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I have not found the last release of Meego 1.1 vidéo. I have just found old version of Meego 1.1.

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Just for people who have forgotten:

release candidate means "this MIGHT be the candidate we are releasing as a final. We need some testing to make sure."

Anyone who uses it in another sense is flying in the face of what words mean.

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MeeGo has a fixed release schedule. What's ready when release time rolls around ships. This isn't a "when it's done" project.

Also, the main MeeGo project isn't focused on polished products for end users. MeeGo's target users are hardware companies who pick up whatever patch levels of MeeGo components they'd like to support, add what hardware drivers they need, layer their differentiating applications and UI tweaks on top, and sell that package to end users.

Nokia's first "MeeGo" device will be running Maemo 6 with a new name and a few bits added on for MeeGo compatibility. True MeeGo has time to firm up before Nokia uses it as the basis of the software for one of their phones.

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Do you know this? or are you speculating? If this is true, then the N9 (the first MeeGo device presumably) makes no sense at all. MeeGo makes no sense, and Maemo makes no sense. Makes no sense to me at least. This means that MeeGo is not one year, but two years into the future. With the E7 coming, this makes even less sense. Not even Nokia is so stupid they have to make a handfull of devices just to make it work on Linux.

Who, after the N900 episode, will be crazy enough to get a N9 if it is not even running MeeGo?

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There is no real difference between Maemo and MeeGo, besides the name and community politics/licensing.

Thus your complaint makes no sense.

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oh come on... you could know if you only wanted to. This has been explained over and over again.

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Since the time of the Moblin-Maemo merger announcement, Nokia has been plainly stating that they are continuing to build Harmattan for their next Maemo MeeGo device. Rather than being fully MeeGo, they've said that Harmattan will be an "instance of MeeGo", a transitional release. For that reason, MeeGo-Harmattan (or MeeGo 1.0 N, if you prefer) still uses DEBs rather than RPMs, etc.

While following the convoluted naming scheme can be troublesome, it sounds as though you're throwing up your hands at more than that. What other frustrations do you see?

How does the E7 enter into it?

Oh, it will say MeeGo on the box, though there will be some sort of distinguishing mark attached. The latest trend by Nokia has been to use an "N", as in "MeeGo 1.0 N", though it remains to be seen if that will the be final, official choice.

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Christ :eek: So it is like this:

->OS2008 - Exclusively Internet tablet OS
Maemo5 - Exclusively N900
Maemo6 - Does not officially exist, but will be used on the next MeeGo device.
MeeGo - Will not be used on anything, but application development will be compatible with Symbian, and Maemo6 (that does not exist) and also with Maemo5.

MeeGo will be supportet on the N900, but not officially. Mostly because Nokia is developing Maemo6 (that will never exist) for the new MeeGo device.

One question still remains; will the new MeeGo device (N9 presumably) ever run MeeGo? Will anything ever run MeeGo.

Maybe I have been sleeping in class, but the facts still remains, MeeGo on the N900 is far far from being in any sort of usable state. But more importantly, why should it ever be in a usable state? When there is no difference between Maemo5, Maemo6 (that does not exist) and MeeGo (that never will exist) from an aplication developer point of view, wouldnt it be better to use those recources to develop Maemo further also for the N900, to keep the N900 alive so that lots of apps (compatible with Symbian, MeeGo and Maemo6) later on can be recompiled for those platforms?

I mean, come on, this is a mess! a terrible mess, an unbelievable mess. No sense of direction, no focus. This simply does not make sense - period.

Symbian, on the other hand, is finally on the right path. It started with S60.5 and continues slowly but steadily evolving into the future.

The E7 is Nokias new "comunicator", the new flagship. This can only mean that the N9 is something different, or that it will be very late.

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MeeGo proper is never going to be finished, as it is supposed to serve as a basis from which forks are made for specific purposes.

An application developer only needs to think Qt. That's all.

No, I think you simply don't understand it and are panicking.

Oddly enough, for Symbian application developers only need to think Qt as well. Which is good, because I never heard good things about Symbian development.

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Facepalm. How much more organized and transparent can it get? Note that this is only one of several useful pages at meego.com.

http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1

Also, check out this link from the wiki here at maemo.org that has been up since the beginning of the year IIRC.

http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re...or_my_N900_.3F

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To quote Quim Gil
"This would be way clearer if they didn't rebrand it as MeeGo yet, but they wanted to get the marketing behind that brand already. You can think of Harmattan as half MeeGo. The next release after Harmattan will be Nokia's first full MeeGo. "
Pretty clear to me.

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Can we get up some kind of a list between the differences between tjhe three "OS:es" so we dont get million threads about this:)

Differences between Maemo5 and Nokias "branded Meego(Harmattan)" (as far as we know atleast):

* QT instead of GTK+ as "desktop UI"
* QT (Console) in top of GLIB as backend daemons etc...
* MeegoTouch UI framework in top of QT core
* Hopefully a QT based FULLY working OviMaps (same as N8 but we cant be sure but hope...)

