you and your pal but you wanted more, so okay. You got it. I will contact them.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 00:28
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 43015)
I did recently get this reply on a bug I reported >> https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1095





This was 7 days after the latest release indicating to me that a new release is coming. :)


What I thought was cool was that this bug had only 1 vote (mine). So it appears that they do have the consumers interest at heart.
Still, I'm guessing that new firmware releases are driven by commercial applications. Maemo is not as "open source" as I was led to believe... This is good in one way because commercial apps can hide proprietary code behind it I suppose and would be more inclined to develop.
Firmware upgrades might depend on the development schedules of companies like Skype or Navicore.

The last upgrade gave us Rhapsody.
Can it be broken out of the flash and run in the original firmware?
I think you can download it as a stand alone from the Tableteer page. Normally when I download via my N800, I save the files for a later install and I did this with Rhapsody.

Milhouse 2007-04-06 00:29
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby (Post 43025)
That's your argument. Pathetic. Make sure you let everyone know what software you develop so we can stay clear.

This has been public information and has been posted here in this forum by others.

Sad, sad, sad.

So, if you have nothing else. Please go be the Merchant you are and as a last request, do not address me again, or I will have to speak to the mod.
So did you sign an NDA or not? Your original post when you mentioned an NDA gave the impression you had in fact signed it - if this isn't the case, all you had to say was "No I did not sign an NDA" and that would be the end of the matter. Instead you went off the deep end - again.

Much of what you have posted here is already in the public domain and isn't news, but some of it isn't public domain. So don't think you can weasle out of an NDA that easily, if indeed you signed one.

The mod is ReggieS - please send him a complaint by PM, I'm sure he'll react appropriately.

G'night.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 00:33
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Also they said that this service is something that the N800 would be perfect for.

Forgot to post this earlier: www.foldera.com

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 00:38
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 43030)
So did you sign an NDA or not? Your original post when you mentioned an NDA gave the impression you had in fact signed it - if this isn't the case, all you had to say was "No I did not sign an NDA" and that would be the end of the matter. Instead you went off the deep end - again.

Much of what you have posted here is already in the public domain and isn't news, but some of it isn't public domain. So don't think you can weasle out of an NDA that easily, if indeed you signed one.

The mod is ReggieS - please send him a complaint by PM, I'm sure he'll react appropriately.

G'night.
You're the one that knows it all, so you tell us all here in this public forum.

No one else brought this up or made this an issue after the first question regarding an NDA. Only you because you thought it would be funny now everyone here sees how funny you really are. Well Mr. Comedian you answer all the questions from now on. I have been in this biz quite a bit longer than you for sure, and I know how it works. I would not jeopardize a relationship with over something as simple as an N800. You are really reaching. Grow up and by all means get a life. I am also sure you already flagged ReggieS and he should be along to close this thread thanks to you.

Texrat 2007-04-06 01:33
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Aw, come on Mil-- I thought you were seeing as many ignored posts as I am right now. :D

As for the NDA issue, I got a chuckle earlier seeing it mentioned after some beans were spilled. Gee, which takes precedence: a company's desire to keep certain details quiet, or an individual's overinflated ego? ;)

*pops more popcorn in anticipation of continued drama*

aleksandyr 2007-04-06 03:16
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
Avvenu and Orb more or less cover what I'd use Foldera for, but yes, I like what I see there too :)

SD69 2007-04-06 05:01
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 43039)
Aw, come on Mil-- I thought you were seeing as many ignored posts as I am right now. :D

*pops more popcorn in anticipation of continued drama*
I actually think it helps that Milhouse is willing to grill him.

At first sapporrobaby says Skype will be joining the application lineup "in the very near future." so I am thinking - yay, Skype in a month or so. Probably others did too.

And then in post #21 he admits Skype "should be here by summer" *yawn*

johsua 2007-04-06 05:05
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" think you can download it as a stand alone from the Tableteer page. Normally when I download via my N800, I save the files for a later install and I did this with Rhapsody."

did u do this w/ mnotify? i am looking for it...

Mika73 2007-04-06 08:56
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby (Post 43009)
Moi Mika,

Sorry dude. :)
Moi :)

Thats ok. Skype is a good thing, course I couldnīt get Internet Call invitation work, it just didnt. And I dont know any Google Talk users anyway :)

Its good that those OS updates dont come every week, I dont want to flash/install programs every week.

