Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

yeah, I agree, that sucks; but it still has better ui design than android, imho....

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

100% agree.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

You took the words out of my mouth. I was just about to say that after reading stupid posts about merging with several other threads. There are more than several, and we are talking dedicated customers who partake in a forum and help support the phone for everyone else. Not the 'average' jo that just bins it and moves on without a complaint.

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That for me is the point too. I became a member way before getting the device and I spent a lot of time reading up on this forum. Nokia sucks, but show me the manufacturer that does not suck. Quite sure at some point one will be able to prove that said company is just better in deceit.

I enjoy my N900. It´s by far the best device I have ever had and I get out of it what I want. I have never expected anything from Nokia, nor would I ever expect anything from any of their competetors. My joy is a nice machine, a multi purpose tool for geeks that fits in my pocket. What I get out of it is enough for now. I don t really see what I would desperately need more. Of course. all people are different. so the needs differ. But as I see it. this phone is a developers phone, or whatever you want to call it. Of course our input is being used by Nokia for the next device they probably want to sell to the masses. Every company wants to make profit and I don´t think Nokia will have made much from this machine.

All in all I am under the impression that quite a few of the people that bought this machine should not have bought it in the first place. I don´t feel threatened or insulted by posts like this. It is just someone expressing his or her disappointment. Fully justified I think, for none of us got this machine for free. Let people express their anger or disappointment, let others express their joy.

/€ 0.02


edit: merging all complaints to one big thread might actually be nice if you believe something could be gained by offering it to Nokia as a form of petition. Personally I don´t believe in it but I guess a forum thread with a thousand angry postings might be hard to ignore. Even for Nokia...

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Wait, he is up to 24 and working on it...

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Oh wow... I must have missed in the forum rules that for being entitled to an opinion you must first attain some undocumented amount of thanks first.

I guess you don't play one of those MMO where you have to be max level and have top gear, top rating, etc to get an opinion too, do you? If you don't you should check it, you'll feel right at home from the start.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

In General section, you could create a Goodbye n900 subforum.

And also a n900 buyers guide sticky, warts and all.

I think both things have been a long time coming

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Would there be a difference were it still called "Maemo 6"?

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Nothing More... just Users and Developers choose a wrong device.

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Only if it meant full, official support and not provisional, community based support.

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Yep. An announcement. Not final MeeGo product. N900 has something like one year before there will be a MeeGo device. It was announced in September 2009 and shipped in November. So, this rant about 6 months is not that fair IMO. If Nokia decided to roll out official MeeGo support for N900, everybody would have a different tone. For some reason, they opted not to do it which is about only rant I have against Nokia in this MeeGo-issue. But still, I bought my device fully aware of it's limitations and knowing it was an early adopter device which would be replaced by something new rather sooner than later. I never buy anything based on just an assumption that manufacturer would later deliver something that it has not explicitly promised. Not from Nokia, not from any other manufacturer.

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I can unerstand peoples anger and frustration, what i don't understand is the need to say goodbye and leave with a nokia you suck and no that will not give this community any good nor the leaver, just some steam being let off. The person is just as disapointed with N900 after posting. Yep some will agree some wont and those who agree will bring some feeling of belonging together and stand unieted against nokia, but your device will not change from nokia sucks and i'm leaving threads. I'm no fanboy and my reason for not liking these threads are simple, negative thoughts will bring more negative thoughts and this thread is just one long proove of that. People slamming on each others heads for some different opinions and slamming nokia for this and that and the community. If you want to leave do it without all the drama.

Yes people have paid real money for this device and many of them did not read up on it aswell and therefor so many nokia sucks and community sucks and everybody sucks threads. Keep in mind that it's just a phone not life and your behavior in here will give some clue what to exspect of you in real life and how you address problems small or big. So please stop the finger pointin and get on with a new device or live with the N900 and get the best out off it while you have it.

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Life is pain, then you buy an android.

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This story of the "developer phone" and "step 4/5" is misleading. I bought my N900 from Nokia Store after reading some reviews, and I thought this was a fully supported Nokia Phone. I suspected that something was wrong when I didn't see the phone in stores, OVI store coming soon forever, and so on...

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of course people who are angry will make a final posting, its human nature. I just thank quole for the easy debian, and am glad I could map the keyboard to my liking. if not for that I'd be looking at android too.

I do think nokia will hit a home run with meego, I just don't know if people will flock to it.

every one of these threads has a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" comment. actually that is the wrong attitude. I like my phone but I could really see why someone who bought it new back when it was filled with hope would be pissed. people also keep saying you were not promised anything from nokia. a device is like a new baby in the family. would you tell your kid, "oh you were not promised an education, stop whining"? would you dump your kid into foster care and then tell them to feel lucky for what they have?

while the other kids were living in a walled garden?

just thank god for easy debian and the nice (though cramped) keyboard.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Well.. I guess this will be my only response to threads such as this now.

So what exactly do you expect us to do about it?

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Alot of these people have tried and failed to live with the device (as you can see by their number of posts). If this final grieving process is cathartic give them a small space to be so.

But I think the title could have been less inflammatory.

