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I agree that TV out would be a signficiant plus for the 2008 product. Nokia already did it on their N95, which I believe has an ARM chip very similar to that in the N800.

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To be honest, I'd rather see VGA/DVI out first. At the moment I have a windows box in work which I use solely for checking email against the exchange server with. I think it would be great if I could connect my n800 to my KVM and use it to get my email with a big screen and keyboard, then pick it up and walk off for mobile email. That would keep my dev. machine purely for development and my mail/contacts/whatever portable.

Maybe Nokia could even start selling LCD TVs/monitors off the back of the N800, for people who want the internet at a decent resolution but don't want/need a full PC.

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So would I (and Nokia). But the ARM has HW support for TV out, so unless a new graphics chip gets crammed in there for other reasons, TV out is the way to go. It's not a bad compromise for the sake of cost and product development, LCD HDTV/monitors are mainstream now.

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SSH (Dropbear) is already available for the iPhone/Touch - however it looks like a pain to setup and would most likely be broken with the next firmware update... hacking the iPhone/Touch will most likely be a constant game of cat & mouse, much as it is with Sony and the PSP. :(

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so instead, grab a 770 or N800, a bluetooth keyboard, a feature phone with bluetooth, and install dropbear.

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It is still at the rumourmill stage but if true and matches the artists impression then it could be a force to be reckoned with.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/26/i...ton-successor/

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Nah, people will still claim it's not a competitor because it's only got one hardware button. The N800's got 12 - it's not even in the same league!

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I didn't believe you until i actually went and counted, and...
well I'll be damned. There really are 12.

R.
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Just to put things into perspective...

The Newton was discontinued by Jobs in 1998.

Rumours about a "new Newton" have been surfacing since... 1998.

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.. and still it feels like my T3 has got more buttons.. but it's only got 7!

(but then again it's also got a 'reset hole' at the back, which my N800 never needs! Ha! ;))

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A 'new Newton' doesn't even make sense.
The only thing the touch/iphone lack, compared to a newton, is apps.
You don't need a different form factor for that - you need a change of philosophy. And that is one change I do not see coming down the pipeline.

If they were going to make a proper platform, they'd be better off with a subnotebook-sized multi-touch tablet running full OS X. At least that wouldn't cause as much confusion in their device topology. Lord knows they already have one head-scratcher in the form of the iPod touch. (I still have no idea who that thing is supposed to be for)

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Any iPhone (<spit!>) based Apple PDA will also lack a proper stylus-based touchscreen. The Newton's forte was stylus operation, it won't even register finger presses.

The Newton's "metaphore" is a paper notepad, its entire user interface is geared towards that. You can't simply replace the stylus with fingers and claim "New Newton" (imagining for the moment Jobs would be stupid enough to commit intellectual harakiri that way).

Weirdly enough, OS X apparently allready has everything in place to become the O/S of a tablet: Inkwell is the evolutionary offspring of the Newton's HWR and those who have used it on an (illegally installed) Intel tablet, claim it's very good.

If I even liked OS X, I might have done the same thing; I have a tablet and everything needed to install OS X on Wintel hardware. But who knows, one day some dude might warez/hack Inkwell to run on Linux. I will not hesitate one picosecond to violate Apple's intellectual property rights to get such a doozy on a Linux tablet... :rolleyes: