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Ah... so you started the rumor then?. :eek:
j/k

Maybe you should explain it to that other dudes buddy who works for someone, who knows something about hush, hush meetings or somesuch. Maybe Nokia and M/S were just discussing your post. :D

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Clearly a slow news day. Children given the opportunity to write "tech journalism".

5/10 years ago you rarely got this speculative popular tech news. Only the dedicated fans of smartphones/tablets bothered reading/writing articles which dealt with future mergers, take overs, adaptions etc. And today everyone and their grandmother is writing to get view counts on their sites.

I call ban on reposting anything crap on this site.

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Lol. That might be worth another in-depth review at some hardcore techies website. Thnx for the laugh dude. Made this thread useful in at least one way...

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Even if that's true, WP7 seems promising and i'd definitely try it out once a decent device gets released. After all, the Xboxlive games on it look really fun.


And also, Nokia getting WP7 will NEVER happen. They might as well abandon Meego right now, or Symbian3.

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The fact that you guys are putting a bit of thought behind this one... sorta scares me. Not because it might happen, but because some of you are making some real good arguments on both sides of the fence.

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And you're still pissing in the wind. :p

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Nokia doesn't have loyalties. They're company and the openly admitted prime directive or any company is make money.

If they want W7, they get W7. I see no problem here. Not in implementation (hardware is pretty standard), not in conflict of interests (multiple OSs run now just fine, one more won't matter).

Don't know if it will happen or not, but I certainly see little problem. In fact, since Windows has little allegiance to one line of products (there's a truck full of stuff running Win), if anything it's more likely for Windows to become an option on many future products. IMO, that's what other OSs strive for, Meego and Android included.

Right now the strict associations hurt both manufacturers and developers. I can't think of an instance where having the option to switch from Linux to Windows would hurt sales.

There's a reason PC/laptops do so well. 90% of everything works with 99% of everything.

Frankly, I'm not entirely sure why N900 doesn't run a CE as an option already.

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I can't believe this much comments can exist over speculations.

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They have a loyalty to themselves.

Exactly.

Of course there are no technical difficulties, but just the question of why?

Note that the OSs that Nokia uses right now are "controlled" by them. They are not subject to the whims of any other company.

Er, just because MS wants to pollute everything with Windows, doesn't mean Nokia wants the same.

People who use Linux tends to know what they want, and most times it is not Windows.

Because it would probably require 2 times the hardware specs to achieve a similar performance as maemo (and probably 3 times the hardware specs to achieve a similar performance to Symbian). Never mind the crashes, lockups, resets.

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People actually take the annual Nokia will start using WIndows Mobile rumours seriously? Same pointless rumour every year. Nokia isn't even using Android, for reason widely discussed on TMO. From Nokia's point of view, Adopting WM7 would have all the same negative aspects as Android.

And as a bonus, unlike Android, Nokia would actually have to pay MS for it.

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What a garbage article LMAO! And why WP7 and not Android? Article is pure troll, and Nokia has said they disagree. This is just made to generate pageviews to generate ad revenue. Nothing to see here, move along, and vote 1 star. Kthxbye.

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As I mentioned earlier in this thread, there seems to be some people - mainly from north-america (but not only from NA) - that seems to have an incentive in a form of revenues, to pile and post this sort of garbage rumors about Nokia on the internet...

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WRONG. Come on guys, face the facts. Nokia will never be forced to the point that they'll have to use Android or WM or any other OS, "UNLESS" theirs fail miserably to the point that they just fully give up and abandon it.

That's what happened to Sony Ericsson with their UIQ3. It died eventually and i was one of the last remaining users that stayed with the scene (i was a major contributor at that time with all the tweaks and hacks) and eventually it died and became open source to symbian. After that, Sony Ericsson started using Windows Mobile as their OS, like the xPeria series for example.

Nokia however, has never had one phone that uses a different OS other than their own proprietary Symbian and Maemo. So unless Symbian fully dies, or that Maemo fully dies OR that the upcoming Meego fully dies, Nokia won't simply switch to another mobile OS. There's just no point, and it's logical and makes sense.

Right now, Meego isn't even released. It'll be far too long to even dream of having WP7 on a Nokia device.


In fact, let's put it this way. If Nokia wanted to use a different OS on their device, even if just to try it out on at least "one" device, they would've done so years ago. Look at Maemo, it went through all those different versions & revisions, up to Maemo 5 now. Just so that Nokia now abandons it and switch to Meego, which is almost completely different. Nokia could've tried out Android on their devices, but they didn't.


