Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

sure... if your coffee maker is connected to a switch which is controlled by a PC or something:p. ok,,, you still need to have that brown stuff in the coffee maker 1st and then somehow pipe in the water:D

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

I want symbian.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

I want to run Symbian progs in Maemo

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

Rather than u raging and telling me to GTFO from my own topic, y dun u get a life and stop bashing against other people's ideas, coz that's wot u've done all this time, whereas i was nice in the first place. Learn to understand the situation ur in be4 u tell ppl to gtfo from their own topics. Ur the one that read it and keep coming back. Not to mention that i'm not even raging.


And YOU go take a look at the symbian phones. I did a fair comparison between the N900 and the N97. N97 runs symbian, right? Well aside from the keyboard differences, tell me exactly how many buttons this thing requires, here i'll even post a link for ya:

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-pictures-2615.php


the pics are at the bottom from all angles. The only extra buttons N97 have is the typical pickup/end call button, that that little side button next to them.

3 extra buttons on the front face of the phone. Ur previous comment was saying that people couldn't use their phones without a end task button, and i answered already saying that there's no need for that, as long as we make a few adjustments so that symbian ends tasks the same way that we do on maemo.

And please learn to read, i've also given a 2nd example in my previous previous comment, the upcoming Nokia N9 runs symbian and it doesn't even have anything other than the hardware keyboard:

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-pictures-3398.php


And why don't you give me some concrete examples of what kind of symbian apps or features that won't work on the N900?? Do you see Android running natively on the N900, Windows Mobile or iPhone? No? Of course not, they never came with it installed. BUT Then how were they ported and able to run fine on them?? HMM?


Let's put it this way. Let's just put aside the differences between N900 and N97, let's pretend they all use the same OS. Now answer this, can both devices perform the typical same tasks that we use everyday?? Now compare this with EVERY OTHER PHONE. Iphone only has 3 buttons (power, volume, home), and yet it can do the normal same typical tasks just like EVERY OTHER PHONE.

The buttons aren't the limitation, as long as you port and map the keys to the touch screen or use other keys like the hardware keyboard, this isn't impossible at all. Key mapping is all it takes, just a little adjustments here and there.


I really don't understand y u find this impossible, it makes me wanna face palm when clearly so many examples are out there. If this was impossible, the word "porting" wouldn't even be a word in the first place. Words like hacking/modding/jailbreaking/rooting wouldn't be there in the first place either, because we'd be too stupid to tamper with our phone and make changes, according to your statement.



I would like to try this out just for fun but without the right tools, i can't do crap at all, after all symbian isn't open source.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

tl,dr
From what I skimmed above, you got a few things wrong.
1. The N9 is the first MeeGo phone, not Symbian.
2. Symbian is Open Source

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

Ok, but is that confirmed or just speculation?? I found so many Google results where N9 was shown as symbian. Regardless, that was just an example, my reasonings still proved it doesn't matter anyway.


As for Symbian going open source, that's my bad. I haven't used it since 6 years ago so haven't been up to date. In that case i'll take a look into it, i hope by "open source" it's actually like N900 or Android where u get a deep enough access to all the files rather than just scratching the surface. Actually Android is kinda like that.....

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

You ask about confirmation regarding a high-end Nokia device? A Nokia device? Perhaps you could show us your sources or the N9 specs running Symbian? Untill the device comes out, id est, is officially announced any conversation will be speculation.

I haven´t been up to date either, but a quick glance over at the Wiki page taught me it´s open source since februari 2010.

I can´t help but wondering, after reading this thread and your comments, what you yourself are able and willing to contribute to such a project as porting Symbian to the N900. You talk about "we", yet you get angry at anyone who gives a bit of opposition to your expressed ideas. If there is such a thing as "we", regarding this particular idea of yours, how come you seem to have so much trouble taking a bit of criticism? I suppose you are aware that a lot of people who own the N900 are higher than average tech-savy people that tend to be fairly critical at any technology being thrown at them. That´s how they became tech-savy... So I guess my question(s) would boil down to this: what kind of road map do you have, in terms of specs and requirements and how are you going to win people over to this project in order to help you?

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

I don't recall Nokia saying that anywhere on the N900 section of their website (http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/) - if it is there I would appreciate a link[*]. And I would very much doubt that Nokia would have mentioned it in any of their marketing materials/campaigns. Regardless, while I can live with it not having features that it does not claim to have however I would expect that the features that it claims to have are working bug-free. Manufacturers these days are forever releasing sub-standard, unfinished products - conscientious manufacturers would then release updates to fix defects and unscrupulous ones try to encourage you to buy their latest products which supposedly fixes the defects but most likely introduce new defects.

* Actually I would appreciate any link, I've seen people liberally mentioning these mythical 5 steps but a quick google didn't find any source for it.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

I have always taken these type of comments about step 4/5 as ROT, the opposite of FUD: Reckless, Overconfident and Trusting.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

the biggest problem is that you weren't here when the information were available and amongst active topics.

ever heard about wikipedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900
(hint: look at the sources)

there is a simple reason why step 4 thing isn't mentioned in the marketing places (this is where "research before you buy" derives...)