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i totally agree. I thinkit was a real mean trick for nokia to announce meego and simultaneously make all of our fones stop being able to do all the cool stuff that made us buy an n900 in the first place...

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Nothing. Just let them vent without saying "developer phone" or "step 4/5". :D

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I don't see the problem with anything OP wrote. The thread title isn't defamatory, nor insulting; it's more of a lament (as others have noted). OP isn't a troll, and has rationally and calmly defended and expanded on his original post in this thread. The "GOODBYE WE WONT MISS YOU HAHA" replies are of no use to me, although those people posting those must have thought there was some value in doing so.

Like many other early adopters, I'm increasingly disappointed with the N900 as a phone (it's the worst Nokia mobile phone I've ever owned) even while I love the other little things it can do (because, yes, it's not a phone, it's a mobile computer... haha). I'm quite willing to spend time tweaking, hacking and googling, but I have limited free time. When I have to wait 3-4 seconds for the phone to re-orient itself when I answer or end a phone call before I know if the call is live or ended (or accidentally rejected it) there is a problem beyond my inability to understand how lucky I am to have paid big bucks for an 'open' phone/OS.

It has been uncomfortable sensation for me these last 6 months realising that if many of the things I am unhappy about had been tied to an Apple or Microsoft product, I would have been ranting very hard about them. I think my Nokia goodwill is paper-thin now - the N900 experience should have been fantastic, but instead has been underwhelming with flashes of brilliance.

Posts from unhappy Nokia owners are free to make and free to read (please don't count hosting cost or electricity). They are also free to not read, thus saving you the only resource which really matters here: time.

Personally, I'm not sure what my next phone will be, even though I've been quite happy with all my Nokias since 2000. The N95 was much easier to live with than the N900 (again, this is hardly a unique opinion). It won't be an iPhone - I'm not quite ready for the rainbows-and-prozac experience (thanks Hangloose for the laugh - best thing about this thread):
...but I'm not sure if it will be a Nokia. I don't know where to go from here, really.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Let me make it clear....I have been a Nokia owner since 1996 and have loved most of their handsets and it was with great sadness and torment to end my loyalties with Nokia as I could no longer put up with Nokia's incompetencies to compete with the market leaders!

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

I've seen nothing to even hint that Nokia shelved plans to release and fully support Maemo 6 on the N900 due to the merger into MeeGo. I don't believe such a plan ever existed.

Beyond the codename itself, little information about Harmattan was public prior to Maemo Summit 2008. It was at that Summit, when community developers were just getting information on the general architecture of Fremantle for the first time, that Nokia began talking about Harmattan as the great thing that lay beyond.

That 2008 Summit also marked a peak in community frustration with Nokia. The announcement that Fremantle wouldn't be made available for N8x0 devices hit hard, and a few good developers, important enough to be brought to the Summit on Nokia's dime, left in disgust. Had Nokia plans to bring Harmattan to the upcoming "Maemo 5 lead device", that would have been a good time to do it. "With the Internet Tablets, we've been leaving old devices behind when the next big thing arrives. Due to a performance jump and a lack of cellular data hardware, we're forced to do that again with Fremantle. Sorry. We've learned though, and it won't be happening again. Maemo 5 devices will be upgradable to Harmattan." Nope.

By Maemo Summit 2009, MeeGo talks with Intel must have been underway, but that wasn't announced. A few details of the Harmattan hardware platform were announced though, and overall, they sounded quite similar to the N900s that were handed out--except for the shift to a capacitive, multitouch display. Was it, "Don't worry though, the Harmattan UI is fully usable without multitouch, and an upgrade will be available for the N900"? Nope. Paraphrasing, it was: "Supporting both resistive single-touch and capacitive multitouch would be hard in a UI."

The MeeGo announcement didn't doom the N900. MeeGo just put a new, shiny coat of paint on the already approaching Harmattan release to make it more noticeable. Good or bad, what was, is, just under a new name.

If anything, the merger to MeeGo and corresponding tie to the Linux Foundation may benefit the N900, but that's another discussion.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Telling us that the 'n900 and maemo 5' was nothing compared to its succesor/next iteration before its launch was another masterstoke by Nokia.

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We knew last year this time that Maemo 5 was going to be replaced by Maemo 6. So at that point we knew Maemo 5 was still born, the shift was happening with or without MeeGo.

I think Nokia's biggest fault was not saying in advertising that the N900 is basically a developer edition and not for traditional end users. Most people leaving want an iPhone or Android device because they are "Phones" first with normal phone features implemented.

I also think Nokia has the best plan for "mobile computers" out of it's competitors. As much as we hear about MeeGo - Nokia has been working on Maemo 6 for over a year.

You can't tell me everyone on this forum wouldn't go crazy if the the next Nokia device had a dock to allow it to be connected to a keyboard, mouse or monitor to be used as a nano desktop yet mobile.

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Heh. Given you are a company delivering a new mobile device--and an improved software release to drive it--approximately once a year--and given you're working to increase the openness of your software development process--getting more open source developers involved earlier and working upstream at all times--what's your suggested alternative?

