Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Well, I see broken Input Method in N900. You can't switch layout in desktop. Or in Contacts. This is bug introduced in Pr1.2 and registered in bugzilla. No Nokia respond on this.
Main use case is broken, and this clearly shows the following: Nokia don't use QA for N900 software.
I am the software developer, I know how test plans are made and how test cases are passed.
Ability to switch layout -- MAIN use case. Conculsion -- Nokia don't care about N900 users.
I bet there are only 2-3 contract developers and not QA working on PR1.3 now.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Im just sick n tired of ppl coming onto forums and crib.. crib all the time..

If everyone is so smart and understanding, then go do sth useful abt it instead of cribbing
pardon my language

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Is there way to fix closed source? Show me.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Whoa.. what language IS that? I'm having a a difficult time understanding you.

And this is why I'm sitting on my N800, waiting impatiently for the next worthwhile thing. :P ...and it's not the N900.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

For me, it's like this:

I'm happy with my n900 - it is exactly the device I was looking for. It's a computer first then phone.

Maemo is "proper" linux - android is linux "kernel" & clone of java vm. Google does not think technology is cool unless it modifes stuff itself. Google even wrote their own incompatible "glib" libraries (why??)!

PR1.2 maemo has matured to a usable platform and ripe for a stability drive (never going to happen).

Frustratingly, the focus is now on MeeGo - maemo has entered "maintenance" cycle. Meego is incomplete.

Nokia appear arrogant and not interested in communicating with it's users. Everything I have learned about about maemo, meego and Nokia has been through community members of this forum.

Nokia are falling further behind in the high-end smartphone market.

Nokia need a management team that understands the modern market. The aristocratic board of directors plainly do not.

If android & iPhone are the only real alternatives then I will be endlessly disappointed with my future smartphone.

Nokia still have a lions' share of the mobile phone market (e.g. everything symbian) and are doing just fine.

Nokia have done some great work with QT and given us a choice of SDKs.

Nokia make great hardware.

Nokia is european.

Nokia are better off outsourcing thier OVI store to somebody else. Nokia clearly can't get it right.

I hope Nokia get it right with meego - if they make the same mistakes then they will have no chance competing in the smartphone market and become a standard mobile phone manufacturer. (I really hope this does not happen)

I like cake.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Actually it is not "era", it is just communicator series that was doomed to be lame child, and n900 is clearly following it.

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Seriously, please just ignore PradaBrada, don't feed him...

He already admitted that he is only here "for the lulz"...

It is funny that you try to feed him and convince him, but he doesn't care about anybody else's opinion, so why do you care about his?

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Well I must say it was interesting reading all the comments.

I love my N900 and would not change it for any phone. I previously owned the HTC Desire which was good but no where near a versitile as the N900. The build quality of the N900 is superior to that of any other handset on the market.

The OS is very well intergrated, it can multi-boot with several different OS's has a hugh memory.

You can also develope your own applications. I found that alot of the alternative systems were very closed and you could only use what was in their respective stores.

But then I enjoy playing with gadget anyway so for me this is ideal

:):):)

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We all agree Nokia has made mistakes, and I also doubt that it will compete to it's best competitors in let's say the next year. But if we were all this disappointed, why are we still running maemo? Many kudos to this community, for it had brought us that wich Nokia could'nt provide.

There are hints pointing out that there are folks working on another update for maemo, and IMO this is already pretty stable as OS and UI.

Not get officially supported? I tend to neglect the word "officially" on an open source project like this very one. We got virtally all things that 'seemed to be missing' through this community. And with meego not going to be officially supported, we will see it running on our linix tablet phones one way or another. With the attention MeeGo will be getting, I think its going to develop faster than Maemo.

There's still plenty of room to love on these forums, and I cannot be called a fanboy untill I like Nokia's support, Nokia's marketing, the majority of Nokia's devices, or the consumer care we get. Lets put our hopes and kudos at the fabulous programmers here who got done what had been said could't been done.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

I like pie.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

and I like beautiful women. :P

look, it's simple. i really don't care if Nokia is supporting the N900/Maemo or if the community is. as long as there's some support, i'm happy. short of writing code myself (there's only a limited amount of stuff i can write in my limited life span), i'd be happy to re-use other people's work.

