Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

Correct! It is, and hardware is already beyond N900. 3Mp but recording at 720p smoothly, N900 only just 480p and barely reach its 25fps (up to 25fps, NOT AT 25fps).

Not Quite! A8 architecture but not the same processor. Would you comparing OMAP3435 to OMAP3600+ and class it as the same processor? Yes it is the same A8 but different power. Would you say Core i5 and Core i7 the same CPU? Yes it is Intel CPU based on similar idea but it is two completely different things. Otherwise they would of calling it the same name. Yes it is using A8 technology it is the same A8 but even Core i7 have lower end 4 cores and higher end 4 Cores, not to mention the top of the line 6cores.


FYI, Iphone4 and Ipod, Ipad can watch720p HD. Do some research please. If it can record at 720p, do you think it can't watch?

If I have I would not still be here trying to improve my N900, FYI again, I owned this N900 since 2009, so please I know my device very well. CPU on the N900 is just a low end A8 processor, also an old architec production. Overclocking does hardly anything other than draining more battery and to play games. I don't know, N900 kind of struggled to even play Angry Bird at the moment. The game play is not smooth anymore.

Anyway, my point is, IF Nokia can't even beat the Ipod touch 4 in term of hardware specs then what can Nokia do in this mobile market era? I'm not an Iphone fanboy, I infact HATED Apple Iphone, I'm also no longer a Nokia Fanboy like some of you nor An android fanboy, nor WinMo7, nor whatever.. I am a nuetral individual being whos looking for a perfect device for me to use and worth my money to be spent on. I am disappointed the way Nokia treated their fellow loyal customers with their BC issues and dropping support. Most Nokia fanboys here will attack anyone who praise an Iphone but defending the Android. Seriously, you paying Nokia your moneys and you expecting something good for that cash. You don't need to be Nokia's bodyguard. Nokia did not pay you a cent. So get the fact that comments like mine may be hurtful to some of you but it is the fact that Nokia is losing it. N9 or N9000 won't matter as long the damn device have at least a bit of upto date technology spec instead of buying cheap hardware(s) and draining people money for the stupid branding.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

Don't go painting the A4 as some special superchip. It's simply a custom-packaged Samsung Cortex-A8 chip at a new litho with speed tweaks. It's an evolutionary change, nothing special or new.

Depends on how the hardware is set up. The record path could be higher bandwidth than the playback path, I've seen it before. But then, I've not seen anything that indicates said devices can ACTUALLY play 720p, only that they play "HD" which ends up being a heavily compressed 16:9 video stream (especially considering that no iProduct has a 1280x720 screen, especially not the iPad.)

Yes, a 9 month old run being compared negatively against a much more recent model. Why are we drawing these comparisons again, other than to bash the N900?

Works fine for me. Systems don't just gradually grind to a halt (unless you're running windows and clicking OK to every popup that comes along...)

Fill a niche? I'd accept hardware that wasn't superior in every way to the iPhone if it meant I didn't have to battle terrible, user-is-the-enemy OSes. Granted I'd be in a small niche but even that niche is profitable, if done right. Mind you, they could DO that but it wouldn't be hugely profitable.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

I'm not bashing the N900, I got one too. N900 came after the Iphone 3gs which still has better processor.

Well, the way you saying is I am stupid enough to not knowing how to use my N900? I don't just click OK and leave things running all the same. Like I said I have been using this device since 2009 and I am not that noobish as you think I am. N900 maemo5 is great, I wanted this device because it runs linux. Otherwise I would of got myself an Iphone back then. Hint, the Iphone is much thinner and faster even single task, and can be used 1 whole month without required a reboot or runs out of memory. N900 on the other hand has the Multitasking and Linux, but the longer your left it on without a reboot the more fragmented the files will be. It doesn't do defragmentation of the HDD. If someone could implementing one would be great so we don't have to keep rebooting the device everyday just to substaining the responsiveness.

And don't tell me that you never experience jerkiness after using it for 3days without a reboot. There is not a person here claimed that their N900 never once lagging or the hildon-desktop, hildon-home suddenly overloading the CPU for temporary and release it afterward. Make the device less responsive.. Even clean image won't give you smooth experience if you left your N900 on for more than a few days. Trust me, been there and done that....

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

Anyway, if Nokia wants catch up or get some profit out of this new fast paste mobiling world then they will have to do a big step up and catching up. By releasing an older cheaper processor and hardware(s) for the sake of gaining profit then it may seems to work for a short run but after 6months the device will not be competing with the competitors. Also if they learn how to do BC on all of their device they would not lose customers at all. Actually it will sell older device along side the new one too.

N9 has to be very fast and slick, thinner and has to be every single bit better and beyond what the N900 hardware can do. Most importantly maintaining the stability without the needs of restarting the device, got to have plenty of software to use free and paid. If they do it right, they will sell N9 like a hot cake.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

Of course, of course. The N900 is always behind because Nokia is 100% incompetent. Right.

My point is that the N900, unless you've done -something- to your system, will behave the same now as it did when you bought it. Last I checked, Angry Birds runs the same now as it did months ago. You don't have to be a noob to cause a performance degradation.

