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Milhouse 2010-07-16 18:00

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 754125)
They might slowly replace the devices as they get serviced? A recall would be expensive, more expensive than giving away free bumpers.

If devices appear in the channel with a new design that's just going to reignite this sh1tstorm.

I still can't believe people are swallowing the now official line from Apple which is that a bumper fixes the problem that doesn't really exist! The company is completely in denial but given the options they've given people they're no longer liable - you don't like, get your money back.

Hand + Phone - Bumper = no signal
Hand + Phone + Bumper = good signal

It really shouldn't take 22 days and 18 PhD engineers to work out what the problem is - needless to say it isn't the hand! :)

Milhouse 2010-07-16 18:02

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
From the Q&A:

Quote:

John Gruber: Do any of you use the cases? I don't.
Steve: Well I don't. And I get better reception, I hold it like this [death grip] and never see problems.
So even Jobs holds it's wrong... :rolleyes:

Laughing Man 2010-07-16 18:07

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 754131)
If devices appear in the channel with a new design that's just going to reignite this sh1tstorm.

I still can't believe people are swallowing the now official line from Apple which is that a bumper fixes the problem that doesn't really exist! The company is completely in denial but given the options they've given people they're no longer liable - you don't like, get your money back.

Hand + Phone - Bumper = no signal
Hand + Phone + Bumper = good signal

It really shouldn't take 22 days and 18 PhD engineers to work out what the problem is - needless to say it isn't the hand! :)

I think the Bumper puts space between the hand and a device. Thus reducing the amount of inteference a hand might cause. So it works as a solution, albeit not a perfect one (especially after Apple marketed their brilliant new design for an external antenna)

Texrat 2010-07-16 18:10

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 754116)
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

The first couple lies someone tells you is harmful, sure. Once you know you're dealing with a liar you can act accordingly and take what they say with a grain of salt (an intelligent person anyway..)

Silence on the other hand breeds lies and assumptions from unknown sources. They grow and people look and search for reasons to "prove" their on hypothesis.

Further silence, and no official wording negating those lies is seen as a confirmation of those speculations.

Silence itself is a form of action. So it is still in the hands of the corporation to allow falsehoods to flourish. That is equal to having started the falsehood itself.

(I know we're agreeing to disagree here.. I just like debating with you Tex :p)

You know very well that quote doesn't fit the context. :p

sachin007 2010-07-16 18:20

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 753139)
Even though I'll get slammed for saying this... at least the company is actually talking to its customers.

There's something wrong, they may/may not address it; but they're at least talking. Most other companies would make you wait months before issuing a rather cold, impersonal, non-admission that sounds closer to "That's how it is..." and then they'll clam back up.

It won't fix anything, it won't make things better, it'll just give ammo to those that dislike Apple... and to those that like Apple, it'll give them more false hope.

But at least they're communicating with their customers.

They are communicating lies!!

ysss 2010-07-16 18:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 754152)
They are communicating lies!!

Calm down! You can't be hypnotized if you're too emotional..!!

Texrat 2010-07-16 18:23

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 754154)
Calm down! You can't be hypnotized if you're too emotional..!!

ROFL! funniest line of the day so far.

Laughing Man 2010-07-16 18:55

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I don't think I have a signature long enough for all these priceless quotes. =P

fatalsaint 2010-07-16 19:45

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 754140)
You know very well that quote doesn't fit the context. :p

You're right.......



Calling nokia "good" is ludicrous! :p

ysss 2010-07-16 19:51

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
lol, you're all jokers...

btw... "Oh, wow. :eek:"

http://www.apple.com/antenna/

Quote:

http://images.apple.com/antenna/imag...n-20100715.jpg

The external antenna on iPhone 4 is located in the stainless steel
band. The attenuation weak spot is the black strip in the lower left
corner of the band


casper27 2010-07-16 19:56

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Take a look at this
http://www.apple.com/iphone/softwareupdate/
Basically an Apple update to display signal strength in a more favorable way. If you read between the lines it says the signal strength stays the same but more bars are displayed. What a cop out...

ysss 2010-07-16 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by casper27 (Post 754236)
Take a look at this
http://www.apple.com/iphone/softwareupdate/
Basically an Apple update to display signal strength in a more favorable way. If you read between the lines it says the signal strength stays the same but more bars are displayed. What a cop out...