Oh boy, cant wait that Skype.. ;)

benny1967 2007-04-06 09:13
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
Referring to the title... I'm not sure if Skype is good news. It's just another piece of software that can't be fixed by the community, just like Flash and Opera today. What we'll get is a piece of software that cannot be improved/fixed/backported to OS2006, neither by Nokia nor by the community.

A Skype client doesn't make the N800 a better net citizen. The focus should have been on better SIP-support from the early 770-days on, instead.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 09:29
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 43039)
Aw, come on Mil-- I thought you were seeing as many ignored posts as I am right now. :D

As for the NDA issue, I got a chuckle earlier seeing it mentioned after some beans were spilled. Gee, which takes precedence: a company's desire to keep certain details quiet, or an individual's overinflated ego? ;)

*pops more popcorn in anticipation of continued drama*

As you also are part of the Milhouse all knowing Brigade, you are cordially invited to prove what I gave away as being under NDA. There you go Mr. "I get advanced copies". Post here in public what beans I spilled. You and your best friend are quick to talk and put up no facts to back up your claims. So with your connections to Nokia, find out with whom we spoke, where the meeting was, the time, and the agenda. Please post a copy of the NDA that I violated as well. You nor your best bud have zero point zero clue as to the client I was with nor my capacity there yet you are attempting to speak with authority about a subject you are clueless about. So this is your BIG CHANCE to prove me wrong and show where I leaked company secrets. Put it out there for all to see. I am sure they are just as interested as I am to see what you have to say. Between you and your friend, you have done your best to derail this thread. If you don't like what I am saying then ignore it considering you know more and know better. You can't even stick to your word and put me on Ignore like you mentioned. So bring it on chuckles.

I like my popcorn with butter.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 09:33
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 43049)
I actually think it helps that Milhouse is willing to grill him.

At first sapporrobaby says Skype will be joining the application lineup "in the very near future." so I am thinking - yay, Skype in a month or so. Probably others did too.

And then in post #21 he admits Skype "should be here by summer" *yawn*
I have no problems with someone, even Millhouse asking a question. As for grilling me, get serious. He's not a lawyer. I do know that Skype is closer to being released for the consumer market as was thought. This is not top secret info. Second, I gave no specific dates about the release of anything other than a few months, soon, shortly, in a bit, etc..... If I had said, month and day x, then you would have a gripe. So with that, what exactly do you want? What should I do so that you are happy?

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 09:38
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 43068)
Referring to the title... I'm not sure if Skype is good news. It's just another piece of software that can't be fixed by the community, just like Flash and Opera today. What we'll get is a piece of software that cannot be improved/fixed/backported to OS2006, neither by Nokia nor by the community.

A Skype client doesn't make the N800 a better net citizen. The focus should have been on better SIP-support from the early 770-days on, instead.
Ah, okay. I did not own a 770 so I would not know but I do tend to like using SIP-support rather than being locked into a proprietary protocol like Skype. You are 100% correct though.

rheve 2007-04-06 09:40
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 43068)
A Skype client doesn't make the N800 a better net citizen. The focus should have been on better SIP-support from the early 770-days on, instead.
Completely agree. Please please please give us an open / simple / standard SIP client and let us choose our SIP provider!
It is already a big mess in the instant messaging world (I hate to have to install 5 GAIM protocols to be able to reach my buddies) and it is starting to be exactly the same in the SIP world.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 09:44
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Originally Posted by rheve (Post 43074)
Completely agree. Please please please give us an open / simple / standard SIP client and let us choose our SIP provider!
It is already a big mess in the instant messaging world (I hate to have to install 5 GAIM protocols to be able to reach my buddies) and it is starting to be exactly the same in the SIP world.
Yup and I can say that GizmoProject does not work on my home network anymore but it will work on the 3G network or another network. If I use X-Lite, on the same computer with the same SIP credentials, it all works fine. The guys at Gizmo know there is a problem and are working on a fix. They won't say what it is but they know an issue exists.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 09:47
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by johsua (Post 43050)
" think you can download it as a stand alone from the Tableteer page. Normally when I download via my N800, I save the files for a later install and I did this with Rhapsody."

