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quipper8 2010-08-04 21:00

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Originally Posted by maluka (Post 775914)
I know that Nokia is a bit different but their executives all look the same in their pictures. Kind of like Finnish estate agent pictures. They need a better photographer and a wardrobe stylist for their promo pics. These little touches add a lot.

On the questions, I think you guys have it covered so far.

to non-finns, I think most finns appear quite similar in appearance...very narrow gene pool there or something.

No offense to the finns on here, I like finns :)

fatalsaint 2010-08-04 21:01

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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 775847)
How can you not have Twitter?

<OT>
I don't either. I simply find it to the be the most ridiculous thing... especially since I have facebook.

Why the hell would I want to maintain a status on multiple sites? Meh. I am baffled at how popular twitter is, actually.</OT>

quipper8 2010-08-04 21:05

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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 775919)
<OT>
I don't either. I simply find it to the be the most ridiculous thing... especially since I have facebook.

Why the hell would I want to maintain a status on multiple sites? Meh. I am baffled at how popular twitter is, actually.</OT>

I don't like to update my status on it either, but I do find it vauable to have an account to have saved twitter searches. With as many people using it, doing searches for #meego or whatever else you are interested in is a good way to aggregate interesting ontent that has a wider horizontal reach than, say, RSS.

Texrat 2010-08-04 21:07

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Q1: "Why doesn't Nokia talk to us more?"

Q2: "Hey forget that first question-- wtf, are you people all on crack???? Your phones don't work, your UIs are crap, you don't do anything right... Apple will eat you alive!!!!11111!!!1"

A: ...

inidrog 2010-08-04 21:15

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The sad part is that this dude wont even see the questions that the pr crew don't find useful for him to answer in the "video". This aint no coincident, they have they agenda and plan. We as N900 users not included. New sales, new partners and teasers for the mobiletabloids.cox .

geneven 2010-08-04 21:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 775919)
<OT>
I don't either. I simply find it to the be the most ridiculous thing... especially since I have facebook.

Why the hell would I want to maintain a status on multiple sites? Meh. I am baffled at how popular twitter is, actually.</OT>

Thanks for the reply! It was a serious question, appearances aside.

I feel the same about Facebook.

Still, when a quake hits (I'm in California), Twitter beats heck out of the news media. And Iran news was also very valuable.

These days, Twitter is mostly advertising. But it's like the LA river, which is practically dry now. When the rains are pouring, it becomes turbulent and dangerous and just unrecognizable from other times. Twitter is like that, too, except not dangerous.

It's just that this guy was saying that such-and-such an event was happening, and he sounded interested. He said he didn't have Twitter like I'd say I don't have an iPad. But he could get Twitter in less than a minute, check out the event, and delete his account later. I couldn't do that with an iPad -- I'd have to buy one first.

So it was good to get an explanation of your point of view.

maluka 2010-08-04 21:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 775918)
to non-finns, I think most finns appear quite similar in appearance...very narrow gene pool there or something.

No offense to the finns on here, I like finns :)

I actually spend most of my time in Finland and I'm married to a Finn so I know what I'm talking about when I say his picture looks like a real estate agent's picture :D

I doubt that any of our questions would get answered considering the millions of Nokia users on twitter.

I would want Nokia to release an official statement stating which devices would be getting Qt support because there hasn't been enough clarity around it. Many owners of older Symbian devices are asking it on forums. Clarity would give them teh confidence that what they are buying has a future else they could go with a different device.

pantera1989 2010-08-04 21:44

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Originally Posted by maluka (Post 775957)
I actually spend most of my time in Finland and I'm married to a Finn so I know what I'm talking about when I say his picture looks like a real estate agent's picture :D

I doubt that any of our questions would get answered considering the millions of Nokia users on twitter.

I would want Nokia to release an official statement stating which devices would be getting Qt support because there hasn't been enough clarity around it. Many owners of older Symbian devices are asking it on forums. Clarity would give them teh confidence that what they are buying has a future else they could go with a different device.

If you live in Finland, why don't you barge in Nokia's HQ and demand answers?

gerbick 2010-08-04 22:00

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I find it rather laughable that people actually expect answers that will satisfy their curiosity.

ahmadamaj 2010-08-04 22:20

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Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 775850)
I have some questions:

1. Will the N900 get support to make coffee?
2. Will the next update to Ovi Maps bring support to instant teleportation?
3. Will the N900 be able to turn water into wine?
4. Will the next update bring a cure for cancer?
5. Will the camera be able to take xrays?
6. Will PR1.3 include support for emulation of PS3 and Xbox 360 games?
7. Will the N900 enable me to fly?
8. Will the N900 be waterproof?
9. Will the N900 be upgraded to a quad core?
10. Will the N900 battery be able to replace my car battery?
11. Will the N900 be able to transform in a car/plane?
12. Will the N900 be able to shoot missiles?

it all has to be for free

shadowjk 2010-08-04 23:13

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Originally Posted by James_Littler (Post 775623)
USB OTG?