Thinner yes, but it also lacks a keyboard, which is one huge buying point for me. Also, the N900 is plenty fast in a single application, what gets it are poorly optimized background tasks that trigger a paging operation. Perhaps now that Nokia has pushed the greater OS out to a 3rd party, they can focus on those issues?

What files? Fragment? Before tossing around phrases like "fragmented" please add some context and explain what you're getting at.

It doesn't have a hard disk. The only thing that could possibly be fragmented is the swap partition, and being solid state memory fragmentation would have zero impact.

More RAM would solve the issue handily, but we can't exactly upgrade the N900. For sure, the next device will have more though.

No, but instead of idly ranting and complaining I was discussing in another thread of possible reasons this was happening. And, quite frankly, the iPhone 3Gs would hit the exact same problem if it weren't so restrictive in how applications were allowed to behave. So you can have perfect performance and zero freedom, or performance with slight snags and freedom to do pretty much anything.

Which trade off do you want to make?

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

I can just imagine the culture at Nokia HQ.. probably very similar to Nokia fanboys.

Engineer 1: We should put more RAM and a better CPU in the n9,we want to be more powerful than the iphone 4
Manager 1: you **F*C**! if you like apple so much, why don't you quit and join apple
Engineer 2: We should spend more time making the UI smooth and consistent across all packaged apps when released.
Manager 1: What makes you think our UI is clunky? You should not compare our UI to apple, Steve jobs is only fooling you into thinking the UI is smooth. I'm sure its really crap, I've never used or seen it.
VP 1: hey Engineer 1 and 2, you are both fired. You've been replaced by Junior engineer 1, he can't code for shot but he's a true Nokia Loyalist and knows when to keep his opinions to himself.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

Are we getting the Ivirus here already?

Like, omg new hardware comes out and its slightly better!

And the n8 is not a sucessor of the N900 by a mile. Maybe one of the N97 without hardware keyboard.

Meego has potential for sure but it has a long way to go to become a mainstream, fairly popular, reliable OS. We'll see how this turns out.

But for the time being, since 8 months or so, and even in the near future, I woulden't trade this device for anything else on the market. I really like my phone :)

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

Sure sure, freedom that cripple your device, one more thing freedom doesn't allowing you to do pretty much anything, you can't make your N900 fly to the moon, nor cooking for you, freedom that come at a very big trade off.

I personally bought the N900 because of the hardware spec + keyboard and LINUX. But all i see was Nokia promising this and that but later dropping it. I'm not trading off to anything at the moment. I'm still waiting for something that will WOW me in both hardware and software. MeeGo still got a long long long long long long way to go before so called successful. You've used MeeGo and so you can't say MeeGo will be the best OS. All we have seen is just demos and screenshot. Beside MeeGo 1.1 doesn't even run on the N900 without porting it. Yes the demo works on N900 but can you do anything on it? NO!

iPhone4 and Galaxy S has almost WOW me but not yet make me go WOW WOW I want that.. Like I did with the N900 before Nokia dropped its ball.

So please stop trying to defending Nokia unless you're working for them. Stop this useless argument and make love to your N900 while it is still working.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

The hardware is gravy because it changes every week. iOS and Android are feature complete, polished systems, Maemo never was and never will be.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

All I see is constant attacks and criticisms of Nokia, instead of simply leaving the topic alone. It's pushing out useful dialogue and has done a GREAT job of driving many long time users away.

I don't care about Nokia. But the constant, persistent bashing of them in (almost) EVERY topic (and attacking people who don't utterly hate Nokia or suggest that they enjoy using the N900, or don't bow before the obvious superiority to other hardware) does nothing to help these forums.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

This called users Opinion! If no one speaking of the truth then would Nokia ever going to changed? I did not bashing Nokia N900, I bashing NOKIA for lack of support, I don't utterly attacking people who doesn't hate Nokia at all either. I enjoyed using my N900 myself. Beside some people just like to bash other people when the they themself knew the truth about the fact that Nokia losing it's ball and N900 is not perfect. There isn't a device out there is perfect. Some people here like to hide within the BOX and attacking anyone who has any freedom of speech. That is what drives long term members and developer away from this forum, also Nokia lack of support pissed off many others. People don't just leave the forum because of the negative feed back, they left because of this forum is lack of agreement and resolution toward a basic human understanding. We all are in this together and we all have the right to make out own judgement and believe. So we got something to say of our own.

Your brain is not my brain.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

Well for reads the impact of seeking isn't that big (mostly command overhead I think). For writing the impact is gigantic though. The native erase block size is something like 128-256k, while the OS and MMU deal in units of 4k. When the OS issues a 4K write, the emmc will read 256k, modify 4k of that, and write it back. Slowdown is factor 64 or so, not counting command overhead from issuing many small requests instead of fewer big ones.

Of course swap fragmentation disappears with a reboot or swapoff/swapon cycle.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

anyway to tell me how to fix this god damn phone?
on screen keyboard doesn't work and music player pauses on its own.
i swear sometimes i feel like throwing the phone to the wall. but i always think of 679.99 $ :S

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

Why do you keep going on about "720p HD even from a 3mp camera."? A 720p image is less than 1mp.

Re: just saw the n9 and i really want too sell n900
 

I'm not getting screwed over by Nokia's (lack of) support for new ideas again. I'll wait for the 2nd Meego device if there'll ever be one...:D