did u do this w/ mnotify? i am looking for it...
Nope dude. If I had it I would mail it to you. :) If I see an application I want via Application Manager, I select it. It downloads the file and asks me where I want to save it. I pick my external drive and save it there. Then I go to File Manager and install from there.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 09:53
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Mika73 (Post 43066)
Moi :)

Thats ok. Skype is a good thing, course I couldnīt get Internet Call invitation work, it just didnt. And I dont know any Google Talk users anyway :)

Its good that those OS updates dont come every week, I dont want to flash/install programs every week.

Oh boy, cant wait that Skype.. ;)
Terve,

Me either. I like being able to use my N800 while out and about in Helsinki, but Gizmo stopped working properly. Hopefully they will get that fixed soon as I used to use it almost daily.

Texrat 2007-04-06 14:22
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 43049)
I actually think it helps that Milhouse is willing to grill him.

At first sapporrobaby says Skype will be joining the application lineup "in the very near future." so I am thinking - yay, Skype in a month or so. Probably others did too.

And then in post #21 he admits Skype "should be here by summer" *yawn*
I confess to getting a kick out of the grilling (I only see Mr Baby's posts when they're quoted), but sooner or later even our antimicromanagement admin will step in and throw water on the whole thing. Been there, got soaked for that. :D

But, yeah, accurate PR, please. Or nebulous hints and vague promises from actual insiders. Either way. :p

Bernard 2007-04-06 14:51
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 43068)
Referring to the title... I'm not sure if Skype is good news. It's just another piece of software that can't be fixed by the community, just like Flash and Opera today. What we'll get is a piece of software that cannot be improved/fixed/backported to OS2006, neither by Nokia nor by the community.

A Skype client doesn't make the N800 a better net citizen. The focus should have been on better SIP-support from the early 770-days on, instead.
I don't agree. Skype IS the most used VoIP service on the planet, so it will be very useful on the Nokia IT.
I also think the Opera browser is the best piece of software for the N800 (and 770) It is very user friendly , very compatible and relatively stable when compared to the other programs (email client, RSS feeds, Media player, VoIP google talk client).
Because of the problems with those programs I don't use them as much as I would like to. Opera I use ALL the time, and use a web application for RSS en Email. (works much better)

If Skype for the N800 is of good quality (user friendly and stable ) I don't mind if it is closed source.

johsua 2007-04-06 15:01
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby (Post 43076)
Nope dude. If I had it I would mail it to you. :) If I see an application I want via Application Manager, I select it. It downloads the file and asks me where I want to save it. I pick my external drive and save it there. Then I go to File Manager and install from there.
I used to do that, and then I got lazy - Oh well. Thanks

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 15:04
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 43089)
I confess to getting a kick out of the grilling (I only see Mr Baby's posts when they're quoted), but sooner or later even our antimicromanagement admin will step in and throw water on the whole thing. Been there, got soaked for that. :D

But, yeah, accurate PR, please. Or nebulous hints and vague promises from actual insiders. Either way. :p
Well, Mr. Obfuscate, or is that Bloviate? I see you have nothing as your partner by way of facts. The challenge still stands for you and your boy to post what you know. You made the accusations now back them up. To date all you have done is dance and deflect when presented with a challenge. So put it out there what I have posted that were Nokia guarded secrets.

We are all waiting. I am guessing that ReggieS would also like to see your facts as well.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 15:07
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Here you go, of course you will not "see" this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sapporobaby (Post 43095)
Well, Mr. Obfuscate, or is that Bloviate? I see you have nothing as your partner by way of facts. The challenge still stands for you and your boy to post what you know. You made the accusations now back them up. To date all you have done is dance and deflect when presented with a challenge. So put it out there what I have posted that were Nokia guarded secrets.