Not physically possible.


Quote:

terms of flash support.
Basicly it DOES NOT do what it says on the tin.
I think it said Flash 9.4 on the box.

scribbles 2010-08-04 23:23

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Originally Posted by inidrog (Post 775839)
lol at anyone expecting any answer, that's slightly interesting regarding the N900, out of that guy.


And then we die.

Well, being that MeeGo IS in the forefront of what Nokia is doing right now, compatibility with the N900 and how it relates to what was supposed to be Maemo 6 has to be a talking point and be addressed. Yes, I realize he is new but he's in the PR dept. If he doesn't know, he's for sure getting briefed on it. This "Twitterview" is coming out of nowhere so I DO expect cooperation from him. We didn't ask to speak to him... I hope he did his homework and not try to B*!!s#!t us.

gerbick 2010-08-04 23:25

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Originally Posted by shadowjk (Post 776030)
Not physically possible.

Nokia N8 supports USB OTG, and it has the same kind of port, microUSB. And they do make microUSB male to USB female converters.

So... care to explain in a bit more detail how this is not possible?

wmarone 2010-08-05 02:06

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 776036)
Nokia N8 supports USB OTG, and it has the same kind of port, microUSB. And they do make microUSB male to USB female converters.

So... care to explain in a bit more detail how this is not possible?

Circuitry. The logic chips on the board are not wired up to support it. It has nothing to do with the port, and everything to do with the design of the N900's board.

gerbick 2010-08-05 02:13

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I just found the word "physically" real odd in that sentence.

ossipena 2010-08-05 03:51

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Originally Posted by leviathan18 (Post 775820)
OVI MAPS, for gods sake how a 550$ phone doesnt have decent voice navigation specially when NOKIA is the owner of NAVTEQ

I'd check my sources if I were you....

quipper8 2010-08-05 04:02

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 776097)
I just found the word "physically" real odd in that sentence.

it makes sense in that it is a hardware differentiation and not something correctable by software.

i am sure there is a good car analogy for this situation, just cant think of it right now :)

gerbick 2010-08-05 04:25

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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 776126)
I'd check my sources if I were you....

Are you challenging that Nokia does not own Navteq?

They have, for a while it seems.

And yeah... that "physical" part - it made sense once wmarone explained it.

ossipena 2010-08-05 04:30

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 776146)
Are you challenging that Nokia does not own Navteq?

was that the only claim in the sentence?

gerbick 2010-08-05 04:47

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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 776148)
was that the only claim in the sentence?

How about you be more specific. I've no time to read minds nor play games.

ossipena 2010-08-05 04:54

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 776158)
How about you be more specific. I've no time to read minds nor play games.

what about the most obivous thing:

Quote:

how a 550$ phone doesnt have decent voice navigation
http://www.sygic.com/

gerbick 2010-08-05 05:08

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Oh... that nav that costs money, above the purchase of the phone.

Yeah. I totally get your point now.

ossipena 2010-08-05 05:27

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 776167)
Oh... that nav that costs money, above the purchase of the phone.

Yeah. I totally get your point now.

should the original statement be reformatted then? (which was my original point...)

rcarlos 2010-08-05 05:35

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With all these questions lined up to the exec arent we overlooking the most obvious one

Will the Q&A happen on time as indicated ???

So an additional one shld be on why nokia doesnt stand to the anounced timelines........probably an answer to their polcy on communications

leviathan18 2010-08-05 05:45

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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 776126)
I'd check my sources if I were you....

you are missing the point entirely, OVI MAPS, yes we have it but it doesn't work as a navigation system


Any decent smart phone has a navigation system and it is sad that nokia in their flagship phone they don't have it specially when they own navteq and even the cheapest symbian model you can get from Nokia has a decent OVI maps.

HellFlyer 2010-08-05 05:51

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Originally Posted by leviathan18 (Post 776179)
you are missing the point entirely, OVI MAPS, yes we have it but it doesn't work as a navigation system


Any decent smart phone has a navigation system and it is sad that nokia in their flagship phone they don't have it specially when they own navteq and even the cheapest symbian model you can get from Nokia has a decent OVI maps.

Well from Nokia's point of view cited about 1000 times in TMO "they are new to Maemo and they are adding new features all the time" lolz...

oh and N900 is not a flagship for them either :mad:

ossipena 2010-08-05 05:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leviathan18 (Post 776179)
you are missing the point entirely, OVI MAPS, yes we have it but it doesn't work as a navigation system


Any decent smart phone has a navigation system and it is sad that nokia in their flagship phone they don't have it specially when they own navteq and even the cheapest symbian model you can get from Nokia has a decent OVI maps.

maybe you should write in a such way that the point is clear and there are no factual mistakes in the text?

e: and you don't know how to visit www.sygic.com with your browser?

fatalsaint 2010-08-05 06:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 775939)
I feel the same about Facebook.