Also, most people will have to agree with me on this. Nokia isn't what it used to be years ago. The company still thinks they can maintain the market like they did years ago, they're wrong. Look what's dominating on the market, now look back at them. They're stubborn, and would've changed and continue to become more innovative like they had, now it's hard to believe in them and no matter how many fanboys there r, u have to admit that people just lost faith in it and dropped out.

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Because having the option helps, as posted. Because of adding another app base and developer base. Because some really good stuff only works on Windows. I already had this discussion in another thread. For example, iGo.

I see. I'm sorry, for a moment there I thought this was an actual discussion. There is little point in a dialogue with someone who considers competition to be pollution.

I see. Well, then, I guess people not using Linux tend to not know what they want. Hey, let's throw an ad hominem in there, who'll notice?

I see.

I'll be sure to tell my 3D navigation system to stop being so darn reliable, I haven't rebooted in about two years, since purchase.

I'll also make sure to tell it to start stuttering the sound, because with a 400MHz ARM it is not allowed to run better than a 900 MHz Linux.

Oh, and, remind me to break the Bluetooth software so it stops supporting remote contacts.

Oh, and, enough of that sily correct maps, fast routing, favourites, POI and that damn annoyance of not sucking money out of my pocket every time I search.

What a horrendous choice. I can't imagine anyone wanting to run THAT.

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How did it help Sony Ericsson, Samsung? They sure didn't depend on their Win phones for their profits. Maybe the only company to have benefited from Win phones is HTC, and that's probably only because they receive "marketing funds" from MS.

What MS wants does not mean others would give is what I'm saying.

I don't know how you came up with such twisted logic, but if it makes you happy then fine by me :)

Lucky you. My Asus 730W crashes up to several times a day. And rarely goes for more than 2-4 days without crashing.

These are apps issue and are not directly related to OS.

HTC, Samsung, Sony Ericsson all make Windows phones - don't know for how long though - so get one whilst you can :)

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I'm off topic here, but I want to help.

a) Get it fixed?

b) If you mean a730W, it's a 2003 system on a 2004 device. That was over 7 years ago. Is that what you base your Windows experience on?

You cast an error prone system as the inability of a giant corporation to write code? I see.

Anyway, let us try some logic.

* It was definitely not doing that when they sold it, otherwise it would have been returned and melted for scrap.

* The quality of code doesn't diminish with time. Hardware stability and performance does.

Add those together and it's pretty clear to me you have a hardware problem.

I have a LOOX 720 that comes with the same 2003SE Windows which a friend of mine uses as a navigation with BT GPS.

It has zero crashes when I handle it. When used as a navi, it heats up and, after a few temperature alarms, shuts down. The hardware was never meant to be used extensively for hours in the sun.

Not a software fault. So, bottom line is, get it fixed.

Oh, and, I hear there's a "new" flash image available, from 2005 or so?

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Donate it to "will it blend?"?.

What little faith I had in MS being able to produce decent products had all gone by around the Win3.1 era. Write code is not the same thing as write good code.

It was definitely doing anything when I bought it since it was still inside its box. And if defective products are melted for scrap and not sold then we would have whole heaps of molten MS install media all over the world and extra tonnes of toxic gases circulating the atmosphere.

Clearly MS missed that memo.

Probably the same hardware problem whereby a computer running Linux will do so happily for weeks on end, whereas the same computer running Windows will get a BSOD if you so much as sneeze too hard.

I have long stopped using it and got a Zaurus to replace it. And the best way to fix it would probably be this: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/MyPal730

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Any news on Windows phone 7 and Nokia?
Computer world
Engadget

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It's the kind of love that 2 girls and 1 cup would probably share.

Nokia would make a nice cup.

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If they go WP7 then this plan has been long ago. Maybe thats why Jaaksi leaved the ship? who nows...

I havent followed the webOS progress but if Nokia goes WP7 meego is for sure doomed. I mean yes Intel is releasing a prototype meego handset but dont forget that Intel also releasing Android and WP7 so why bother with meego if nokia leaves...

So maybve its time take a look att this OS:

http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2011/02/getting-ready.html

Maybe Jaaksi will open up the os a bit more....

