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johnel 2010-09-14 13:53
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 815813)
Well, apparently, despite all the Anssi worship around here, in 2007 he was intent on copying the iphone



http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/n...-no-seriously/

I guess maybe this was the n97 or something, but if his intent was really to copy iphone, he did not succeed.
That's like comparing this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...ne_109939t.jpg

with this:
http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/cup.jpg

radiowc 2010-09-14 14:01
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Well, so unfortunately the N900 didn't work the way you want it. I'm sure there are other phones (Android, IOS, Bada, etc) out there will meet your expectation.

Good luck.

Berserk 2010-09-14 14:04
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
I think one of the main problems is..

When a phone starts to function like a desktop PC, people complain that it doesn't function like their desktop PC completely.
Same with Maps, when it starts to function or look like TomTom, people complain that it's not completely the same as TomTom.

slender 2010-09-14 14:05
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnel (Post 815821)
Is that picture of iphone4 held in "wrong" way?

jonin60seconds 2010-09-14 14:09
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 815819)
That would be MeeGo's role. Maemo was constrained in many ways (one model, one manufacturer, small team), but MeeGo *SHOULD* bring all that stuff you miss from Maemo at the scale of (at least) Android, but without being limited to a single class of devices.



It's not really about proficiency - sometimes it's just the wrong phone. That's why I asked if you ever used Linux - as your points were roughly what I hear when a long-time Windows users get to work with Linux boxes. It didn't really matter how experienced they were in Windows - in fact, often that experience worked against them as they expected a thing to work in one way, when in fact it did in another (as texrat says different != wrong).



It's all a question of scale. I struck me for example when you said Android brought Samsung out of obscurity - even before Android Samsung sold *shiploads* of phones (smartphones even), and even now, the Android/Galaxy sales are just a minority part in their overall business. It's just that they were not aiming at the gadget/app people as the target audience, and that's why you never heard of them prior to experimenting with Android.

PS. One tiny remark - Maemo was born loong before iOS and Android - not as a response to them (the N800 was already out when the iPhone was released and the N810 was released waaay before the first Android). If anything, the shame is that THAT advantage (especially considering the newly-rediscovered-by-Apple tablet market) was not capitalized upon.
Yeah good points. And no I haven't used Linux in it's purest form. I have an uBuntu machine and use Firefox but thats as close as it gets! Maybe these are good examples to my point: Anyone can use an uBuntu machine and Firefox is very popular, especially amongst people who probably don't even know what Linux is. So Maemo should provide the seemless user experience for all level of users regardless of their Linux knowledge.

Yeah and I realise Maemo has been around for ages which kind of illustrates my point even further: The N800 etc never tried to be the world beating smartphone, it was the quirky half computer that the passionate Maemo could tinker around with. The rally racing car to use the car analogy. But then Nokia go ahead and release the N900 their Subaru WRX (or was it STi) which can beat an M3 so is therefore claiming it to be the same experience as an M3 but no-one wants it cause its still too much of a rally car (brilliantly built but there's no aircon and the seats are uncomfortable).

So if the N900 is still a rally car, then Nokia has no competitor in the top end of the smart phone market. The end that I like to be in and the end I was sold by the N900 marketing. And this is concerning for Nokia hence all the shuffling about!

johnel 2010-09-14 14:19
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slender (Post 815834)
Is that picture of iphone4 held in "wrong" way?
Yes it is.

The antenna is actually inserted into the owner's rectum and then you can say "iPhone users literally talk out their ar5es"

:)

twigleaf1976 2010-09-14 14:47
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Good article, shame it won't dent the 'geekdom' on these forums.

You do however like android and I chose Maemo because it wasn't linked to the worlds biggest data miner, google.

...But as Nokia did with PR 1.2 what Google do with Android and nick all your personal information... Welcome to the club.

So you may as well go with a working OS that is supported and growing, if you are going to have to sign over your life to the manufacturer of the OS just to use it, may as well go for a good one.

didymos 2010-09-14 14:52
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slender (Post 815820)
No. Wrong. Only way to measure if product has failed is to see it sales and feedback from device owners. Only one who sees these statistics is the seller itself. So you can only make vagues guesses how well something has succeed. And of course the problem itself is that how to measure and what is the scale itself.