Similar to Maemo5:

* Still linux kernel
* still debian package manager
* Frameworks: QT Mobility that probadly will be fully supported in upcoming 1.3 of Maemo5 (very strongly atleast)
* QT4.7 (atleast in extras-devel)
* alot of backend daemons still the same. Some rewritted in QT.
* GStreamer multimedia backend?`(not sure about this can someone confirm?)
* Possibility to develop apps in Python
* QML development via QTCreator
* C/C++ support via QTCreator
* And i think, but I am not sure, that MeegoTouch framework will be possible to backport to Maemo5 (I base this on the facts that we already have MeegoTouch widgets gallery demo in extras-devel :)

Differences between core Meego and Nokias branded Meego(Harmattan):

* Some closed apps, drivers and adobe flash etc..
* Hopefully cooler UI than core Meego UI
* Debian package manager instead of RPM

As we can see in above list there is not that much differences between Maemo5 and Meego/Harmattan the difference will be even less for endusers. And in the case of Meego/Harmattan I could understand Nokia in that case it takes time to port from RPM to DEB as an example... Also we will never see a fully open sourced HW based product. There will always bee closed components and without them Meego is ripdead project. (I base this facts on that I have NEVER seen a pfully working product based on fully open sourced drivers etc... and endusers does want Flash/DRM and so on..). BUT hopefully Meego atleast will be more open than android... and with a good development framework like QT and QML Nokia hoppefully soon back in bussiness IF nokia release a Meego product ASAP.

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To all those who think all this Maemo/MeeGo/Harmattan stuff is a mess or stupid or whatnot:

At the moment, the N900 has the closest to a regular GNU/Linux distro on a phone, That means that it's the phone that is the most like my desktop and laptop and server computers. I like that.

Android isn't like that. Android has some java-ish layer on top of the linux kernel making it technically a "Linux phone", but not in the broader sense the word Linux is used (meaning the whole OS, GNU/Linux+X+whatnot).

I also like the Free software thing, the social movement of ensuring freedom for computer users around the world.

For these reasons, the N900 is currently the best phone in existence and it is likely that the N9 will be the best for the same reasons when it comes out.

Obviously, if you don't care about the idea of freedom as much, some other phone may be the best from your perspective.

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will half meego be possible to update to full meego or are nokia do the wedontsupportupdate again? we will see. Step 1 of 2 in meego evolution :).

Hope Quim or somebody from nokia comment on this before star selling N9.

looking forward to the first release of half meego :)

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Welcome back tracker, arch-enemy of mine and every other user interested in usability instead of over-engineering :D

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Tracker's my #4 arch-enemy. #1 is Scratchbox. #2 is fennec-qt and #3 is myself.

:P

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MeeGo, for netbooks at least, is 100% open source. I have asked a direct question, and I got a direct answer to that question. The MeeGo team will not release any software that is not open source, no blobs allowed anywhere.

This would also mean that the MeeGo team will not release software for the N900 that is not 100% open source? I don't know if this really is the case, but it would be a natural assumption. The MeeGo team releases MeeGo, not Nokia. Therefore, the MeeGo on the N900 will never be in a usable state. To get it in a usable state will be "up to the community", as explained by Nokia.

Nokias software, Harmattan/Maemo6 or whatever it will be called, can of course be released with as many blobs necessary to make it work. But the situation is that Harmattan will not be based on MeeGo, it will be based on Maemo, but with a MeeGo friendly UX. The N9 will run Maemo.

If it is so much easier for Nokia to use Maemo instead of MeeGo on the N9, then why shouldn't it be the same for the N900. The N900 already runs Maemo. What benefits will MeeGo give, that Maemo does not? None, according to Nokia. Why would Nokia release drivers (binary blobs) that also work with the MeeGo kernel? I bet they wont. Why should they? they have Maemo after all.

Who cares anyway, the N900 is old and Nokia use Qt (as if we didn't have Qt since long before Nokia acquired it). In effect Nokias "MeeGo" is only the UX based on Qt. To me the whole MeeGo operation looks more like a maneuver to differentiate the open source activity (MeeGo kernel) and the commercial activity (Maemo kernel) in which future "MeeGo" nokia devices will be based. Or it is a complete mess.

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They already have.

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Well, your information is wrong as Netbook actually comes with funny bits like Flash and Chrome..

The general policy in this area is simple: The MeeGo platform must not depend on closed binaries and must be open source. Images (as in the things you install to devices) can pull in closed bits from a non-oss repository. These licenses must be fair (no royalties, etc) and blobs must be redistributable. This means you can for example add codecs or 3d accelerator libraries, etc.

We do this in MeeGo for N900 for the following bits:

TI OMAP3 SGX drivers (3d acceleration)
BME (battery management) + libcal (access to CAL area)
WL1251 (wifi firmware) and bluetooth firmware
(and cos of a technical problem, Xorg driver as well. It's open source.)

And we try to keep our blobs to a minimum. They're a terrible bother to deal with.