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popcornnnnn

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Problem with that approach is how long would Microsoft accept that solution? My guess is that it ends with more and more WP phones for Nokia and at the en Meego/S^3 gets dished.

Another approach that could me likely too is that Nokia decides to go WP7 on E-series. My guess is that bussiness people prefer "windows apps".

But also this scares me a bit.. I have never seen Microsoft corperate any long with other companys they are. Most the times they just intrested to kill other bussines and ripoff stuff. IBM + Microsoft WarpOS ended with Win95 and so on...

Worst case in some years would be Microsoft buys Nokia == kills QT or closed source it == kills Linux...


Just my....

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that was september 2010 totally different board that time...

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Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. By no means I am happy about this, Im actually blown. I just hope we get at least one meego phone a year, Id be ok.

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Well, I'm mot the told you so kind of guy. But I tell you, reading back the posts in multiple WP7 threads is the most entertaining thing I've done all week. And it's Saturday.

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Just reading through this thread and this amused me. Never say never!!

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This will not work: once license granted, you can't revoke it just because you've changed your mind. Sure you can close future version (as long as nobody else committed or if they all agreed to transfer copyright to you so you can change licensing at all). However there is nothing will prevent me, you and anyone else from getting previous version under previous license. Simple, huh? :D

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P.S. imho, Nokia + WP7 = EPIC FAIL :)

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Nokia + WP7 = drowning person + straw

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I think for Meego and open source software the annoucement of Nokia partnering exclusively with Microsoft spells bad things. For Nokia and their earnings.... I think Elop is right. They will bring the sinking ship back, at the cost of loyal customers, which will be more than made up for by the troves of people who don't even know Nokia currently exists.

I look forward to seeing the phones they produce, and look forward to WP7 maturing as a platform. Why? Becuase iOS and Andriod need competition, and no other platform has the money or dedication to make it happen. Intel seems to be continuing Meego, but for how long?

Nokia wields enough power to really make it a 3 man race. No other company could do that. This was from a business perspective a very well formed plan. From the side of innovation and open source thinking, it was a stab in the back.

Yet I think given time, and the fruit of this announcement, we could all possibly change our tune.

One thing is for sure. If you really want to support open-source like mindedness, when Nokia and Intel release Meego products, BUY THEM! Otherwise it will fade just like Maemo 5. (Which in my opinion was one of Nokia's biggest mistakes, they had a good thing with Maemo 5)

2d

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This is future...

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Er, that article dates from the beginning of last year, when people were still speculating if WM7 was going to be based on WinCE or not.

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I own an N900 and it's IN MY OPINION better than other major OS currently avaiable because it's powerful and respct the customer choice.
On the other hand I understand most of people just want some fancy phone can do lots of things even if not everything useful, or people like who buys smartphone because it's nice but can't do anything more than a call with it.
Maemo/Meego IN MY OPINION can do lots of things but only if you can understand that.

By the way I'm here just to tell Nokia that I'm going to support them as long as they will continue developing open-source platforms or at least user respectful OS (root privileges by default) otherwise what makes difference between Nokia and others brand. The hardware you may say, not enought for me anyway until I can't do what I want!

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So... Microsoft is going to stay with this WP7? If that is true I will buy another N900 :D

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Agreed, with one exception. If they flee they are not loyal customers, now are they?

Loyalty isn't about "I looked around, chose the best". That's shopping. Loyalty is buying Nokia even through hard times because you like the logo, the design and the unique finesse Nokia puts on their phones.

IMO, those are gone. They have no unique features any more, since design is standardised into slabs and software is OS based (and the ones original from Nokia suc), hardware is made by TI and Intel, case is stamped by some Chinese somewhere.

The perfume that surrounded Nokia a few years ago, the faint aroma of just the right mix of power and beauty is gone. Will I buy a Nokia from now on? Don't know, they make good hardware and IF they start innovating design and pushing hardware I will. I bought Firmware, Symbian, S3, S4 and Maemo. So they go WP. Point?

Just because all my phones have been Nokias means nothing. If it sinks, I jump. The definition of loyal means no ship jumping. So, you can't get rid of loyals. If you do they aren't loyal, now are they?

Nokia is pushing away geeks that were attracted to the smell of free software and X terminal. This is the NXXX line, not Nokia. Nokia is way, way bigger and it makes phones, 99 percent of their output are phones. Not Internet Tablets, not Linux boxes.