If you try to make statement about failure then you need shitload of references and statistics from 3rd party sellers. Without those you are just yelling fool who can wear clown suit (like most of tech. bloggers and commentators in blogs, just bunch of fools who think that their opinion without arguments or references is worth something) :|

Only thing you can say is that device has failed FOR YOU. Big difference!
The difference is - and I think you missed my point - is that we should care. I think N900 is a great device. My wife, however, do not know how to use N900 (when she borrows mine). For her it is a disappointment and she is not going to change her mind if I tell her all the technicals specs. What I can do is to listen to her and try to make N900 more usable to her. And if not else, I should listen to her opinion when suggesting new phone to her. From the user point of view it is his or her experience which is relevant. And service providers and manufacturers need to listen these experiences otherwise it is hard to improve their products.

Even it would be developer or arrogant blogger; feedback is always important and worth of studying.

anthonie 2010-09-14 14:54
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonin60seconds (Post 815839)
Yeah good points. And no I haven't used Linux in it's purest form. I have an uBuntu machine and use Firefox but thats as close as it gets! Maybe these are good examples to my point: Anyone can use an uBuntu machine and Firefox is very popular, especially amongst people who probably don't even know what Linux is. So Maemo should provide the seemless user experience for all level of users regardless of their Linux knowledge.
There is a reason for Ubuntu' s popularity: The fact that it is so easy to use and install. However, that is the exception to the rule, not the other way around. I run Ubuntu as one of my three OS's, the other two being Gentoo and WinXP. Whenever friends or family have made up their mind and want to switch to a Linux flavor, I will install Ubuntu for them. Easy to install, easy to use and it's user interface is quite nice. I would never install Gentoo on someone's machine, as it is way too time-consuming to maintain and get those users to learn to maintain the machine. Maemo and Ubuntu are not comparable, in my opinion, in terms of being ready for end users out of the box.

Neither would I advice any non-techy to buy an n900.

johnel 2010-09-14 15:01
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Isn't the free market fun?

Android, iPhone, Windows Mobile, Blackberry, Symbian and maemo/ meego. You can decide want phone you want.

(In soviet russia the phone pick you)

BTW: Good luck jonin60seconds and I hope you enjoy your new phone.

:)

Texrat 2010-09-14 15:02
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
When I saw this thread I thought it was tied to a fatal NokiaWorld announcement. And here it's just another opinion piece.

Ayle 2010-09-14 15:10
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 815878)
When I saw this thread I thought it was tied to a fatal NokiaWorld announcement. And here it's just another opinion piece.
Speaking of that Nokia World keynote today, I am pretty excited about Symbian^3 :D and all those new devices

deimian86 2010-09-14 15:18
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
I think that the people don't know what are they buying when they bougth a N900. It's the best piece of hardware in the market :S

I had an iPhone 3GS and now have a N900 and the iPhone it's a toy compared whith the Nokia mobile computer.

Learn to use it before throw up **** in the forum all day.

stickymick 2010-09-14 15:20
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by didymos (Post 815867)
My wife, however, do not know how to use N900 (when she borrows mine). For her it is a disappointment and she is not going to change her mind if I tell her all the technicals specs.
Exactly.
Rather than admit that they don't have the aptitude to use the device, they go off on a stomp and say it's cr@p.

allnameswereout 2010-09-14 15:40
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 815791)
http://gerbick.com/images/popcorn.gif

I'm up to the task. Gerbick Poppenbacher to the rescue.
:D danke sehr!

