Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

The binary blobs for the N900 are not part of MeeGo. MeeGo has no binary blobs whatsoever.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Interestingly NPR reported today a paper or findings published by David Larcker, a professor of accounting at Stanford's Graduate School of Business and Ph.D. student Anastasia Zakolyukina when they set out to find the answer to the question: "How Can You Tell When A CEO Is Lying?"

Two things that they point out in an interview with Jim Zarroli of NPR:

Check out the number of times Stevie uses "We" just in the snippets you (Reggie) quoted. :)

and...



,,,ain't that^ just awesome, amazing, and a real game changer? :D

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

I specifically stated that the N900 blobs are now redistributable.

If you would kindly look at the 3 different links I provided in the very first line of the post you quoted, you will see that proprietary blobs is obviously not stopping Android from being distributed to handsets and devices in a fashion not originally planned by the manufacturer.

Manufacturers will do to MeeGo what they've done to Android.. I'd guarantee it. Hell, Nokia has as much admitted it already with their "MeeGo" device that will have the "Nokia UX" that is only based on the MeeGo Handset Framework. They will have proprietary apps in there, among other things.

However, and I refer to the followup post I made regarding Android... this type of Fragmentation does not appear to be stopping the now second or first or first/second or fecond or whatever used mobile OS currently on the (US) Market. (Depending who you read Apple is still #1, or Google is #1, whatever.. not the point. Point is they are both significant.)

Yes, some apps do not work across the board with Android, but that highly depends on what your app is designed to do. Some apps work fine for the vast majority if not all handsets right at release.. some crash on all kinds of things. It all depends on the application, but unless someone honestly show me that when they go into the market, half the apps they try and download don't work at all.. I'm thinking the whole "fragmentation" complaint is a bit of a stretch.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Good interview. I like this

"Apple is not really a technology company. Apple is really a design company. If you look at the iPod, you will see that many of the technologies that are in the iPod are ones that Apple bought from other people and put together. Even when Apple created Macintosh, all the ideas came out of Xerox and Apple recruited some of the key people out of Xerox."

Basically what we've said all along - steal ideas and put them in pretty packages.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

I haven't yet read the whole article yet, but the comments about not yet finding a way to make great smartphones for $50 seem a bit backhanded :P Are other CEO's in the industry this verbal about downplaying competitors? Isn't this a bit unprofessional?

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

We have them in non-oss -but- nothing in core and handset/ivi/etc depends on them. And they're redistributable.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Interesting what the ceo of tweetdeck responded, as tweetdeck was mentioned by jobs as an example for the fragmentation of android:

http://twitter.com/iaindodsworth/status/27813412620
http://twitter.com/iaindodsworth/status/27813709366

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Darn, I wish I thought of it, it sounds so easy.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

actually defragmenting android will continue with 3.0

and apple will have at least 3 different devices (iphone, ipad, itv) with same os.

fragmentation is bad for developers. less fragmentation = less testing required. and app races are all about developers...

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

I read about that research a while ago, thanks for reminding. One could think the research suggests that Jobs is a liar ;)

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Of coarse it is only a theory Captain.

:p


One thing our boy fails to mention... the death of Apple's Macintosh as the desktop system to beat once Microsoft released Windows 3.whatever.

Being able to use Windows on a variety of manufacturers hardware made Windows "more" open then Mac at the time...

For being able to respond to new consumer trends and technologies, more open trumps mostly closed... every time. :)

"Next" was miles ahead of M//S as far as technology and usability went but it used the same model as the Mac and now the iPhone. However, once the momentum went the way of M/S, decision makers couldn't be drawn back so easily. Once bitten, twice shy.

I'm detecting a bit of fear in Stevie. :)

The iPhone was more like the Mac when it dropped. It was a game changer when compared to what others offered. It did introduce a whole lot of people in the North American market to what a full featured phone can provide.

