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Nokia themselves can't even upload a game they already had available back in February. (Rollercoaster 3D)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lHPX_iHKs&1&fmt=18

So smoku, you are not alone. =P

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Oh, I'm sorry.
I feel less cheated now...

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I do not quite understand the obsession with the Ovi Store. As Ovi Store makes it virtually impossible to submit content, difficult to download content, does not seem to do any quality control, and (apparently) does not provide sufficient copy protection, I do not see why anyone would even use it. We have got Extras. App Manager + Extras work way better than the Ovi Store. Why not just use that?

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And with FapMan it's even better!

One thing that was always frustrating about the default App Manager was the inability to select multiple packages to install. I mean seriously... every apt/yum/rpm/deb front-end in the past.. forever.. has had that capability...

ETA: However.. I can understand frustrations if people want to sell their apps. The only way to really do that on Extras is to release a "shareware" version that someone has a form of "unlock" key that is automatically generated specific to the device when it's installed.. and they pay the developer who then gives them an unlock key for full functionality... or something similar.

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I do not see a problem there. People sold their apps for ages, long before Apple's AppStore appeared. You set up a deal with a credit card processing company (like eSellerate) and start selling unlock keys. You app is still available from Extras-Testing Non-Free. True, there is no sane way it can ever migrate to proper Extras, but pretty much everyone has Extras-Testing enabled nowadays.

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Understood but it's more work on the developer.

On the one hand: There's supposedly a store they can upload their closed source app and users can't even download it without first paying.

On the other hand: There's a repository where users can download their app and the developer themselves have to code in a special way to handle keys.

See which one is easier?

Don't get me wrong.. I don't pay for software anyway.. so I'm certainly not a user of the software I'm talking about.. I only deal with Open Source. I am just saying I can see their frustration... it's just a Non-issue for me.

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Like I want to jump through all these hoops.

It's easier to just forget this niche Nokia target and port my apps to Android and have all the benefits of a working store, huge userbase, nice application browser every single android user has installed, and nice web frontend. Even registration is cheaper ($25 AM < €50 OS).

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When you buy goods you enter into a contract with the seller of those goods. Under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 goods must be:

* 'as described',
* 'of satisfactory quality', and
* 'fit for purpose' – this means both their everyday purpose, and also any specific purpose that you agreed with the seller (for example, if you specifically asked for a printer that would be compatible with your computer).

Goods sold must also match any sample you were shown in-store, or any description in a brochure.


....LAWYERED!

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It is really not that difficult.

Android has got its own share of warts. To begin with, it is a Java-only platform (their native APIs are rudimentary). Secondly, app stores are really bad for app distribution or sales, as they tend to only present the most popular apps to the user. The rest get buried down-list, never to be found by an average user. Thirdly, app stores give you smaller share of profit than credit card processors. And so forth.

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Nokia were well on their way with this December 2009/january 2010.

They created enough "buzz" to get peoples's interest in it.

Not now.

Any sane Developer thinks like smoku now.

Of course the "ivory Tower Directors" just do not understand this.

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No sadly the sticker by itself wont do anything. I believe the real issue here is Nokia unwillingness to support the N900. If Nokia wanted to support it, they have the money and expertise to make this work and work well.

Meego is something they are invested in. I believe to not give it there all will truly be the beginning of Nokia's suicide.

2d

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If you take a look at the complete Package of Ovi-services - you'll find that the only Ovi-service that works perfectly is Ovi-Mail, well mostly because it is webmail (A microB plugin is used for the automatic login). Mostly these services is a no go - with the N900.

It's not just an Ovi Store problem.

Many regards

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Smoku, as I understand it, there is no forthcoming improved amiga port.

Are you planning one for android ?

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hey why don't we set up a private Maemo5 app store? host by the community and have paid apps or free apps in there?
I think we can do better than the crappy stupid Ovi store that Nokia never pay attention at and bother to maintaining it? Nokia is failing bad, worst than ever again and again. Only just a web site FFS how hard is it to just maintain it properly?

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I've seen this proposed many times on here but nothing ever comes of it.

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I'm glad you can do it. :D

When will it be ready?

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I would if i have a more reliable computer and internet. My net is crap here in NZ. Slow as hell. If someone else could host it then I am sure people here would love to contribute :) just made my credit card the other day.

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I think there are not many developers still active on this forum anymore. Most just gave up and stopped bother develope anything new for N900. Since Ovi a pain then who would upload their app there? even the great Smoku is giving up. I can't see the future lol

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While I agree with Fatalsaint, in that I rarely buy software anymore, mainly because I prefer owning the source, I do buy games occasionally and even more so when it is to support the efforts of developers who support my platform of choice. I've bought many Linux games for instance, just to show my support, and haven't actually played any of them the whole way through (due to time, etc)

I even bought Angry Birds level pack 1 and Zenbound, to show my support of the N900.

So Saturday I was playing around with MeeGo, couldn't do much, so installed NITDroid. I only once owned a Motorola Cliq for about a month before I bought my N900... I had forgotten how much Android annoyed me. NITDRoid lasted about an hour of me searching for Flash 10.1, then I gave up and reformatted my SDCard back.

The thing that annoyed me was the Market. As others have said, unless your app is extremely popular, it gets buried.