Btw, in which regard did you embrace Android?

allnameswereout 2010-09-14 15:43
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by didymos (Post 815867)
[...] My wife, however, do not know how to use N900 (when she borrows mine). [...]
Ofcourse not. You probably modded your thing, and she hasn't read the manual.

jonin60seconds 2010-09-14 15:44
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonie (Post 815869)
There is a reason for Ubuntu' s popularity: The fact that it is so easy to use and install. However, that is the exception to the rule, not the other way around. I run Ubuntu as one of my three OS's, the other two being Gentoo and WinXP. Whenever friends or family have made up their mind and want to switch to a Linux flavor, I will install Ubuntu for them. Easy to install, easy to use and it's user interface is quite nice. I would never install Gentoo on someone's machine, as it is way too time-consuming to maintain and get those users to learn to maintain the machine. Maemo and Ubuntu are not comparable, in my opinion, in terms of being ready for end users out of the box.

Neither would I advice any non-techy to buy an n900.
Yeah which is why I am saying meamo needs to aspire to be the uBuntu of mobile OS if it wants to hit the mainstream which must be Nokia's ultimate goal. But too little too late I think

allnameswereout 2010-09-14 15:45
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnel (Post 815754)
[...]

My favourite app is Easy Debian - Linux is in my pocket and yes I probably am pleased to see you.

[...]
Right, Debian, as if that is fine tuned to run on an embedded device. I just use SSH client to easily get into Debian. But I've done that on S60 with PuTTy. too.

jonin60seconds 2010-09-14 15:46
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 815895)
Exactly.
Rather than admit that they don't have the aptitude to use the device, they go off on a stomp and say it's cr@p.
Or you can conversely say that the device has failed as a mainstream device as it requires a high level of technical aptitude to use it. Nokia were definitely going for mainstream with the N900

maluka 2010-09-14 16:07
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
OP should never have bought the N900. It has been wasted on him.

He should have bought the Android phone that came out at the time the N900 was released and seen how long that lasted.

Don't compare a device that came out a year ago with devices that came out last week!

pantera1989 2010-09-14 16:12
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Most of the users angry with the N900 because it doesn't work perfectly out of the box, or that Nokia support sucks: Serves you right!

Do some freakin research before buying a product. I spent a month researching the N900 before deciding to get it. And I knew that I'd have to get my hands dirty sometimes and that it will not get much support. And I love it.

This is from an article about Nokia World 2009. The N900 was never internded as a flagship and never intended for mainstream users. Nokia were surprised by the number of sales. Next time do some research. Meego devices are the ones intended for mainstream users. Nokia never pushed the N900 much, especially at first. The internet hyped it a lot because it was the first Nokia phone without mediocare CPU and RAM like the N97...

How many so ads of the N900. And how many heard about it on the internet? Esp pre Feb2010.

The article:
Quote:
September 5th, 2009 by Staska

Nokia N900 Maemo 5 handset was by far the most impressive device launched at Nokia World 09.

It has blown away anyone who was lucky enough to lay hands on it. I am not talking only about Nokia fanboys who are ready to praise anything the company makes. I include skeptics, who are ready to point out every single flaw they find.

Seriously. With about a hundred devices around, and available to every tech writer in place, try finding anyone bashing Nokia N900. And then compare that to the coverage Nokia N97 and N97 Mini got. See what I mean?

[Nokia N900 hands alt=]

This reception of Nokia N900, contrasts very sharply with the attitude displayed toward the device by every Nokia exec who was talking about it.

You would think that, having made such a superb device, they would be preaching from every corner and pulpit to make sure we notice.

Instead, Anssi Vanjoki has spent a whopping 3 minutes at the end of 62 minute opening keynote (including OPK presentation), talking about N900. Half of that time was spent talking about the beginnings of Maemo platform, Nokia 770 internet tablet, and how this is just step 4 in five step program (read: somewhat unfinished product)!

And it went downhill from there.

In the follow up interviews we heard how this is just a niche product, how they see an open channel (non-subsidized, non-operator) as the main for N900 sales, that Nokia won’t really push N900 to operators, how it is important to sell N900 to the right people (read: limited sales and promotion), etc; etc;

The impression I get from all of this is of, if not an outright dismissal of N900 as a flagship for Nokia, then extreme cautiousness, expectations management and downplaying the potential attractiveness of the device.

And I wonder why that is.