However, now there are plenty of others offering similar experiences and all we are seeing is incremental changes in the iPhones hardware and not much else.
If history repeats itself, once it becomes clear that Android or whoever will overtake iPhone, we will start hearing how our boy is all of sudden finding that the folks in his own organization no longer get his "vision". :eek:

In other words Apple slipping wont be his fault. :rolleyes:

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Which is tragic, since Apple's means of controlling fragmentation is to strip end users of any and all power. It's easy to have all the different platforms if users are basically led by the nose.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

I don't know. I think Apple will be producing cool, desirable stuff for a while yet.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Thank you for this post, I was puzzling over the seemingly random mention of Windows as an example of "openness", however putting it in this context makes perfect sense! Of course, thinking about Android but talking about Windows, clearly Jobs also fears history repeating itself.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

some of mr. jobs' comments remind me of one michael o'leary's (ceo of euro lcc ryanair). both seem to have knack for relatively outlandish comments; yet one begins to wonder if these comments reflect what/how these high-profile ceo's really think, or are they just one gutsy, yet well-played, move to keep their respective companies in the continuous lime light. as the saying goes, any kind of publicity is good publicity.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

In theory, it'd be possible to do just what Desktop Windows or Linux does: Have proper drivers for each bit of hardware, and abstract everything.
You should be able to write once, and have it work on most all systems powerful enough to use it - Just like with your Windows system(It doesn't matter if its a Dell, HP, or custom build. Whether its an AMD or Intel chip[both have x86/x86_64 compatible instruction sets])
If you have to tweak your application to make it run on different phones running the same OS... Something's wrong here - While you may have extra features in new ARM chips, you can always compile for a "lowest common denominator" instruction set, just like you compile for i386 on the Desktop.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

I for one agree with Mr Jobs' rant. But the reason Windows trumps OSX is that it is 'open' (our enough for OEMs) but its also integrated. I could literally buy any new Windows computer (MIDs to desktops) and run a PSX emulator with no hassle. Compared to Ubuntu the largest linux distro (i think) which is more open than Windows but less popular, why? The core reason its that its less integrated (there are slight discrepancies for the user).
I love Steve Vader for this comment because it will put pressure on Google to resolve its exsisting fragmentation issues, and also pressure on MeeGo to design its systems to prevent fragmentation (or limit it) from the start making it a higher quality choice overall, and possibly a better mobileOS than Android.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Well, he's playing off the common US notion that Nokia only makes cheap phones -- because US carriers, by and large, only offer cheap Nokias.

Since that image exists, it'd be fair enough if he stuck with it, and claimed the iPhone wasn't competing with Nokia dumbphones (though it would be either incredibly bizarre or incredibly revealing were he to feel the need to say that); however, he's clearly encouraging the press to dismiss all Nokia as a whole, including their high-end phones, under that cheap-brick image. Not that most of the US gadget press seems to need any persuasion to ignore or belittle Nokia, but it's still pretty despicably dishonest, IMO.

On the bright side -- if he feels the need to deliver such a strike at Nokia, doesn't that mean he's either feeling pressure from the N8 or (better yet) scared about the forthcoming N9, and Meego devices in general?

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

I doubt he feels any pressure from what Nokia now has in the pipeline. But, he would be a fool not to consider what disruptive potential Nokia has for what he may have in the pipeline.

I've said it before and I'll say it again in hopes that a rumor finally gets started: :p

The quickest way into the North American market for Nokia is through Motorola. :)

Nokola or Motorokia would pro'ly shake him up a bit. :D

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

If Nokia can get past the gorilla in the room (Android). Heck I think even Windows Phone 7 is better positioned then Nokia currently.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Ohhhhhh Shut up Steve Jobs!!!

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Yes Jobs is a blowhard - however, consider:

Maemo has binary closed parts as well.

MeeGo/Intel
"we at Intel believe that software-related technology should continue to be afforded the opportunity to obtain patent protection."
http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/tek1/...tent_intel.htm

Nokia and Intel defensive on MeeGo Linux patents
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05...oid_microsoft/

Open source has closed parts and is funded by software patent holders that do not share the core high value modules.

How much money is Google making off Android, its closed more than other open source projects to give Google control (deception = evil)

so, Jobs is a Jack Axx, but has a valid point about Android, the most closed open source project ever.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

Can you imagine actually needing a mantra that says, "Don't Be Evil?" You wake up every morning saying, "Okay, yesterday was a small setback, but today I'm truly not going to be evil." Sick.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

And people have given Nokia well deserved crap for it.

Intel does not speak for MeeGo, and frankly Intel is wrong. Software patents are great if you're a patent troll or looking to keep new competitors from rising in the market. They're bad if you actually want to innovate.

This sentence makes no sense.

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

well i just know that steve jobs have just got a away on stirring the tech market.. he is just like a hunter waiting to devour a prey and coming out clean.. pretty deceptive.... really

Re: Steve Jobs on open vs closed
 

I just cannot picture a skinny bald guy in a turtleneck as a hunter