the n900 is the best phone i have used and i have been a smart phone user for as long as i can remember (the only non smartphones i used were an Ericsson T10 and T28). i even had my hands on the early PPC devices (back when HandHeld PC was still a name people mentioned) which were only PDAs with no phone functions.

i love the n900 for what it is and i wouldn't trade it for anything else in the market. so there you have it. the n900 works for some segments of the market and doesn't for others.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

I prefer pi. They last longer.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

one or maybe 2 months after the 5530
i had the mobile since jan 2008
sold it off and bought n900
and no.. it cant even run ebuddy and the browser at the same time

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

i wasnt pointing my comment to you but just to answer your question,

no there is none.. but then what alternatives do we have.. as far as apps are concerned. we can help support the developers here at the community , donate or whatever we can do to help. this community is already pretty helpful.. we can keep making it more like a place where you can find answers to all your questions so you dont't feel like a left out by nokia

.. if nokia isnt going to support.. i wouldnt really care cos at a corporate level.. there's nothing we(most of us) can do..It has to b done from the inside

and well i wouldnt go for any other phone in any case..im just a beginner in linux and I try to get help from other memebers here and I do get it.. I try to help others and answer the things that I can based on my understanding so far.. so why would I b bothered to call nokia.
I agree its not the right way how nokia does things, but I think they're just too old to understand the point. :P

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

As soon as community can fix Desktop or write new Contacts application -- that's good for N900 and community.
But there are couple of core applications which broken and closed. Phone application is one of them.
All we can do here -- KICKS AND SCREAMS in hope Nokia will somehow response.

Although personally I lost all hope in Nokia as company.
Nokia has no balls.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Hildon Desktop, Hildon Status Menu and Hildon Home are open. But you're correct on the rest.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

I'm all for open sourcing all the components but I think some people here think everything will magically be fixed if it was.

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Indeed, but with Nokia WONTFIXing many requests, the closed component in question is never going to see a fix either way.

Anyway, I've had this conversation to death and the end result is the same: The N900 remains a closed device. Yawn. Nothing new here; move on.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

maemo is far more open than android, you can't multiboot on android except for G1 can ya? Then there's the issues with trying to get super user access, since when was android easy on obtaining super user access?

I'll agree that n900 has been a bit of a fail for nokia but at the very end its a more proper linux tablet/phone compared to android and for now I can enjoy tinkering to my heart's content and using power tools available on proper linux unlike what android has to offer.. no rfmon HAH!

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Well back to the topic, I also think it is a load of crap and they don't care really. They are just deflecting issues to some other department as this is the working culture of Nokia as of late. What can the N900 team possibly do about the Ovi problem? If you think about it for a second, you can see that it is a group not acknowledging a issue, and before you can even think they pass it on to someone else leaving you in limbo. A day in the DMV or a bureaucratic office.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Most optimistic-but-not-realizing-how-much-Nokia-truly-****ed-us-up award goes to....



Ya. The irony and fact is, everyone's complaining about this or that on the N900. The fact is, Maemo 5 will most likely be FULLY abandoned once Meego comes out. Nokia has dropped the majority of support for it, and it's out for like what......almost a year or so now?? The OVI Store is a piss to look at, there's nothing on there. The Application Manager contains tons of stuff, but most of them are still in development and without enabling the Extra-Testing or Extra-Devel repos, u'd get an even smaller list.

Truth of the matter is, there aren't anything going on majorly for the N900, its growth isn't as good as what Android or Iphone is doing, and truth is, it's expensive and most ppl REALLY are complaining about it.


And that's pretty much what 90% of this whole forum consists of. Also, the lower builds and older phones prove this as well, losing the support because Nokia concentrates on newer builds. Maemo has NEVER been completed in the first place, all this is a test run for them until their final product is released, and let's hope Meego IS the final product and actually worth their development.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

nokia 770 was abandoned too, what about OS2008HE ? N900 has at least some chances to get decent version of meego running. (and M5 works pretty well at least with my use cases so doesn't matter if it is abandoned or not...)

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

ya but the point is, is this really justified for what we paid for?? Initially when i bought my very first N900, i had hope for its future growth and development, that it has the potential to do well. I "invested" $900 NZD to buy it, and later on realized how much of a fool i am so sold it.

Then after 2 months, i bought it for $600 (that's how much the price dropped so quickly), and now i'm at least feeling a bit happy with the price i paid for. Many people must have felt the same, it's not about whether the community or its users will do the rest of the work for them, it's about continuing support like they promised initially.