I'm not a fan of social networking sites at all, really. I just signed up one day because my wife made a funny quiz so I wanted to take it for fun. It actually has entirely incorrect information about me on it... Asking facebook to keep a secret would be like... well.. asking google.

Quote:

Still, when a quake hits (I'm in California), Twitter beats heck out of the news media. And Iran news was also very valuable.
Interesting POV.. (as is the other guy re: custom searches).. but, while I am a bit of an internet junky; I already have this forum, the Meego Forum, a third forum, Facebook, IRC, and email to keep up with. Adding another site, that performs damn near identical functionality to a site I'm already on (actually somewhat less.. as it's status only, and doesn't include all the fancy games, quizzes, and other junk that I no longer actually use :D) - is just not worth it to me.

Quote:

It's just that this guy was saying that such-and-such an event was happening, and he sounded interested. He said he didn't have Twitter like I'd say I don't have an iPad. But he could get Twitter in less than a minute, check out the event, and delete his account later. I couldn't do that with an iPad -- I'd have to buy one first.

So it was good to get an explanation of your point of view.
I agree 100%.. but at the same time: It'd have to be one helluva event to get me to go through that much work.. just to post a question. I probably would have taken your original quoted guys method too: Post here, someone else has twitter and can ask the question.

</thread derail ;)>

danramos 2010-08-05 08:41

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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 775911)
More specifically, why don't they just recognize it's a hardware problem and do what Microsoft does. Replace it, no questions asked. Heck they even use to send you a box free of charge for you to put the device in and even pay for shipping.

This is what I've been touting ever since I got my Droid. I was abused so much by Nokia during the years I've owned Nokia stuff, that it was like a breath of fresh air to deal with Verizon (who doesn't have the greatest record of satisfying customers, mind you) and Amazon (who realy DID treat me very, very well in exactly the way you describe!).

Nokia has been an incredible lesson to me of how a company or merchant should NEVER treat customers. If I ever run a business, I'm going to absolutely keep that experience close to heart and make sure my brand stays close to my customers' hearts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowjk (Post 776030)
I think it said Flash 9.4 on the box.

I think it also said open-source, Maemo and a few other things that may or may not be relevant. From the sound of it, the N900 will be a much better Android phone than Maemo. Aw well.

YoDude 2010-08-05 12:53

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I don't use twitter or Facebook either.

Why don't you ask him something he could answer:
In the past, many of the customer expectations and disappointments with the N900 seemed to be a result of Nokia marketing's lack of even a fundamental understanding of the Maemo OS.

Will there be a specific marketing team for MeeGo devices that does have knowledge of these future MeeGo products?

How much sales and marketing resources is he planning to commit to MeeGo before a product is released?

quipper8 2010-08-05 13:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by leviathan18 (Post 776179)
you are missing the point entirely, OVI MAPS, yes we have it but it doesn't work as a navigation system


Any decent smart phone has a navigation system and it is sad that nokia in their flagship phone they don't have it specially when they own navteq and even the cheapest symbian model you can get from Nokia has a decent OVI maps.

actually nokia is the only phone MANUFACTURER that owns and supplies its own phones with maps and navigation software, a nice bonus.

the rest have to resort to third part services like google maps or pay software.

maemo is obviously not feature complete, including maps, but i am sure the maps team is working on getting maps more functional on meego.

Laughing Man 2010-08-05 13:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 776320)
This is what I've been touting ever since I got my Droid. I was abused so much by Nokia during the years I've owned Nokia stuff, that it was like a breath of fresh air to deal with Verizon (who doesn't have the greatest record of satisfying customers, mind you) and Amazon (who realy DID treat me very, very well in exactly the way you describe!).

Nokia has been an incredible lesson to me of how a company or merchant should NEVER treat customers. If I ever run a business, I'm going to absolutely keep that experience close to heart and make sure my brand stays close to my customers' hearts.

I think it also said open-source, Maemo and a few other things that may or may not be relevant. From the sound of it, the N900 will be a much better Android phone than Maemo. Aw well.

I've only owned three Nokia products (n800, some random dumb phone I got when I switched over to T-Mobile when Nokia screwed up the N900 launch, and the N900). Nokia's customer support and handling of Maemo has pretty much guaranteed I will never buy another Nokia device again. I'm hoping that other manufacturers will join in on Meego, since I love what I can do with the operating system and the hardware itself. Just not the company supporting it. At this point I'm more likely to buy an iPad from Apple than a Meego tablet from Nokia simply because I don't want to touch it if Nokia is responsible for the customer support. And that's not including the OS, or buggy software. It's just basic level hardware support!