One of the reasons might be that they do not want to jeopardize the sales of Nokia N97/97 mini. And looking at the price and specs of N97/N900, the profit that Nokia makes on N900 might be lower.

But, c’mon, Nokia,is that a good enough reason to limit a great device, such as N900, to a niche tech geek toy category? Have those years in the trenches of uber niche Maemo development community, blinded you to what you accomplished with N900?

The level of interest and praising attention that Nokia N900 got, is almost impossible to replicate with a follow-up product. No matter how much better Maemo 6 device will be, when Nokia completes it’s five step program, it will be very hard for them to repeat the “WOW!” moment of N900′s arrival.

Could it be that Nokia was taken completely by surprise by the reception N900 got? And now, like that dear caught in the headlights. watches the oncoming demand freight train, unsure which way to move?
Source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2009/09/0...900-really-is/

Jack6428 2010-09-14 16:14
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
I've bothered to read it, but it's a rant. Not constructive criticism. I have the phone since Launch. I know. You don't. This wasn't a phone for you I guess. Just because you have problems doesn't mean everyone has them too.

ossipena 2010-09-14 16:49
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonin60seconds (Post 815794)
Nokia needs to build a new Android device if they want to compete in the smart phone market.
this needs few arguments more. It is now bit like I'd say to you:"stop blogging"

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonin60seconds (Post 815794)
Commercially (Nokia is in the business of seller lots of phones) it doesn't make sense to create a top spec smart phone for a niche audience.
so you didn't do your homework properly, you just have described very well the nature of every NIT including N900...

E:have you lived in a barrell for 3 months and just started reading tech news from april 2010? Ever heard about N8?

knownothing 2010-09-14 17:08
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
I think the poster is sort of impatient and donot know anthing of owning a phone. especially n900. This smartphone is not lost to any others phones..it is just old in design and it is its weak to others. Android..iphone..have many ..say millions apps ..however. how many apps you use as a usefull aaps for you when you own one of the two. i have many friend using iphone ..they actually installed only a few apps and some game. i owned a motorola droid and sold it at 180. yes, it has many apps but i just install a few. and many others are just stupid.
Nokia N900, yes cannot campare to these two about amount of apps, but all apps are made to feel people needs. it does have some crazy app..but i dont care..i dont use it anyway.

phones are only valuable and useful for someone as they know how to use to fulfill their needs. i used iphone, android ..but still loved Nokia 900..cause's it is the right phone for me.

some people feel frustrated with the phone because they trying to do something on the phone like hacking, install some unfully developed under tests. and when they failed ...stucked in the problems with the phone and hey ..lets say i cannot continue going with it anymore. ..then yell out load that N900 is suck and loser.

daperl 2010-09-14 17:42
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Momma always said, "If you don't have somethin' nice to say, then don't say nothin' at all."

I love my momma, but she can be naive sometimes, and she probably hasn't read this blog entry.

For me, blogging was suppose to be a little bit more than a personal diary. Either you have the gift or ability of insight or you don't. Coming on here and promoting such drivel is just more bottom feeding that we can do without.

To the author: I'm not sure blogging is for you. Maybe you should stick to just being one of the masses like the rest of us. Or try harder. Or something. Good luck!

kill_bill 2010-09-14 17:45
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Well said, I'm glad to have been able to get out of my Vodafone contract 12 months early so I can jump back to an iPhone

oneFinn 2010-09-14 18:00
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by edgedemon (Post 815801)
Yes I agree with this for anyone getting an n900 now, but back in Dec, how excited were we all? Google wouldn't have helped then..

Since Meego, there has been a lot of people put off developing for the n900 as it is even more of a niche device.
I like my n900 and the community has written some great apps for it, but I can't deny that I am looking at the selection and ease of synchronisation my missus gets with her HTC desire, plus some of the apps with envy...
The whole maps issue is a nightmare, I wouldn't mind if I could use google maps, but seeing turn by turn on cheap nokia's that cost a fraction of what I paid for my n900 does make me angry. mass market or not, it is their flagship device..
Edgedemon, I fully agree what you say.