We are all waiting. I am guessing that ReggieS would also like to see your facts as well.
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As you also are part of the Milhouse all knowing Brigade, you are cordially invited to prove what I gave away as being under NDA. There you go Mr. "I get advanced copies". Post here in public what beans I spilled. You and your best friend are quick to talk and put up no facts to back up your claims. So with your connections to Nokia, find out with whom we spoke, where the meeting was, the time, and the agenda. Please post a copy of the NDA that I violated as well. You nor your best bud have zero point zero clue as to the client I was with nor my capacity there yet you are attempting to speak with authority about a subject you are clueless about. So this is your BIG CHANCE to prove me wrong and show where I leaked company secrets. Put it out there for all to see. I am sure they are just as interested as I am to see what you have to say. Between you and your friend, you have done your best to derail this thread. If you don't like what I am saying then ignore it considering you know more and know better. You can't even stick to your word and put me on Ignore like you mentioned. So bring it on chuckles.

I like my popcorn with butter.
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So as to help you with your further attempts to bob and weave I have quoted my posts just for your edification.

So here you have it. You made the claim as well as your boy so back them up.

By the way, I was correct about your lame attempt. You can further place that weak apology where you head currently is. So until you post something to back up your claims, you can "off".

Cordially yours.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 15:16
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by johsua (Post 43094)
I used to do that, and then I got lazy - Oh well. Thanks
Sorry dude, but actually this was quite helpful considering that sometimes I do not know what I am looking for but when I have it on one of my cards.

Cheers

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 15:19
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Bernard (Post 43092)
I don't agree. Skype IS the most used VoIP service on the planet, so it will be very useful on the Nokia IT.
I also think the Opera browser is the best piece of software for the N800 (and 770) It is very user friendly , very compatible and relatively stable when compared to the other programs (email client, RSS feeds, Media player, VoIP google talk client).
Because of the problems with those programs I don't use them as much as I would like to. Opera I use ALL the time, and use a web application for RSS en Email. (works much better)

If Skype for the N800 is of good quality (user friendly and stable ) I don't mind if it is closed source.
Hey Bernard,

Is there anyway Skype would sort of open up its code to the OS community for some tweaking of the code? It is just a question on my part. It would probably be advantageous but they would lose all control over the client.

Nik1 2007-04-06 15:35
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Originally Posted by brendan (Post 43018)
@nik1

skype does support video calling/chat now, in its desktop app rendition. i would guess/hope that that functionality be included. we shall see, as it seems things are a-brewing
I have not used it myself, but I am pretty sure it does. Why else would you have to setup your webcam during installation.

Milhouse 2007-04-06 15:44
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Baby - just answer a straight question with a straight answer: Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement before you proceeded to disclose all this information on a public forum?

Your thrashing around and taking pops at everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with your view of the world is quite hilarious I might add. Have you contacted ReggieS yet - I'm dying to see how he responds given your offensive, abusive and homophobic rants. Bring it on! :)

Texrat 2007-04-06 15:51
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 43112)
Baby - just answer a straight question with a straight answer: Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement before you proceeded to disclose all this information on a public forum?

Your thrashing around and taking pops at everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with your view of the world is quite hilarious I might add. Have you contacted ReggieS yet - I'm dying to see how he responds given your offensive, abusive and homophobic rants. Bring it on! :)
Now, dammit, Mil, if you're gonna poke the bear at least include a quote so I can see the ranting responses. Yeah, yeah, I know what I said before but I get the feeling I'm missing some good fun. Maybe you could just include the meatier bits, ok?

Many thanks. I'll pop some more corn.

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 16:58
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 43112)
Baby - just answer a straight question with a straight answer: Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement before you proceeded to disclose all this information on a public forum?

Your thrashing around and taking pops at everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with your view of the world is quite hilarious I might add. Have you contacted ReggieS yet - I'm dying to see how he responds given your offensive, abusive and homophobic rants. Bring it on! :)
Mr. House-Merchant (I am quite sure you know what I am talking about),

You and your boy made overt statements and for the life of me I can not figure out why you can not back them up. Can it be that this is just your modus operandi?

Second, I don't jump just because say so. It seems that the only people I have a problem here with is you and your friend Trash-rat. Between the two of you, I have seen you argue and run off at least 4 new members of this forum from high in your lofty perch. Sorry but neither of you scare me, and I will be in this forum for as long as I or ReggieS chooses. As for contacting ReggieS, there is no doubt that you remained true to form and contacted him. This is just how you are. Outside of you, and Trash, this has been a pretty good forum about future expectations, but you and the Trash seem fit to do nothing but obfuscate, deflect and provide nothing of value.