And on the Maemo, Android note. I don't think Maemo was really ever suited to be a phone OS and I've always treated Maemo on the N900 like I did Maemo on the n800. My own personal hope (if dj_steve and everyone gets it to that point) is to use Maemo for computer operations and Android for smartphone operations.

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Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 776525)
I don't use twitter or Facebook either.

Why don't you ask him something he could answer:
In the past, many of the customer expectations and disappointments with the N900 seemed to be a result of Nokia marketing's lack of even a fundamental understanding of the Maemo OS.

I think marketing is a huge problem with the N900. It is not suited to be a consumer device. I disagree with the Step 4 of 5. It's more like Step 2 or 3 to me. They badly need to do what Ubuntu did to make Linux desktop operating systems more user friendly before they even consider trying to marketing Meego. And that's not just OS interaction, it's everything. Things that Apple has figured out from close to the get go and Google is well on their way to figure out. There's not much of an excuse not to implement it well, others have already experimented. You just have to copy and improve on it. For example, making the Ovi Store more like Microsoft's XBOX LIVE marketplace.

HellFlyer 2010-08-05 15:24

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Twitter users just a reminder for you the propose of this thread :)

5 August between 6-7pm GMT (10-11am PDT, 1-2pm EDT)

leviathan18 2010-08-05 15:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 776182)
maybe you should write in a such way that the point is clear and there are no factual mistakes in the text?

e: and you don't know how to visit www.sygic.com with your browser?

Oh sorry, you must be from Oxford University, what if we talk in Spanish, which is my mother tongue...

Why would I have to pay to Sygic for a Navigation system, look at promo videos from nokia and you can see they tout the stupid navigation for the N900, it's incoherent from them not to have a decent OVI MAPS in the N900.

Same with PBAP IrMc SyncML, they are showcasing the TERMINAL mode in a VW car and you can't use a symbian or maemo phone with their cars.

same with the GENIVI Nokia is part of thar organization and they don't support basic protocols from BT

and I've owned nokia since 1999 with the 8265, and the N900 wont be my last phone, but they should keep this crap to a minimum

ikirk 2010-08-05 15:38

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Reading many of the questions on here, and the vast majority are quite detailed, with arguments etc - but they won't dont fit on twitter (140 chars max). I wonder if that was the reason Nokia decided to do this Q&A on twitter?!? Hmmm... ;)

craftyguy 2010-08-05 15:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 776536)
actually nokia is the only phone MANUFACTURER that owns and supplies its own phones with maps and navigation software, a nice bonus.

the rest have to resort to third part services like google maps or pay software.

maemo is obviously not feature complete, including maps, but i am sure the maps team is working on getting maps more functional on meego.

So what you're saying is that they should stick with what they are good at (making hardware) and use a maps app from someone who knows how to make a decent maps app?

Oh noes, google maps is sooo horrible.. (sarcasm..)

attila77 2010-08-05 16:02

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Originally Posted by ikirk (Post 776675)
Reading many of the questions on here, and the vast majority are quite detailed, with arguments etc - but they won't dont fit on twitter (140 chars max). I wonder if that was the reason Nokia decided to do this Q&A on twitter?!? Hmmm... ;)

Twitter is a notoriously bad vehicle for ranting. That's one advantage :)

@leviathan18: It's not incoherent, Ovi Maps was originally written for Symbian, it takes time until the whole thing gets rewritten with Qt for the next version, which can then be utilized on the N900.

jd4200 2010-08-05 16:07

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Sigh, my long battle not to join twitter has come to an end.
I hope this is worth it.

leviathan18 2010-08-05 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 776706)
Twitter is a notoriously bad vehicle for ranting. That's one advantage :)

@leviathan18: It's not incoherent, Ovi Maps was originally written for Symbian, it takes time until the whole thing gets rewritten with Qt for the next version, which can then be utilized on the N900.

Yes Ovi maps was written for symbian, but answer me this, how long do you think nokia took to make maemo 5 ? 1 month 3 month 6 months 9 month 1 year ?

In that time they had the resources to port a decent version of ovi maps, because everything they did was a very good job, except for OVI maps and the OVI store, but conversations is a wonderful app.

And if they were somewhat smart, since they knew their future was QT which I think they have known this for some time, they should have allocated a team to port maps to QT (for maemo, hartman now meego, symbian 3 and symbian 4)

jd4200 2010-08-05 16:52

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My questions are no longer showing up, seems who ever is at the keyboard has blocked me.
I bet Niklas is in a different country with no computer in sight and is talking to someone on the phone who is picking the questions for him.


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