When N900 was available to buy (just before Xmas 2009 here), it had functionality (on paper) that I was looking for:
- keyboard
- decent size display
- open, SSH applications for mobile, secure connections to office servers etc
- email with sync capabilities (not exchange in this case)
- Maps, I've used Maps on other Nokia phones (no voice guidance, for me not a big deal)
- good web browser
- web radio
- phone (not the best UI and contacts, but good enough)
- more 3. party apps in the future

so basically..dream machine.

All previews/reviews were praising Maemo OS and NONE of the marketing/ad was saying that N900 is not for ordinary user and will be shortly discontiued (one must be quite genious to figure that out from sentence "step 4 of 5", evolution doen not mean abandoning..).

So, roughly 6+ months later, who's gonna fix issues that you cannot "research" w/o having the gears first:

-most of settings in media viewer cannot be saved (re-select "show camera folder only" every time), cannot save defaults
- MicroB settings same thing, eg. reflow page as default, press Ctrl-Shift-I every time after launching it. No way to save this.
- Modest email is quite "modest", but a upgrade would be welcome
- web radio, no station list..
- Maemo Maps, king of crappy apps, Nokia should rename it so people wouldn't confuse it to Maps on other Nokia devices (no automatic re-route if you miss the route, no own POI's, search requires web connection, UI is horrifying etc...)

All this could be bearable if one would know that those issues (among others) would get fixed. But they won't. And community cannot do it either because those apps are Nokia's closed stuff.

In spite of all above, I'll continue using N900. But Nokia let us down with this..badly. What they did once now, they can do it again and guess who pays the show, we do.

Hopefully the community carries N900 on, I've a bunch of nice apps. Thanks to all developers.

ossipena 2010-09-14 18:14
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oneFinn (Post 816059)
All previews/reviews were praising Maemo OS and NONE of the marketing/ad was saying that N900 is not for ordinary user and will be shortly discontiued (one must be quite genious to figure that out from sentence "step 4 of 5", evolution doen not mean abandoning..).
that is why one should never do what previews/reviews/marketing/ads suggests....

gabby131 2010-09-14 18:27
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Nokia.....making members of the community argue.

Nokia: Disconnecting People

shockgiga 2010-09-14 18:43
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
im very happy with mine. the phone works, sms works, internet works, ui is lightning fast and can even be made even faster.

as for apps and games, what maemo has not, nitdroid has.

so what more can anyone ask for?

it is very true though that it is not intended for mainstream users. but i just love the endless tweaking. lol

philh 2010-09-14 18:53
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
I started to read your blog thing as I am open to any valid opinion. Sadly, I stumbled at the words "What app store?" at the beginning where I lost any interest in your creation.

allnameswereout 2010-09-14 18:55
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 816035)
[...]
To the author: I'm not sure blogging is for you. Maybe you should stick to just being one of the masses like the rest of us. Or try harder. Or something. Good luck!
Or stick to facebook.

IINexusII 2010-09-14 19:06
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
n900 was designed for us hackers and tinkerers. it was never designed for the normal guy. thats why it wasnt advertised so much here in london (compared to other nokia phones) so if you really didnt like it you should have got an iphone in the first place

altorn 2010-09-14 19:11
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
in just one day, this thread got 8 pages of replies to a "i'll-post-a-rant-and-wait-for-haters" thread. c'mon guys, why are you even replying here. (me too but im just saying)

N900 is a computer/smartphone for smart people, if a person doesn't see anything about this, then he'd better stick to dumbphones like iPhone 4G or Samsung Galaxy S. Seriously, you'd have fun if you're a geek, but if you're not, you're one of those drones who worship mainstream bulls*** that other companies produce.

shockgiga 2010-09-14 19:11
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
partly kidding, but, have you tried applying to write phone articles for gizmodo? LOL

they just hate nokia there.