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Video time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U

(Thanks to Stskeeps for updated graphics drivers, which make the UI faster..)

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All I can say is WOW!

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Don't know how they got Flash in there as open source, but is has Chromium not Chrome. Chromium is the non-spyware open source version of Chrome if I'm not mistaken.

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yes it's fast ... thanks! i like Meego, all applications works or not?

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If I'm not mistaken.. there is actually two releases. One with Chromium, One with Chrome that requires you to accept a EULA and stuff before downloading.

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You are right. This makes it more irritating. Google is OK with an Eula that is so anti open source as it is possible to be, but Broadcom drivers necessary to make wifi work is not. The Broadcom license explicitly allow redistribution, Google explicitly does not. Besides, why include Chrome when there is Chromium?

http://forum.meego.com/showthread.ph...ht=open+source

http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=5752&postcount=12

I read somewhere else on that forum that the best solution to all wifi-problems is to get an Intel wifi card :)

More mess :D

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looking very good thanks for the video

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That looks much smoother than all the other videos I've seen. There does seem to be a small problem with it not recognising "clicks", e.g. when trying to launch apps by clicking on them it seems to start dragging instead.

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The N900 will do that today on Maemo 5, so it's probably an artifact of the resistive screen and nothing specifically with MeeGo.

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There's a problem with MeeGo's touchscreen. There is a bug for it but I don't know the link. It has absolutely nothing to do with the screen.

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You sure? I have that sort of thing happen all the time on my N900 today.

I'm curious as to which bug this is.

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http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4985

Think that may be it.

I have the problem on MeeGo but don't have it on my Axim X50V or 02 XDA IIS.

In my experience, it's only an issue with MeeGo.

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Maybe your n900 screen & maemo but not mine. Calibrate and if that doesn´t help reflash and try again and if you are able to reproduce issue with factory default device then write bug report.

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Anyone see screen tearing in portrait mode?

I DON'T :D

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I am almost positive that the occasional unresponsive screen issues are a symptom of the software, not hardware. It seems that when the CPU/RAM is maxed out the screen can become unresponsive. I have this issue when I load a page in MicroB with alot of content (esp Flash-based) such as engadget.com. Also hildon-desktop seems to suffer when the device is performing i/o intensive activities. Just my $.02

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I'll watch the video again, and see if it matches what I've seen on mine. It certainly looked familiar to what I've seen across multiple reflashes, but might not be the same.

Which is pointless, really, since even if it was a bug it'd just be marked as WONTFIX and likely won't be seen at all on the next hardware revision with a capacitive screen. ;)

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Sherlock I presume? You are saying that for example if you run apt-get update in background and do something in foreground it is sluggish? I wonder :) I have never ever used OS that behaves fluently under pressure and still multi-tasks properly. Although we are starting to see HW that is capable of doing some heavy duty (4 gigabytes of ram and SSDs in raid and 64-bit OS with core 2 or more processors).

Yes when CPU maxes UI becomes unresponsive. Not good thing and one of things that should be avoided of course but to me it´s have been like that for last 18 years what I have used different computers and OSes. Some linux distributions are quite good but still they normally need pretty good processor, much ram and probably some tweaking (Brainfck kernel etc.) when we are speaking about UI responsiveness.

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Hmm. Just came my mind that if you have scheduled apt-get running in background (in default mode IIRC it´s between 24h intervals) then I believe you but on the other hand is´t just because of low powered cpu, low ram and well linux kernel giving cpu time as it is optimized to give it.

I do not believe that this has anything to do with capacitive vs. resistive.

btw. if you use stylus you have to be very careful when clicking stuff because you have to exactly point point you are clicking. When using your finger you can just click on bigger area. I find finger clicking much faster when clicking links while zoomed out..

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WTF ! Nokia needs to get off its *ss and start delivering actual end user software ! None of this, "its a platform" BS !

Android and Apple are kicking their butts and Symbian is DEAD. Nobody wants it anymore . (Save the speech for the Symbian crowd, OK)

re: video: Its nice to see something working. What I see there looks pretty nice.

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Panic! Anger!

No, MeeGo is a platform. Nokia will use it directly once it's ready to be fully adapted to hardware. You won't see any of that. What you see here is the open source project that owes you nothing.

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To not frustrate you even further, I would advise you to not wait for an usable MeeGo OS for atleast an year more. Your required eye candy would only be ready then. And w.r.t. features and support, they would be there even sooner.

Btw, why does everyone talk as if the mobile world is going to end any soon. Mobile devices are not going anywhere and they are here to stay. It's better an organisation plan their strategy that is for long-term and not short-term. I clearly see Nokia adapting to this long-term strategy model and which is actually good.

What if they are delayed by an year or so? Lesser than expected profits? But this is the cost anyone has to pay for a long-term strategy. Thats normal.

So, move on. All will be good at the end.

Btw, if you think Android and Apple are kicking others butts now. The time is not far when they would be kicking their own butts! :)