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

what makes you say that? please see my post above. I am so kind that I am willing to give you the direct link because I cannot be certain you can find it at all:
http://webcast.nokia.com/CCUIv3/fram...lash-video-500

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

go to 60 minutes and he clearly states this step 4 and we have 1 step left to go

edit if you watch from 58 minutes he goes through 5 step program

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

If you wasn't so up thight.. you would realise that it's you who start all the flaming. This time you ask for peoples opinions.. and when they give you it.. you take it as flame because they don't agree with you?!? Get a life dude...

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

Thanks for the link, though I had not actively been looking for it. Why I consider the 4/5 thesis to be an optimistic one? Simple, Nokia has a reputation of letting it's clients drop as soon as the money has come in. Meego was or is by many people on the board here considered to be step 5/5 but most people took this whole step-thing to be something available for the n900. I believe we know now that this will not be the case, at least, not from an official point of view.

Personally I don't really care, as I love my device no less and it gives me almost anything I could possibly want.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

Back to the original topic, I would wait until Symbian^3 is released before getting custom rom hackers involved. Symbian^1 probably wouldn't be as exciting a challenge.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

not everyone checks Wikipedia and it's not fully accurate anyway. I mean, the guy's point was that it should've and would've been Nokia to put up this critical information and not rely on Wikipedia to inform the users. It's kinda the wrong way round, dun u think?

Sure it's a 4/5 step device. I knew this as i did my research be4 i bought it. But im sure the majority aren't happy with the way that Nokia is supporting its users right now. Whatever happened to the flash 10.1 as promised?? They drop a majority of its support and the fact remains is that people are dropping it for another device.





Well, i don't have any sources and never said i do. But i did say that Googling for Nokia N9 showed results that it's possible to be a symbian device. But after u told me that it is a Meego device, Googling around showed that as well. But anyway it doesn't matter, until the full specs and info gets released, it could be either. Anyway, that was just my example which doesn't count anymore, but my other points still stand valid.


As for the project thing, i'm just talking about me a bunch of my m8s try to port this ourselves. I'm not by all means asking anyone on this community to help me, nor am i saying that i'll be making this whole thing public. It'll just be a private thing. But i posted this idea in the first place just asking people if it's a good idea for Nokia to do this themselves since it'll be much easier if they do, since they're familiar with their own devices and Symbian.

And criticism is ok but it has to be constructive at least. If u read on page 1, those people that criticized aren't constructive at all. Those comments are pointless and i consider those spam. Maybe u should read properly next time.

Not to mention that the very same guy "atilla" spammed my topics twice in the last 2 days. In the other topic, he simply jumped in randomly during this argument i had with another guy and posted

"F.U.C.K
Y.O.U.R.S.E.L.F"

and u call that criticism huh?




SIGH.

On page 1, here's what some people posted:



and i don't even mind. But what i replied was targetting at "atilla" mainly. I don't mind a few criticisms here and there but that very same guy spammed 2 of my topics in 2 days, in the other topic he simply jumped in out of nowhere and told me to F* myself basically. It was random as hell, as i was having this argument with another guy and he just spammed my topic with comments after another, and now spammed this topic as well.


If u actually READ from page 1 to 4, u'll see our back & forth replies.

But w/e, i dun give a **** anymore.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

That's odd - a couple of days ago you said you'd added atilla to your ignore list - why'd you un-ignore him if he's causing you so much offence?

And seriously dude, take a chill pill and find out what a spammer is.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

And i also said that there's no such option to block someone from posting a reply/comment in your topic. I'd have to be at least a moderator or admin to do that.

And i am chilled. Maybe u should read page 2~4 and see who's the one that's pissed, me or him.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

wikipedia was the shortest path to the source. care to elaborate what wasn't fully accurate in the wikipedia compared to the source?

yeah, just like apple announced that iPhone 4 has major design flaw and it is their fault.... (again that is why one should do some research before buying)

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

promised where?

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

No I did not. What I said is this

May I kindly suggest you do the same?

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

Even if they where not the most intelligent and thought trough postings.. they still looks like opinions to me. And yes, i saw that other topic too.. you got aggrevated cause someone did not "hope" the same as you.

But hey.. you seams like a nice guy so i will not bother about this again.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

What i mean by Wikipedia not being accurate is coz i don't trust it fully. It's updated by users so not everything is 100% correct. And what source are you comparing Wikipedia to?? The point was that Nokia, or any company for that matter won't put up something like "we have problems with this device" OR "this device is 4/5 completed, i.e it's a prototype". That's why u don't see this on Nokia's site.


As for the iPhone, that's different. They obviously didn't tell people about the death grip. People only found out about it after they bought it, and Gizmodo even posted videos to show the problem. Because of so many users complaining about this, they had to hold another keynote to specifically addressing this issue. BUT it's NOT like they told people about it first and then people complained about it.






oops sorry, i thought u were the other guy, as i was referring to this quote:

my bad.





i wasn't being specific on this part but it was one of Adobe's keynote presentation on their flash 10.1 working on different devices, they showed it working on one of the new Android devices as well as N900, they said it'll be coming out on it. Ya Nokia didn't actually promise this but im just saying, there were a lot of things that got cancelled for the N900. BTW u can find the video on Youtube, i cbf searching.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

just read my wikipedia link. there is mentioned "step 4 / 5" and straight after that a source for it (the video link I posted later).

please just stop if you don't bother finding out what we are talking about. As I said it was the shortest path to the information, not the information source itself.

what are you using? so nokia told about step 4/5 and it is not ok because it wasn't on a first page in every web page of internet but iPhone was ok because nothing was mentioned?