So with that being said, you made the claims, so you back them up. I have nothing to prove here. Everything I said is public information, but in your attempt to try and poke fun, you left yourself open. So now I will close the door that you have opened. You made the claim, back it up with facts.

fpp 2007-04-06 17:33
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Just because the rest of us don't mingle in your childish bickering, doesn't mean we don't care, or have opinions.

Milhouse and Texrat are old-timers here, and they have been unfailingly courteous, knowledgeable and helpful to the community at large. I've just skimmed through your less-than-200 postings here, and there is not much actual content there, mostly questions, snide or disparaging remarks, and some bragging. And, of course, snapping back tirelessly at any criticism aimed your way (which you will undoubtedly do again for this post, however uselessly).

I'm not one to use killfiles or ignore-lists, but your empty rants have long since ceased to amuse me, if they ever did. YOU are the exception in these otherwise helpful and good-natured forums, not people like Tex and Mil.

If it ever comes to choosing between the like of you and the like of them, I won't even have to think for a split second.

(I won't say any more in this thread, whatever you do. It's just to let you know where you stand).

munky261 2007-04-06 17:41
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look at it this way guys , take satisfaction in the fact that you probably get laid while people like baby is sitting in mommys basement whith his N800 in one hand and his d**k in the other

sapporobaby 2007-04-06 17:55
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by fpp (Post 43134)
Just because the rest of us don't mingle in your childish bickering, doesn't mean we don't care, or have opinions.

Milhouse and Texrat are old-timers here, and they have been unfailingly courteous, knowledgeable and helpful to the community at large. I've just skimmed through your less-than-200 postings here, and there is not much actual content there, mostly questions, snide or disparaging remarks, and some bragging. And, of course, snapping back tirelessly at any criticism aimed your way (which you will undoubtedly do again for this post, however uselessly).

I'm not one to use killfiles or ignore-lists, but your empty rants have long since ceased to amuse me, if they ever did. YOU are the exception in these otherwise helpful and good-natured forums, not people like Tex and Mil.

If it ever comes to choosing between the like of you and the like of them, I won't even have to think for a split second.

(I won't say any more in this thread, whatever you do. It's just to let you know where you stand).
This is a post I can appreciate for its honesty. I like it being direct and to the point. No problems there. You are correct in that some of my posts are questions. Of course they are, as I am new to the N800 arena. I offer information as I get, which of course is growing as I use my N800. In your reading I am quite sure you have also noticed that I do not disparage, attack or make snide comments unless they are directed at me first. Being erudite, I am sure you noticed this right away.

When I started this thread, I did it to give a public/general insight to info that is not classified or company secrets. As you may have gleaned from your readings I work for the US govt so I am quite familiar with information disclosures, what can and can not be said. So once again, the info I put out is not top secret and has been discussed on this forum in several places. The problem occurred when Milhouse decided to jump in to the thread, not to add info or to be helpful but to purposefully derail it. Then enter Texrat with the same intention. I am sure you got this as well. For the most part others here have asked questions, answered questions and tried to move on. I did this as well when I asked Milhouse several times to just move on, put me back on Ignore and not address anything to me. You got this as well I am sure. So, I am quite sure that you have no problems in seeing that initially I tried to drive on but they came back and came back picking a fight in a thread that they had no interest in really participating. Anyway, thanks for you honestly.

Cheers.

THX1138 2007-04-07 02:22
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What I don't understand is how someone who was complaining a week and a half ago that he paid full retail price for a device that wasn't ready for "prime time" and that he was going to put it in drawer until there was apps compelling enough for him to use is now all of a sudden a bigshot having meetings with Nokia about said device and its development cycles. That doesn't make any sense.

sapporobaby 2007-04-07 08:24
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by THX1138 (Post 43203)
What I don't understand is how someone who was complaining a week and a half ago that he paid full retail price for a device that wasn't ready for "prime time" and that he was going to put it in drawer until there was apps compelling enough for him to use is now all of a sudden a bigshot having meetings with Nokia about said device and its development cycles. That doesn't make any sense.
What I do not understand is supposedly after you have read this thread and others how you still come away posting inaccurate info.

