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No disrespect to Quim, but he's no Anssi Vanjoki.

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I fear for MeeGo even before it's properly released. Just cross fingers that it doesn't meet the same fate as Maemo or even worse.

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The keynote tomorrow will be really freaky.

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Maybe so however, things change...

My mention of QG was more out of concern. I suspect his role will either get much bigger or much smaller. Either way a change...

A company culture change is not something most people within enjoy, especially those on remote assignment.

Folks tend to circle the wagons and want to stay close to where decisions are made when major changes come in hopes that they can pick up signs to help them predict their own future.

That last bit has just been my observation and experience in this life. It has also been my experience that in reality, getting closer to the core doesn't usually provide any more benefit than staying put. It just temporarily relieves the anxiety some feel.

This big roundish rock we are all on keeps on turnin'. :)


***

Pace yourself dude... Me thinks it is far from over. :D

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I don' think it's crazy at all. Start with my post here
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...571#post813571
and read he next few I posted in that thread if you want to know why I'm convinced it will happen.

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Oh no :(. I cant believe Anssi is leaving. This sucks!

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I don't want to hear such things!

lalalalalalalalala
*sticks head in sand*

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Precisely the reason why it would be good if they did hire you back into that type of position. Recognizing that you lack resources is a far better qualification for this job than someone who is convinced that they are fully qualified but fall short on recognizing when they actually needed better insight and resources.

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Read it. Don't buy it. Wayyy too conjectural, even for me.

Not gonna happen.

Ever hear of the Peter Principle?

I do appreciate your sentiment, but it's not my thing. I'm more artist than businessman by far. I know my limitations, too. Not gonna try to exceed them. I'd rather excel within the realm of practicality and enjoyment.

That said, I would love to return to Nokia in a capacity within my likes and abilities. I don't see it happening. Rumor has it the rapidly-shrinking Dallas office is soon to be gone, and a regime change can easily make that happen. And that will be that for me.

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Temping :) Intel MeeGo can run WoW smoother than my PC could :)

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I don't know who this Peter guy is, but I'm talking about you. ;)

Well, you know how cynical my views are on Nokia ever since they slipped up and fell off the Internet Tablet wagon just to go running into the iPhoney ME-TOO line of wagons. We're all worse off that someone like you isn't there, despite everything you had done. I, for one, am terribly thankful and wouldn't mind seeing that again, but you're probably right.

"Computers make very fast and accurate mistakes." Somehow this saying popped into my mind when I read what you said. Just saying.

BY THE BY, related to the topic:
http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/09/13/...e-nokia-world/

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He is leaving after 6 months from now. Do you think he'll be filling pampers next months?

He also spend a few years at Juniper. Didn't make RIM or Microsoft switch to Juniper.

Seriously, as soon as he leaves Microsoft and joins Nokia he left his Microsoft hat and put on his Nokia hat. He will do what is best in Nokia's interest; not Microsoft's.

For now, Windows Phone has yet to catch up with iOS and Android.

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:rolleyes: no way.

But there is some software available...

http://www.masterofwarcraft.net/2010...ile-phone.html
http://www.androlib.com/android.appl...-wow-zjCF.aspx
http://www.appbrain.com/app/org.mangler.android

My GM uses Mangler all the time on his Samsung Galaxy S.

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as long as i get a proper meego device i don't care if it's from intel or nokia.

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lol My PC is pretty crap if you ask me. I've seen the preview of the WoW running on it, it's pretty smooth.. it runs full desktop version WoW. I got to say it's quite powerful that Moorestown processor. But playing it won't get you more than 1hour and 20mins of battery time lol.

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Hmm, I don't know how good or bad your PC is.

If you mean running WoW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAB-Cqe0yz8 at 2 min? That isn't playing World of Warcraft. That is just playing some video from WoW. She could've shown an XViD and it was the same, but it doesn't sound as impressive.

Nothing like the real thing! Wake me up when there are videos of soloing, 5m party, BG, 10m raid, 25m raid. Preferably at decent settings.

Although your phone probably runs at a lower resolution than your PC controlling the game will also be a challenge, since I have to import all my settings from PC to MBP and then circumvent the fact I have only 1 or 2 mouse buttons. For phone or tablet will be even more complex.

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The Intel MeeGo device will have an Atom processor, and will require being shutdown (suspend-to-ram or such) to last all day without charging, just like my Fujitsu U820. It will also likely have a much worse screen and no better pocketability, and a moderate performance boost -- and I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's no keyboard, since everyone seems to think knocking off the iPad is the way to win. :rolleyes: If they really pull it together and making something that unambiguously beats my U820, I have no problem buying it, but at this point it seems far more likely that the GMA500 driver situation gets resolved and I just run MeeGo on the U820.

(The U820 is, in my eyes, very much the same sort of pinnacle in the UMPC/netbook arena that the N800 is in the non-phone tablet arena -- the competition's getting newer and faster, but somehow none of them can quite beat it all 'round. 3-4 years is an eternity, but the N800 is still hanging on, and I bet the U820 will as well.)

Nokia's device, OTOH, may be late and somewhat lacking in performance, but will definitely be pocketable, making it a plausible replacement for my N900. It will probably also not run all day (but it'll be "slim" :mad:), but at least the solution will be use it less (but not shut it down), and I'm betting (from N810 and N900) it will soon have an aftermarket double-capacity battery to fix that. Since (at least once the aftermarket battery comes out) this will be an unambiguous upgrade over the N900, it's reasonably likely I'll buy it at some point, unless someone else turns out a better MeeGo pocketable.