I still missed the promise -part from your text....

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

tl;dr

The Wikipedia source is Nokia's CEO. Some of us watch Nokia's keynotes in the same way that Apple people watch Steve Jobs' keynotes so we remember these things. ;) It has been discussed several times.

Please don't bother getting into unnecessary distracting arguments on the internet. It's totally not worth it. They steal away too much of your positive energy. :)

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

chaoscreater stop talkin **** like a *****.
in the first topic someone sayd I HOPE NO.
you started to flamin on everybody idiots,stupid clowns **** this and that.
you can tell your mother **** you.
but if you say on a community forum **** all your spamming clowns.
you attack everyone.
the second topic(this one)
i didnt attack you.
i just sayed that you are talkin crap because you want to tell us there is no difference between n97 and n900.
nothing more.
and you started again to flam with sand in the vagina and the whole ****.
if you want to discuss the thing its ok.
you cann tell what you want.
but stay by the truth.
you get pissed because someone replys his opinion.
i never had problems here.
you arent the only one who get sometimes stupid comments.
this is life.
i dont know how it is in your country.
but thats how life goes.
not everyone thinks like you.
but if you're adult it isnt a problem for you.
so stop *****ing around like a pregnant whore and try to be an adult man....

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

Dude, chill. Seriously! Go play some Angry Birds or something. It's not worth it.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

yes you right but i don't want that people think i started this flame wars.
i never attacked him first.
he always started to flaming and says i was it.
i wouldn't have to discuss this if he would stop to say my name.
he can say what he want but i dont accept stupid lies.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

If you have to resort to insults and obscene similes (and yes, that was spelt correctly - NOT smilies:D) you have already lost the argument because you cannot maintain self-control, no matter how much technical knowledge you may have.

Some of you people have so much technical ability and knowledge here that frankly you make me feel inadequate...

If you could just get your s**t together (and yes, I spelt that on purpose to show that anyone can resort to the vernacular) and WORK together instead of using this forum as somewhere to work out your own personal neurosis and inner fears about penis size just imagine how much more could be done.

As it is, this thread has lost it's way like so many others before it...:(

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

i would love to see how you would acting if someone would say lies and crap about you.
anw who was speakin about penis?
maybe you have some deep inner fears?
think about it

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

Get back on topic, guys.
You're here to discuss ways to access to Symbian apps on the N900, not to have a pissing contest. On the internet, nobody ever wins pissing contests.

Valid question asked: wouldn't it be neat to access the existing huge library of Symbian apps? That not-existing Symbian apps in the future will be Qt based, not relevant. Who attacks who the worst, first, also not relevant.

Talk about Symbian, or don't talk at all.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 

The "promise" part i've already explained. What don't you understand about?


As for the death grip, that isn't specific to the iPhone itself. Every other phone had the same problem too. Check the keynote if u want but at least it's a good enough device to not complain about compared to the N900. Also, they give u free bumpers and a full money back if you're still not satisfied. And that issue has already been addressed. At least they don't take months to introduce a new firmware update to fix bugs here and there. That's what i call good support, even though i don't like Apple personally. But that's another discussion.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

I have had people make up lies and crap about me all my adult life - and I expect most here have as well. That's just life, is it not?

More than that I have had people swear insults and death-threats in my face and to me and my family within the last 12 months, as it happens, so do not presume to judge me.

If someone insults or attacks you it is because they either envy you, or feel threatened or inhibited by you. Sometimes their feelings are irrational, and sometimes we actually create these feelings in others through our own thoughtlessness.

It's not my place to speculate further on why anyone would feel the need to beat their chests so openly and aggressively over what is a piece of plastic and metal that fits in your pocket, but others far more qualified than me have postulated that such actions are usually related to something else close to the pocket, personal fears of inadequacy or even more disturbing childhood experiences.

I sincerely hope that you are not afflicted by such traumas or self-doubt, but would assure you that my mind is untroubled, yet quietly determined, thank you.

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

oh dear. Ur back. I missed ur rage.

Are u acting like Hitler now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJP_su-vOFQ

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

So we've gone from Symbian rants to bloody Godwins now? Well done chaoscreator... Nomen est omen...

But let me try and get this thread back on topic.

If I understand your OP correctly you are asking the people on the board here, whether or not it is a good idea to combine Symbian with Maemo?

A couple of pages further you state you are already working on a port, together with friends but that this port you are working on will probably never be released.

That leads me to the question why you are asking the board for input, assuming that once you have started working on the port you yourself will consider porting to be useful. Taken into account that you will not share the port, what is the purpose of this whole thread?

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 

Enough. Thread closed.