It is true I said, I would put it in the draw, it is true I said that it is not ready for "prime time". However, it is also true that after reading several posts from other members here, I reevaluated how I was using the N800 and I realized that I was asking for things it was not designed to do and once I readjusted my usage parameters it performs pretty much as designed and can provide an enjoyable user experience. Second, please post were I said I was a big shot. . My professional representation from my client to Nokia has nothing to do with how I feel personally about the product, and I can see many governmental applications for it. If you have read the thread other than resign yourself to your own reasoning, you would have seen why I was at Nokia. Third, at no time did I say I was involved with the development cycles of "said device"These are all figments of your imagination, however you are cordially invited to point a link to where I said this.

Of course you won't as this is not how things work in this forum. The only post of this nature I can respect in that by fpp. He was honest and at least provided a basis for his feelings even-though, they were somewhat incorrect but, he had made an attempt to come to some sort of reckoning. You on the other hand read something and then make completely inaccurate accusations and will at no time return to say "opppppssss" or "now I understand" as this is not how this forum operates in relationship to some individuals. This is not a blanket statement such as yours but is directed to those whom it applies.

dunsun 2007-04-07 08:51
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DryLand404 (Post 42959)
Additionally, I think there should be a big focus on getting Cell Network access working native to the device.
BT is nice if you can get it working properly on your phone but... now you have two devices to carry around. (and keep charged.)
BT seems to be a pretty big drag on the battery's as well.

I checked out some of the USB - CDMA and GPRS data access devices which appear might work if USB host mode can be made to work properly.
The USB devices I looked at are accessed as a Serial device once connectivity is available.
Certainly a powered hub or USB power injector might required to get the amperage high enough for usage.
I was looking at the N800 device itself, picturing a replacement back cover, as it appears there could be available space for a 2nd battery that could align with the existing battery contacts and a mount for a USB Cell Data modem.
The previous assumes that it might be possible to add a second battery in parallel to the existing.
I don't know that the charger could handle simultaneous charging however, (though the voltage would be the same.)
Even if the back plate only allowed for the additional battery, the data connectivity option could be dongled to a custom protector case. perhaps even Sype branded? Once skpe is reliable and you have Cell Network data access.. Who needs a Cell Company phone number?

I felt that the N800 got the value added I wanted when I was finally able to get consistent always on access tot he Internet for Communications. IM, Email, Gizmo, NewsFeeds, Video and Music on Demand. This is the market that is being pushed in the US by the phone providers with their phones that have terribly inadequate displays and input keys. And the customers are willing to pay extra for access to all this always available digitally connected environment. The one thing MOST are not willing to do is carry two bulky device's. The data device and one extra interface (such as BT earpiece) is about as much as most will carry, (at least until the RoboCop look comes into fashion.
In this respect the N800 is far ahead of the rest of the pack.. The only thing it's missing is the integrated always available connection.

For information I dug up on USB Cell Network access, see
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=5597
yapp ... but the most importante feature in here is a fully working USB HOST MODE!! and it is what i'm expecting the most from any near future new firmware.

Milhouse 2007-04-07 09:06
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby (Post 42933)
They do read the emails and sometimes this forum.
In which case it's an odds-on certainty they won't be inviting you back for follow up discussions any time soon so that you can blab their private conversations all over the internet. :)

Nokia couldn't have picked a worse candidate with whom to discuss their future plans if they had tried (assuming you aren't making this up of course, which is always a possibility as it does have a certain "whiff" about it).

Oh and just for the record - I haven't contacted ReggieS, why would I? Have you? If not, why not - hurry up for gawds sake.

dunsun 2007-04-07 09:09
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Bernard (Post 43092)
I don't agree. Skype IS the most used VoIP service on the planet, so it will be very useful on the Nokia IT.
I also think the Opera browser is the best piece of software for the N800 (and 770) It is very user friendly , very compatible and relatively stable when compared to the other programs (email client, RSS feeds, Media player, VoIP google talk client).
Because of the problems with those programs I don't use them as much as I would like to. Opera I use ALL the time, and use a web application for RSS en Email. (works much better)