Take a look at this:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/i...-41-signal-fix

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...ignal_both.jpg

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...barmapping.jpg

Quote:

While the software update obviously does not and cannot address the design of the antenna itself - or make the drop from holding the phone any less - it does change the way the issue is perceived among users. The result is that most iPhone users will see fewer bars disappear when they hold the iPhone 4 in a bare hand. The side effect is that the iPhone now displays fewer bars in most places, and users that haven’t been reporting signal in dBm will time see the - perhaps a bit shocking - reality of locations previously denoted as having excellent signal.
You know what... in the end, I think Apple will get credit for all this because they've "made a more honest representation of the cellular signal reception bars" compared to other cellphones...

You can start berating them now...

Texrat 2010-07-16 20:28

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The new mapping looks false. As I understand it the strength changes logarithmically; the new mapping is more linear.

ysss 2010-07-16 20:34

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In that case... I guess we'll soon see an onslaught of attack from other cellphone manuf... especially those featured in Apple's antenna page.

Then they'll realize that in the end... any publicity is good publicity..

Mara 2010-07-16 21:46

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I have to say that Anadtech analysis that ysss linked I agree 100%.

It easily explains why not all users "see" the issue: If you already have good signal strenght to start up, dropping 20dB from there doesn't matter. Only if/when you are already marginal, then the 20dB drop or so will make HUGE difference.

With the new OS update many users will only be seeing 4 bars instead of 5. Let's see if they now come back and complain that their reception has degraded... while nothing is different other than the scale how the bars are shown...

ysss 2010-07-17 07:44

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Here we go...

Quote:

The co-CEO's of Research in Motion, those behind Blackberry, issued an official statement in response to Apple's latest attempts at covering up the iPhone's antenna issues. The statement ranges from anger about Apple using the Blackberry and its antennas in order to make the iPhone 4's not look as bad, to RIM bashing Apple by stating their smartphones don't require a case for full usability.*

"Apple's attempt to draw RIM into Apple's self-made debacle is unacceptable. Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation. RIM is a global leader in antenna design and has been successfully designing industry-leading wireless data products with efficient and effective radio performance for over 20 years. During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which reduce the risk for dropped calls, especially in areas of lower coverage. One thing is for certain, RIM's customers don't need to use a case for their BlackBerry smartphone to maintain proper connectivity. Apple clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw RIM and others into a situation that relates specifically to Apple."*- Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie
http://crackberry.com/rim-official-s...nna-propaganda

imperiallight 2010-07-17 11:47

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 753297)
I will take zero communication over spin, lies, etc. Every time.

Really?? How about zero communication and spin, lies, etc from Nokia over the n900?

Texrat 2010-07-17 16:52

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 754848)
Really?? How about zero communication and spin, lies, etc from Nokia over the n900?

That wasn't one of the Sophie's Choice conditions I described, was it?

Besides, how can a company do BOTH?

windows7 2010-07-17 21:21

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
papa jobs has it all under control :)

gerbick 2010-07-17 22:33

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 755116)
Besides, how can a company do BOTH?

Erm... for each positive statement, a negative statement comes out... thus equaling zero?

I tried.

Texrat 2010-07-18 07:16

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
I tried to resist writing this, but...

http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...rs-new-bumper/

imperiallight 2010-07-18 09:12

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Spin, Lies. Promises before the product is sold

And Zero communication when things go bad

daperl 2010-07-18 16:32

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 755518)
I tried to resist writing this, but...

http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...rs-new-bumper/

Thanks, I enjoyed the entry. But did you just make up a word? Shouldn't effectivity have been effectiveness?

Texrat 2010-07-18 20:59

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 755901)
Thanks, I enjoyed the entry. But did you just make up a word? Shouldn't effectivity have been effectiveness?

Nope, and nope: http://www.google.com/search?q=effec...rlz=1I7GFRC_en

DarkPand0r 2010-07-19 01:03

Re: iPhone Press Conference, iOS4.1?
 
Already Posted: Retracted


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