Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Incorrect. Some warnings were bs, some were totally valid.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Move along people. Nothing to see here.
Got to play with the leaked FW (Not on my device, I hacked so much around I forgot what I did :D), and there's nothing worth rushing for :)

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

What is this file RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin

Is this the full pr1.2 ?

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

I'm with you except for this. NOLO is software that should be approached with extreme caution. An N900 recoverable only via JTAG is effectively bricked for most people.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Does this image change the loader? Has anyone confirmed if the alternate bootload stuff is in the W36 image?

One thing that does confuse me though: If you use the "hold u while booting" technique, doesn't that allow you to reflash the loader as well? I though the whole point of having the hardware shortcut was to force the load from ROM, which (while a set/old version) can always flash the entire device, loader included.

This was one of the nice bits built into the second gen of the Neo FreeRunner (vs the 1973). If you held a hardware key down at startup it would boot completely from ROM, allowing you to always recover from a bad software load, since there was no way to over-write the ROM code. The ROM version had speed issues (only negotiated USB 1), but it was a safe fallback if one needed it because they hosed the loader in NAND.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

I'm not trying to be picky since I'm not really experienced in this low level flashing stuff, but I thought the N900 didn't have a JTAG port (or it had some sort of serial port that no one knows what it is)?

Eitherway, your point is valid ;)

And @ other posts on this forum, stop spreading ********, the image does not contain the latest git sources, my modest and hildon-desktop are both newer than the one in the image, bme is identical to the one in PR1.2, newer images != newer everything.

Since this image has gone public (sorta) on tmo, I hope you'll do something useful with it instead of ***** about how it doesn't contain features; for instance, find bugs, search the bugtracker, see if they were fixed or if more bugs were introduced; take for example Qt 4.7, QTextBrowser shows black text on a black background, which is a critical bug imo (same code works fine 4.6.2 on PR1.2 btw)

P.S., I'm not sure if the SGX driver was even changed (cba to check), the kernel is dated August 06 btw.

Edit: @ post above, the whole dualboot thing was overhyped too much on tmo, it's only a patch to the kernel, which I think, was introduced after August 6, so it probably isn't in this image.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

I expect you're right. I've never gone looking for a JTAG port on the N900, and I just assumed there was one there, somewhere, as the N8x0 devices had them. For me it makes no difference, really, as I'm not 1337 enough for that level of hacking.

The message remains: Do not taunt Happy Fun Boot Loader.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

MohammadAG how dare you inject so much common sense into this thread. :p

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

All Maemo devices (and I believe all Nokia phones) have a serial connection for fast Phoenix flashing. Not sure if they are JTAG or not. I would assume one of the interfaces under the N900's battery is it.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Any ideas what this one is, its from here http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
and is 249MB

Is it the full PR1.2 ? (and I dont mean 1.3 btw)

If I want to fully flash my N900 back to factory is that the latest file I need ?

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Jacekowski claims ROM-Bootloader (the level-0 bootloader that probably can never get hosed) on N900 has code to do a cold flash via USB, he even says he did it iirc
For the original claim it'd be impossible to kill N900 via sw - ohohoh, you got no idea how easily you can break things like CPU or NAND bad block management or a dozen other things via software

NOLO will not be changed on next frimware update, I heard. Alternate bootload stuff for sure won't be in next maemo image, this info was a big misconception. Next maemo kernel will have working kexec, which would allow to boot a alien OS from within a working booted maemo system - so no real dualboot at all. Anyway Meego will use chainloader booting NOLO->uBoot->[maemo/meego/arbitrary other system], so it's not related to kexec at all and can be implemented any time.

No, holding 'u' - for all I know - just forces NOLO into flashing mode. Yes, a working NOLO can flash itself, means replace the NOLO program code stored in NAND with a new one. This won't help nevertheless if NOLO is hosed - see above for for ROM-BL and coldflashing though.

It was NOR-flash, not ROM. You could change NOR with a debug board. NOR has a secondary uBoot bootloader, which is the exact counterpart of NOLO/ROM-BL (1st/2nd uBoot), thus allowing you to flash a fresh primary NAND uBoot and rootfs to NAND. The system itself never had any shadow copy anywhere.

@Mohammad: afaik N900 has JTAG. It's just you don't usually need it (see ROM-BL coldflash) and usually don't have the tools to access and operate it


Warnings about leaked PR1.2 back when were absolutely serious, as modem FW was updated with an incompatible version, which left you with a broken phone functionality when downgrading from PR1.2 to an older version

cheers
jOERG

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

the leaked is came from china :D Always china!

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

@joerg_rw, I'm glad you mentioned the CMT firmware, as I was going to talk about that myself. I wonder if they've done it in this release ..

s/release/leak/

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Don't worry mate, PR1.3 Cellular modem doesn't changed from PR1.2 :) It's perfectly the same so there won't be a cellular modem problem with flashing it back :D

Source? ME!