If Skype for the N800 is of good quality (user friendly and stable ) I don't mind if it is closed source.
nope, i don't agree. yes opera is a good piece of software but i'm missing lotof user friendly features there. moreover it's closed source so nobody can improve or fix it. it'll be the very same for skype. (btw i don't like skype). nokia should rather concantrate on usb host mode enabling so that users could connect hundreds of usb devices to our little toys.

benny1967 2007-04-07 09:28
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Bernard (Post 43092)
I don't agree. Skype IS the most used VoIP service on the planet, so it will be very useful on the Nokia IT.
I also think the Opera browser is the best piece of software for the N800 (and 770) It is very user friendly , very compatible and relatively stable when compared to the other programs (email client, RSS feeds, Media player, VoIP google talk client).
Because of the problems with those programs I don't use them as much as I would like to. Opera I use ALL the time, and use a web application for RSS en Email. (works much better)

If Skype for the N800 is of good quality (user friendly and stable ) I don't mind if it is closed source.
I know this is an old one and we'll never see people agree on this, but:

If you are one of those "as long as it works I dont mind if it's closed source"-people, I honestly recommend you buy Windows-based products or look for what Apple has to offer. This is not meant to be impolite, it's a matter of fact: My experience is that the "just works"-factor is higher on these platforms than it ever will be on (semi-)open ones like Maemo.

The appeal of open platforms is that you do not depend on the good will or business plan of one single company when it comes to updates, bug fixes, backports etc.

You as a consumer decide what's more important; you should know, though, that you can't have both. (As seen with the abandonned 770 now.)

The problem with ITOS200x (770/N800) is that, the way it is now, it offers the worst of both worlds: It heavily depends on Nokia, there's now way to develop it without access to their closed source components. At the same time it's open enough so users experience all the problems that are common with open platforms.

There are 2 ways to go from here: Make it really open or continue as a totally closed source device that "just works". The second option might seem appealing to consumers at first, but don't forget there are quite a lot of devices out there that are just that way. You can go and buy one today. The charming idea about the 770 (when it was originally released) was the (false) idea of an open, thus future-proof device, and I still believe that this would be the right way to go. This is why I'm not so happy with Nokia's obvious plan of packing more and more proprietary components into the OS. Skype is part of this.

sapporobaby 2007-04-07 11:26
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 43230)
In which case it's an odds-on certainty they won't be inviting you back for follow up discussions any time soon so that you can blab their private conversations all over the internet. :)

Nokia couldn't have picked a worse candidate with whom to discuss their future plans if they had tried (assuming you aren't making this up of course, which is always a possibility as it does have a certain "whiff" about it).

Oh and just for the record - I haven't contacted ReggieS, why would I? Have you? If not, why not - hurry up for gawds sake.
You come back and come back and come back with nothing in hand. No facts, no info, just empty accusations. You are lucky though. You do have fpp as your a member of your team.

I invited you to post what you KNOW as a fact that was a "guarded" company secret and you bring jack. Just your big empty mouth. If you can prove something then prove it, if not then it is: check and mate.

So here it is again Mr. Attention Hog. You and a few of your minions have gone out of your way to best derail and destroy this thread, but luckily most are simply ignoring you. So for the sake of all here, either prove me wrong or move along. This has to be too good to pass up. Put me in my place and show everyone here in this forum that I have been making up "stuff". Surely this is not too hard a task for you. Someone of your superior intellect. Hell, use your minions to do your bidding and find out what was actually said. I am sure there are plenty here that are on your side and would like nothing more than to help put me in my place. Get cracking and get those posts in. All are watching and waiting for you now.

The ball is now in your court. By the way, prove all of your claims, starting with what is and is not secret. My name, with whom I met, time and place. What governmental rep was there (freebie from me to you), and the agenda that was discussed.

Anxiously awaiting your answers.

As for contacting ReggieS, sure you did. That's just how you operate.

sapporobaby 2007-04-07 11:33
Re: Happy days. Skype and a new F/W version coming soon.
 
@Benny1967 and Dunsun,

Would a compromise be a possible colaboration with Skype and maybe another 3rd party org like Gizmo? Considering much work has been done with the N800, this should offer Skype and Gizmo a first hand (hands on) group of developers that know the ends and outs of this device and the underlying OS.


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