Oh, and there already are Amiga emulators for Android, UAE4Droid.

slaapliedje

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My take on the subject: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...the-ovi-store/

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I must say I am registered at the OVI store but haven't used it once. If buying something would be necessary I wouldn't be put off to do this via the developer's homepage/paypal.

50€ for a mere entry sounds crazy, but I don't know what an entry entails behind the scenes.

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I think the biggest benefit to ovi store or similar app stores is the payment processing, that's the most difficult thing to supply on your own. Especially if you have a global audience, want to take payment via SMS, etc.

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A small game. Shisen-Sho clone.
I had few projects targeted at Ovi and this was the first ready to release. And I hit the wall. Badly. :mad:

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I wouldn't bother with OVi store, even if you managed to get it in (so to speak), many can't get it out because of restrictions, bugs, etc. I can't buy anything from them for example. They have prices in RON and a listing for Romania but only take full Visa which is probably available to 5 people in the form they want (compatible with US-type Visa, unlocked for internet, secured). We use Electron here in 99% of cases, credit or debit.

After weeks of searching for an answer, I am thoroughly convinced it's not worth it and that, as a developer, one must seek other paths. Either a different store, that sells generic software and has decent payment, or a personal endeavor, like an international garage sale site that ends in bay and accept payment via a gold Paypal account (or what's it called).

The software I sold in my life was through a site that has since kind of changed, but it was a generic site and I liked them because you could upload an exe that self-extracts (or any other packaging method, one file only) and a predefined XML that contained all details. Also provided, free, a wizard-like tool that allowed for easy XML building.

I think it was the virtual software store. (The Virtual Software Store accepts Debit, Credit or Purchase Cards with a Visa, Mastercard, American Express or Discover Card Logo from anywhere in the world). No PayPal.

There are others. Don't give up. Aside from the fact that you'll deprive this community of a good chunk of its developers (you're it), doing this successfully will open a path for others.

And finally, there's always the option to make software unlockable by key (I like my RSA implementation) and personally accept orders via PayPal, and deliver keys based on email that made the payment.

You don't have to make it uncrackable, just hard enough to make it not worth the trouble.

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The promise of Ovi Store is that it has a preinstalled link on every N900 and is heavily marketed by Nokia.
No other store has so good penetration, thus require a lot of effort for marketing. And even then I wouldn't count on high revenue stream.
Selling on my own is even worse. I have a lot to take care of and do not really want to take third full-time job in marketing and sales.

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I would argue the point, apple is on every phone they produce, ovi store is heavily dependent on your phone model and for most of their low range candy bar phones isn't present.

Problem for the N900 is no one develops to sell, which I think is down to the process of getting things through their approval process and valuing the cost and time against the returns for all that effort.

I am sure symbian apps which are much more common would have a bigger following and more likely turn around.

I still think app stores like android and apple are bigger and have more penetration, mainly due to the fact everyone of the phones of that brand links to the app store from birth, is designed for that app store. OVI store isn't yet complete (still beta) and came after most phones were out, so the interface is a cobbled together mess to suit the differing OS and phone layouts that Nokia insist is a good thing.

Nokia are their own worst enemy and if they can't decide on an OS and a phone layout, how can a developer?

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which ones come without the link to the ovi store pre-configured? the last low-end S40-phones i saw all had it.

the reason why it doesn't have much of an impact may be that people who buy a, say, 3720 don't use it for accessing the web... therefore, they don't have a data plan... and they never bother to set up the ovi suite or do anything else that would enable them to download software to their phones. a phones that's not "connected" doesn't make a good client for an app store.

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Well you can release it on your own site if you want :D taking payPal?
I hope there is a game "NINJA FRUIT" like on the N900. :(

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Ok. But we are talking about N900.
Apple App Store has 0% penetration in Maemo market.

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Maybe you should reread:

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From experience, it's not a hard thing to do. Takes 5 mins a day tops.

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What makes you think so? Have you tried? Because I have, and it definitely isn't as bad as you paint it to be. Does not take much extra time.

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Yes, I tried selling shareware.

If you're fine with making some money to go out for a beer once a month may be worth considering. But I'm not a student living at my parents place anymore.

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Yes, this is essentially correct: it is in no way a full-time occupation. But then. the Ovi Store is not going to change that anyway: it does not add much value, other than presenting your app at the Ovi Store site and processing payments.

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I can't believe you used the phrase Ovi Store on the same line as the word "seriously". This is pretty close to being an oxy***** -- the Ovi Store seems so primitive to me as not to be serious.

Seems to me that the easiest thing would be to put a PayPal button on a site somewhere and beg passersby who like your program to donate.

Oh my gosh, they censored the word oxy*****! They will probably censor this one too. Well, if they don't care about communication, they can censor whatever they want.

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Why is the word o x y m o r o n censored? Will I be given thirty lashes for using it?

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It's not. M o r o n is though. That's why you get oxy***** when you type it :p

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Right, well that's brain-dead, idiotic, stupid. anencephalic.

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I ve tryed to sell Vectormine ... the problem isn't putting a payment system, it s take one hour to do to an experimented developpers. No the problem is more visibility ... as non free app promotion in maemo is completely broken, noone test non free apps and ... you got really poor visibility. Indeed ovi store isn't good ... but provide a real visibility on your apps or game ... look how many time angry bird was download ...