It's ironic to see how such an open source project/phone can lose this much to the iPhone, which is way more tightly closed and secured than you can ever imagine, and thus the jailbreaking.

I still love the N900, that's y i got it. But rly, i just wanna be honest and hope u guys can face the truth someday, i own an iPhone and Android and can tell you that they're so much funner to use with their apps and plenty of support. I fear that the Maemo community will die soon now that ppl are started to leave one after another. I'm only keeping the N900 coz i love the keyboard (i only use phones with keyboards) and that it's just rly awesome overall, but if i were to play games or use my everyday apps on it, i do it on my iPhone.

Hell, even an iPod Touch is good enough to run every app/game there is possible, i really ever use my N900 for texting and MSN, that's about it.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

you paid $900 NZD for "step 4/5" -device.

that is not maemo.orgs fault, please go to forum nokia to vent...

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Are we playing puzzle games?? Maemo is Nokia, Nokia is Maemo, it's the same thing. Both hardware & software have to be good to make this device overall good. I'm not buying computer parts, i'm buying the phone as a whole. That means, i bought it coz of Maemo, coz of its open source and potential. The price i paid for is good enough for its hardware, and that's why i bought it the 2nd time after selling my first N900, because i just love the phone's sexy look and only go for phones with a hardware keyboard. Right now, i am fully happy with the phone's hardware itself, the hardware keyboard is good and everything else is awesome.

It's the software part, i.e Maemo and the support for it that i'm not happy about.

Is that so confusing now?




I'm still amazed at how some users can keep their cool and not realize that the support is really lacking and poor. This phone is quite expensive here in NZ, but it's not like it's super cheap anywhere else either, it's still rather expensive. Let's be honest, can you guys name at least 30 apps/games or whatever that's fully developed and the final product released on the OVI Store, or on App Manager??

Aside from the overclocking i've done to it, there's nothing really out there that makes me go "WOW" anymore for this. There used to be stuff like running OSX on it, running Android in dual boot etc. But those were just testing and have been long abandoned.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

I agree with Prada. It took nokia and ovi 6 months to get the freaking n900 even being recognised by the ovi suite. What the hell have you people been smoking not seeing this?

Announced updates that take 2 months longer to be released and still crappy.

And now nokia want to shut us up by saying that MeeGo can run on the n900. Wow nice! if you are a kid who's 12 years old or younger! its the most childish OS i have ever seen!

People need to stand up against nokia and hit them on the head very hard. Maybe they will get their sence back and start working again.

Nokia is allready going down the drain as we speak. and all this is their own fault. The last few years they are 5 steps behind on the competition. I really hoped with the come of the n900 it would be finnaly over. but fact is after 8 months we still can sync with ovi, and the store is still emty.

Nokia = fail

My next phone wont be a nokia anymore. they dont give $hlt about their customers. Im really glad that you guys are here! With the community we atleast get things done!

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

QTF.

This is exactly what most ppl are complaining about, the pure lack of support. Some people still try to defend Nokia, but really it's those type of ppl that's giving Nokia the reason to "OH MEH, WATEVER, SOME OF U GUYS R HAPPY SO THAT'S GUD ENUF FOR US SO STFU AND HERE'S A COMIC FOR U GUYS TO READ".


Fact is fact, really, how much change has there been in the past year or so?? And i'm talking about substantial major changes compared to the changes that other mobile platforms have made. The firmware update is also slow and crappy too, it's rather pathetic how some of u guys can still manage to keep faith in this. I'm just being unbiased here since i own all platforms, UIQ3, Android, Maemo, Symbian, Iphone, Windows Mobile. I've used them all and Maemo is really lacking the improvement and development it deserved. FFS, it's god damn open source, where's the openness in that??

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

You misunderstood his point. This is maemo.org, the community. Nokia pays for the upkeep, but this really isn't meant as an end-user support site.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

yes.....but at the same time i'm responding to this topic itself. What, we can't have discussions like this??

It's not like if i really went over to Nokia's forum and post all this crap, that i'll get them to listen.

If that were the case, it would've happened at least 6 months ago.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

only problem is that you aren't discussing but blindly ranting.... yes it almost gets under the title, close but no cigar.

Re: Nokia (Ovi team) started to listen????
 

Did I say that, or are you building a straw man?