allnameswereout 2010-09-14 19:13
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shockgiga (Post 816123)
partly kidding, but, have you tried applying to write phone articles for gizmodo? LOL

they just hate nokia there.
Seems Apple doesn't like them anymore though </3

optimistprime 2010-09-14 19:22
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Watching these goodbye threads get bigger and bigger, is like watching Kirstie Allie's waist size increase over a season of "Fat Actress". Its unbearable....but damn, she was hot once, on "Cheers".

slender 2010-09-14 19:48
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oneFinn (Post 816059)
So, roughly 6+ months later, who's gonna fix issues that you cannot "research" w/o having the gears first:

-most of settings in media viewer cannot be saved (re-select "show camera folder only" every time), cannot save defaults
Nice to have enhancement for me. Not critical. Would probably vote but still not big thing for ME.
Quote:
- MicroB settings same thing, eg. reflow page as default, press Ctrl-Shift-I every time after launching it. No way to save this.
Nice to have enhancement for me. Not critical. Would probably vote but still not big thing for ME. We can also talk about how this kind of hacking from users side fcks up web developement. Remember what web developers had to do to make webpages IE6 compatible? Maybe bit wrong comparison, but web pages should be provided as they are and they should be fitted by web developers themselves and not by browser maker. In large scale browser makers are responsible for their action that first were "cool" ideas. FYI check how Opera behaves on different webpages...sadly it fails still too often because well it uses standards :O

Quote:
- Modest email is quite "modest", but a upgrade would be welcome
Hopefully upgrade is coming in next PR. Looks like at least tinymail is updated (read bugzilla). But still it´s hmmm well Modest :| Actually I would like to remove modest completely from background taking my memory.

Quote:
- web radio, no station list..
Use 3rd party apps :|

Quote:
- Maemo Maps, king of crappy apps, Nokia should rename it so people wouldn't confuse it to Maps on other Nokia devices (no automatic re-route if you miss the route, no own POI's, search requires web connection, UI is horrifying etc...)
Hmm. For routing it´s pretty much useless, but for other purposes it works. Still I´m amazed how well cloud gps works. That kind of fluidity I would expect from Nokias apps.

Quote:
All this could be bearable if one would know that those issues (among others) would get fixed. But they won't. And community cannot do it either because those apps are Nokia's closed stuff.
True that some of issues you have listed wont get fixed and community can´t fixes official programs because some of them are more or less closed. IMO they are afraid to show how crappy coding they are doing :)

Still I would say that enhancements/bugs you listed are modest. There seems to bad performance bugs that seem to be hardly reproducable and device seems to work flawlessly until you install 3rd party stuff on it. Reading on Nokia employees comments just reveal that they think that user and also maemo.org extras testing team is fully responsible of installing stuff that makes device slow down. To some extent I agree with this, but well, just look what kind of threads just keep on coming here. People have performance issues and they do not care what they installl but all they blame is Nokia :|

RFS-81 2010-09-14 19:57
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@OP:
Looking at your blog, everything you seem to value in a phone was available in other phones at the time you purchased the N900.
It was also well known they are not available for the N900 (Android, 60k apps, eh?).

Yea, it was a dream, but man!

diimaan 2010-09-14 20:01
Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 
well well my dear op...

I agree with some of your points on n900 being poor cousin and all...
but android? you gotta be kidding me...

it took two and a half years for them to implement a basic upload function in their os... for any internet savvy user this is a basic thing... you can't do this till froyo...

and android has the worst ever copy paste functionality implemented across the os. its not even fully functional in browser and you can only copy text... there's no select all option or no visible marker on screen.
then how the hell I supposed to copy a text? above all it won't auto scroll to keep selecting, you can only select the text visible in the screen... is it a joke or what?

these are just examples of some shortcomings in android... there are lot more...

and coming to android market!
which is full of lame and junk apps (free)
you can count the no of useful apps in market....

I don't understand one thing... what's there in boasting I got one million app?
are you going to install all those million apps in your mobile or what?

I agree that n900 is not a perfect device...
but while comparing with other os or platform, please comment after your experience or do your homework and read all about it...

speaking of experience, I own a nexus one and xperia X10... and of course n900 too...

I wish nokia could have shown more love to this baby... *sigh*


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