And AFAICT the only way this news affects the MeeGo-Harmattan device is a possible delay due to reorganization -- certainly it would seem odd if someone was going to buy a Nokia device, but a couple month delay would force them to choose a completely different form-factor even though they know the device they would have bought is still coming...

See, just because Nokia and Intel have realized how much common ground there is in the software that runs on phones/PDAs/(little)tablets and on netbooks/umpcs/(big)tablets doesn't mean that Nokia will suddenly become a netbook company (yeah, I know about the Booklet, and it has nothing to do with Nokia's MeeGo team), or Intel will become a phone company -- they've collaborated on the areas that make sense and remain entirely distinctive in the areas where they differ. As it happens, I am a customer in both markets, but not for the same device -- the only sense in which I would buy one device "instead" of the other is if I wanted both, but couldn't afford them.


Ok, that was quite a wall-o-text -- sorry guys....

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Despite having these things open source, they still pay for the developers who are creating these.
So, while it's nice that I (or anyone) can mess with the source if we wanted to, but they still own it.

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what the hell does he have on his face?

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A microphone.

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Who has told you it is going to have exactly the same Atom processor as your U820? There is more than one Atom, and new ones are constantly being developed.

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Clearly, the souls of a thousand pissed Nokia customers!

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I still am not getting why people are not getting this right.

There would be no change in what Nokia is doing currently. Symbian^3, Symbian^4, Qt, MeeGo,etc. They all would remain the way they have been planned.

Elop is hired with a hope that he could be a showman for Nokia.
I seriously doubt if he would have enough powers bestowed by the board to change anything significant. Nokia understands that North America is an important segment not only in terms of revenue but also in terms of global mind-share (yes, if you are in North America, only then you are considered global. Atleast that's what the majority of the press thinks).
And that's exactly why, we see Stephen Elop at the top.

Sure, you could have hired Elop into the board instead, but who the damn cares then!!

Anssi was a very good face for Nokia. But he is not a North American citizen. The board thought that a North American citizen was needed at the moment but Anssi probably felt it otherwise. That's where the difference's are and so he resigns. I respect Anssi here for sticking to his roots and style.

Also, as someone earlier said, I would be concerned only if there is any plan change to MeeGo, Qt. The 2 faces which this community wouldn't like to see go would definitely be Ari and Quim.

When a top leader leaves, it is always certain that he just doesn't leave alone.

So, lets all hope for the best. Tomorrow can't come any earlier!!

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No Atom processor available now or in the pipeline can match the power efficiency of an Arm-based one.

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anyone who hates how long ARM devices keep on hummin' with 1300mAh batteries...

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Agreed...

The more I'm feeling this the more I'm thinking based on Vanjoki's timing, he was acting somewhat in spite of the BOD...

I also doubt it was a result of being passed over. If that was truly his motivation he would have waited a month or so and made a quiet announcement. This all may have had more to do with the BOD deciding a North American face was what Nokia needs to compete at the market place.

The spite move was in the timing. Any positive movement in the price of NOK that the board may have hoped to gain by their announcement, Vanjoki's may have believed his move and timing would quash.

He controlled that game by conceding only half way into it and now a new game begins. The board may have gained nothing in the short term from their decision to sell Nokia's National pride so short.

But who here really knows? People at that level usually have stock options and generous severance packages. His timing could have just as easily been motivated by those terms and what was in his financial best interest.


EDIT: The following image is/was snatched from the excellent post below mine >> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=69 check out the full video...

EDIT: (by YoDude yet again)

The image was removed by me because apparently this guy believed that by posting it, it was somehow an indication of my character. :rolleyes:

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Is that... oh my God, is that EGG on his face? ALREADY?

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Anssi has a message at the end of the video. Definately worth seeing.


http://217.149.58.248/sharing/pictur....68857041.html

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this is for the people claiming meego was in trouble b/c of this weeks departures

posted on twitter by quim

Peter Skillman (of Palm fame) appointed VP, Head of MeeGo & Services UX Design at Nokia http://linkd.in/aeCISl

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oh, dear god, please let this man bring the Palm OS(not webos) PIM style to meego!

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Amen to that! I loved the old PalmOS and hated to see it wither away. The calendar was second to none. Palm Ux expert taking charge at Meego sounds almost too good to be true. Very nice move! :D

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I am sure his first decisions will be to remove the user-accessible file system from Meego devices and limit the application executable size to 64000 bytes =)

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64000 bytes should be enough for anyone!

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Hell, I'm really gonna miss Anssi! Epic description of Android manufacturers from an interview today in Finacial Times ((requires free registration):

"Mr Vanjoki agreed with suggestions that handset makers using Android could have low operating margins and claimed they were likely to enjoy only temporary relief with Google’s operating system. He compared the companies to Finnish boys who “pee in their pants” for warmth during the cold winter."

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I would read that to mean Motorola...

...and a very good observation. :)

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Pump 'n dump of stock. Not rare really. Typical American, don't look further than your nose is long ;)

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If I remember correctly, this was the reason why Symbian was started in the first place: to fight "PCization" of the phone market with Windows Mobile, in order to ensure that mobile phone manufacturers had an OS that they could control and have high margins on.

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http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/n...tware-follows/

hah, this is what people have been saying for so long. Nokia, the days of building a phone only are GONE. that was 10 years ago. people have moved on to services and applications.

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I can't believe people who are members of this forum can't read through the bull**it that that Engadget hit piece is spewing. I mean for f*cks sake! You could write a piece like that about any company and I mean ANY company. It's based completely on hearsay. How stories like that are treated as news is beyond me.