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I would focus on the merits of the device/platform itself. Promising something for the future doesn't sound like company resources are going to be supporting current device. And indeed, this proved to be the case.

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love the phone, love the community support, love the os bugs and all.. sounds like most people are a bit ticked at being abandoned by nokia and the possibility of falling back on a manufacturer supported os. i know i am. has anyone twittered the neuter from nokia asking him to at least read comments on this forum?

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Same feelings here, n900 is awesome if you're a C/C++ developer else its below average.

I'm willing to give Nokia one last chance before I jump ship forever.. Instead of buying the next Nokia Meego device (with slideout keyboard) on release day, I'll wait for non-fanboy reviews.

If that device and OS gets trashed by objective reviews, I'm not turning back.....

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I would concentrate on the software and make sure those early supporters and developers were loved, that you gave them everything they needed to support one software before you pull the rug and support in favour of another FAD. At the VERY LEAST you do a total and equal amount of support to cover what the development community do. That way you don't look like junk to the world and it's dog and everyone looking to buy into it later on, lots of people come on here, read people saying good bye and thanks for all the fish. They don't see a happy developers community being loved by Nokia, so they won't buy in later on.

You as a company make sure that every piece of software you as the company are responsible for is fully supported at all times, like Ovi maps, Ovi suite, Ovi store. So that when you actually release something it works, allowing developers a fair crack at the whip. Not hamstringing them with a turkey from the get go.

You won't get more open source developers on board if you don't even match their effort. Get OVI in all it's named areas working as an "AT least." benchmark before you move onto the next new thing.

And as a second but equaly important point. Make sure your new software does what every other manufacturers in the market can do (MMS, custom ring tones, word editing etc), or you fight a losing battle of catch up. 6 months to get half written and under performing basics. Others are doing it bigger, better and faster, so you will never catch up and Nokia are not catching up. So where do developers go, the "nice easy business model with customers", or the "mess and no support" Nokia?

That is the suggested alternative.

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Linux 2.odd and Linux 2.even. I assure you that Maemo Summit 2008 was not a marketing effort targeting regular retail customers. It was a completely non-glossy developer event. That's a different audience.

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What are you "farewellers" doing with your old N900s?

Mine had a tragic accident last month and I've been using a Nokia 6030 as a backup since. I miss the N900 and all it's quirks and non support.

So if any of you that are jumping ship wish to help out a fellow maemo.org member, I'd be happy to take that old N900 off your hands!

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I guess alot of us here do follow bits of information about the device more than the average buyer.

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i still like this device, am I going to be accused for fanboyism and have burnt in fire for that?

This thred shoud die...

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

If such threads had their own subforum it could easily be transferred there and detagged on the feed.

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Hopefully not.

Why? The thread is still on-topic; it is discussing reasons why people arrive at the same point OP has arrived at. If you can't stand that, avoid the thread.

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I've seen nothing that supports that there will be anything other than a attempt to get MeeGo onto the N900 officially - and what will not be supported officially. I think the accompanying announcement when PR1.2 came out didn't exactly spell out that anything was coming that will be fully Nokia supported.

Be it Maemo 6, Harmattan or MeeGo Community Edition; go back and look at the way it was phrased. It will not be a supported OS despite the N900 being the current way to develop for MeeGo.

It's 3/4ths through 2010; nothing supports what you're saying. Nokia themselves said "no"... did they not? No more talks about 2008 summits, or 2009 releases, in 2010 alongside PR1.2, they stated that Nokia would not support Harmattan/Maemo 6/MeeGo 1.1 on the N900.

The burden of proof to show otherwise is truly upon those that believe otherwise. Not on me to prove myself right. There is current evidence that states just that.

Do you have proof that states how Nokia will support, release and allow for updating to Harmattan/Maemo 6/MeeGo and it not be a community supported only endeavor? I'll accept links and/or pdf links. I don't listen to idle banter nor idealism too well any more.

That's what happened on the Flash

Deja vu.

And now that resistive versus capacitive screen discrepancy is what some folks from Nokia is using to say exactly why MeeGo will not come out officially for the N900. Right?

It may still be coming... but I don't quite think that you understood what I wanted. Allow me to reiterate: I want Nokia to support the upgrade, not the community, not a second or third party, Nokia to support it. That is what is not going to happen.

I haven't stated anything else; I will not state anything else. I refuse to dive into semantics... I'm being rather straight-forward. Harmattan/Maemo 6/MeeGo on the N900 will not be an officially supported upgrade. That came directly from Nokia.

If it has changed, I'll accept being fully wrong upon a Nokia.com, Ovi Blog link only. Nothing lesser.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Strange i'm running Android on my N900 at this very minute courtesy of devs like dj_Steve. Even using the market place as well. Great to be an N900 owner..

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Has anyone said that the original poster is not entitled to an opinion? Could you point out where this was said?

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

I turned to the iPhone 3G, then jumped back to the N900 and have to say cant wait to get back to the iPhone

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It's possible that some of the farewellers' N900s may also have met with "tragic accidents"?

:p

Not that I condone that sort of thing... I frequently encourage my [not very techie] gf not to slam her delicate fist on her laptop when some flash-based website doesn't work the way she expects...