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

man nokia sucks.. the virtual keyboard bug is still not fixed! when you typ something and the screen locks, when you unlock you still lose all the text you typed. i really hope they still gonna fix this user interface problems. same as when you want to edit existing text with virtual keyboard the whole damn text is messed up.

i really dont get it. a half year nokia is working on this update and still such errors are not fixed...

dont bull$hit me about this update not being official, we will again see that when the official 1.3 comes out it was still the same version as the leaked one, only with a different number.

somehow i started to think nokia leaks these firmwares on purpose to let people test it without responsebility behind it.

by the way if this is everything the 1.3 has to offer then its a damn sad thing... camera got worse! more blue pixels in dark areas... phone log scrolling lags big time and still an sms is send when you start up the n900 first time after reflash. man o man what the hell is nokia doing....

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

That's the EMMC image, if your flashing completely you'll need that and the firmware.

Follow the updating wiki and you can't go wrong.
READ IT FIRST!!!

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

i also noticed that camera got a lot worse in leaked pr1.3 and media player legs big time. I am sure the firmware is undone and couples weeks away. there is no difference in flash performance despite the new version 9.0 r277 but it still outperformes android 10.1 both cant play hulu. I played with droids 10.1 and although its easier on a battery it is no way better than nokia n900 9.0 r260

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

leaks will be slower than final, because test versions are compiled for debugging. there is still alot of cleaup both in code and in packaging before it goes out for real.

Believe me, I'm a software developer.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Dr. Peter Venkman: "Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

good point. So now I'll try to get that leaked version, just to have access to the debugging versions of some closed Nokia pieces. Might come in handy later, when the real version needs some investigations

cheers
jOERG

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

YoDude: "Don't hassle me I'm local."

***

As roger_27 implied and joerg_rw outright said:

Snagging this for possible future back doors is about its only value to folks like us. No single thing in PR 1.2 is so bad as to compel me to switch to something that could negatively affect the performance of a lot of things that are tweaked now in PR 1.2 and that I rely on every day.

Things like FM transmitter and some kernel mods, not to mention some newer QT apps I'm beginning to enjoy.

Hopefully, just as what happened when PR 1.2 was leaked, there is enough info in this leak so that some of the tweaks can be updated and ready for us when the real deal drops. :)

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

So, some Chinese dude uploaded some random firmware and claims that it is Pr 1.3... and you believe him...

Even worse... how can you guys flash something coming from a random untrusted site on the net to your phones?

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Does anyone have idea regarding the voice navigation on ovi maps in the update.. i guess that is also quite important update and should be included in the firmware...
plz help guys.. or i will have to purchase sygic maps..:eek:

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

That's why you monitor there conversation (google translator) and wait for someone else to try before you do and confirm that he is safe lol. It's the same thing as someone cracking software on their computer, or downloading .exe files from some site then installing it on their PC, little does he knows how safe the file could be, or what harm could be done to his computer and his privacy. Still he insist and try it out anyway. :)

That's just human nature, we are one risky race on this planet. Everyone is a gambler at some point right :)

There is a risk but risk is worth taken if you don't try it out then you wouldn't know. The chinese dude is either a Nokia employee in China branch or he could be a friend of one of the China testers branch.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

anyone else having trouble installing Sygic maps with this "leaked" firmware? i am getting unable to install.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

flasher which we use to flash our firmware do some tests before flashing our phone so it's not like we will be flashing some junk file to our phones. So we can install it and do some tests and get a look at features.

at max a chinese dude may put some virus on our phone to steal your information but when u flash you phone freshly then what will be there to steal????

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Nop, why don't you install it from Nokia OVi store?

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

True that. But remember that flashing OS is only just OS. The Opt and eMMC are still untouch. Unless flashing eMMC as well

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

yes they have, as have about everyone at itt/tmo as long as I've been there/here....

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

nope, you are now either mixing things or then you forgot to be more specific with your comments

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

I have stopped caring after the leaked PR1.2 suggestions to not to install that no-one probably listened "because PR1.2 is sooo coooool!!"

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Uhhhhhh.... ??

http://icanhascheezburger.files.word...estionmark.jpg

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

or havoc voltage profile into custom kernel that fries your cpu?

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Or make a ton of surreptitious, random phone calls/sms messages to emergency services... or worse, like Richard Simmons.

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Or make a ton of phone calls to premium services and ruin you financially?

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

or send SMSes ...

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

Why are we talking about the Sygic maps? Has nokia officially said no to free voice navigation on the N900.. Is this the best solution nokia has?? one of the top end model is not giving the basic features provided in far lower models... shame on nokia...:mad:

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

not much more of a risk than using official Image then, as nokia kinda already do that with MYnokia :D

Re: PR 1.3. Leaked?
 

that's what i was referring to - like: don't be afraid of chinese malware and trojans, the official Nokia build contains exactly such things.
i thought it was obvious :p