Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

so does this mean they are moving to intel chips? i mean if its going to be meego proper ... seriously wtf, im sitting waiting for a hardware upgrade and this canadian ruins my plans. bah ... now the hardware expectations are MUCH higher as a delay (speaking purely from the conference to announce presumably in '11) requires better optimization and a better device pd.

man i was hoping for leaks this week, and this is the EXACT ****ing opposite, damn im annoyed ... why leak a video in august then, if the device isnt gonna be seen for another 6 months ... wtf. i was waiting but now im gonna try something else, the usb port on my n900 is dead and i wanted to get meego instead of replacing the n900 ... what fustercluck.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Well likewise... But I am now glad (if this rumor is true) to have gone with a HTC EVO as my primary phone and didn't wait for the N9.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Dont be a spoil sport :D

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

In reality N900 was also a 2010 event and not 2009, even though it was announced in september. I guess they are going to announce it in 1Q 2011 and make it available in the same quarter, or as elop said, announcements will be made far closer to availability in the future.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

How so? As you wrote, the N900 was announced in September 2009, and it began shipping in November 2009.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Means nothing. My guess is Elop wants a clean break from the Maemo lineage. And no one sane is using Intel chips in a cellphone for at least another year, they have a loooooooooooooong way to go in the power management and efficiency front.

That said, this still says nothing whatsoever as to the existence (or cancellation) of any devices currently in the pipe.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

We're 170 people in the meego-arm IRC channel with many from Nokia there.. many work on the common platform (that doesn't really care if it runs on Atom or ARMv7).. N900 port leads the way for ARM-based pure-MeeGo Handset, so trust me, we are getting help :)

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

He probably meant N900 was a 2010 event because it was almost impossible to actually get one before 2010, sold out everywhere.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Nice to hear about the amount of people!

but a company in the size of nokia can always do more if they want.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Here's the full quote.:

"As an example of this, there have been various comments made at various points in time about the anticipated availability of our first MeeGo device and versions of the MeeGo software. My first impressions of our MeeGo work inspires both confidence and excitement. However, it is also clear to me that our first MeeGo device will be a 2011 event."

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2314...t?source=yahoo

Symbian seemingly inspires less confidence and excitement, 600 of the 800 Nokians losing their jobs in Finland are Symbian people.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

1800 people i think you mean't

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

I think that what happened here is that MeeGo was supposed to be released this year, according to Ari Jaaksi's standards of polishing (that means shiny, and rough around the edges).

I'm sure that when the Palm guy came as User Experience guru, deemed it not ready yet for the US market, and needing further polish. And Elop agreed, noticed how he mentioned "unpolished gems" at Nokia?

So they are spending this months for further polish. And its easy to see how a decision like it could have motivated Jaaksi's departure.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Did Nokia really have "at least" 600 developers working on Symbian based code (core, client apps etc)??

If so, WTF were they doing the last 3 years? They must have some serious 9am to 4pm plus Fridays off over in Finland because that's a HUGE number of devs for an OS that still looks and feels 2007.

That many people which results in only a "tweaked" UI layout? Luckily they were fired and not moved to work on Meego

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

i hope it doesnt end up like a pre, or some other cookie cutter smartphone ... i want a computer with linux in my pocket.

new nokia dont **** up a good thing. this has me scared that they will try to emulate the other companies out there. oh man, i guess the n900 was the last of the truly open devices ... next up meego the pre/droid clone. ughh so disheartened none of this bodes well for the tweakers, i fear some locks coming for no apparent reason. aww man, this is what i get for hoping that one company would provide a device thats usable ... the rest of the noise out there holds no interest for me. eff this mess, show me the N9 ill let you know if ill wait for it. dont make me wait, then the specs arent that good, then i have to continue waiting for a device thats worth purchasing.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

In Finland? nope, all around the world? yes

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Hate to agree, but i have to. :D Thought it's good to remember that as long as you are not working on Nokia Siement Network (that's pretty much 50% of Nokia's 122 000 workers) you got good change of working around Symbian somehow.


Shortly explained below what the job cuts are affecting.
http://translate.google.com/translat...m%3D_-21102010
And as it's translated from fin to eng, door=OVI. ;)

It's good to hear that Nokia is now concentrated to bring one cohesive OVI services around all devices. As before services inside Nokia was working around lineup of phones according to the article above.

It's about time too. If this is Elops works i'm already liking the guy. :)


EDIT:
Thought remember that Jaaksi left to HP and Skillman to Nokia, so in short switched places. It doesn't make it impossible what you are saying, but less likely imo.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

you are missing the big picture. it seems that the bureocracy and geological positions have been really irrational (every office has at least one symbian development team, why aren't they in the same place?!?!) since millenium or even before that.

e: what I mean is that if 2 guys dig a hole in 2 hours and 3 in 2,5 hours, how much does it take if 4000 guys are digging at the same time?

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

lol get some Valium or something.
you do know this is just speculation?
for all we know harmattan still might be released, there was rumour n9 was delayed until January/February a while back, Elop today announced there would be shorter time between announcement and shipping of products too which would explain why no announcement at MeeGo conference b/c it would mean ppl having to wait months like N900.
thar "2011 Event" could be a one off press event in January like the kind of event they launched 5800 few years back for all we know.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

By event i don't think he meant a real event. "first Meego device is 2011 event". N9 can still be announced this year and released Q1 or that's how i got it.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

The total is 1800, but I don't know how the total cuts are distributed. I would assume Ovi related jobs are more predominant in the 1000 or so cuts outside Finland.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Since I'm not currently planning to follow Nokia after the N900, I guess that the more delay the better as far as I'm concerned. HOORAY! The N900 is still King of the Hill!

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Remember that MeeGo is even more open than Maemo at its core. Any vendor/enterprising dev is free to develop their own UI and differentiations. So if the vanilla version looks a little too much like Android/Palm/iOS for most peoples' tastes, I'm sure there will be other options.

There is also a (paid) project underway to integrate GTK+ and MeeGo, so I think it will be entirely possible to eventually put the same old Maemo 5 UI on top of the MeeGo core if that floats your boat.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Indeed. If he really killed Harmattan I'm beyond words, but maybe that could explain why Ari left?

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Yeah, why release during holiday sales season and unfairly take sales away from your competition.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

I can still hope that Symbian will cease to exist. Sucks that people had to be let go but if you have that many people working on it and it's still a mess.... then it's time to fire some people. :D

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

The Meego 1.2 will not be released until april 2011 and we probadly should not expect Meego Handset is stable for the masses until then.

I am sorry too say this too people here, but if we take a look in the mailinglists and preveiws it is far from ready atm....

But this doesnt mean geeks should test it cause we should and also start make QT apps that works both on Symbian/Maemo and Meego instead of Gtk IMHO.:-)

I think we will see alot of progress and improvements on Meego for N900 in some months but release a N9 in this state would kill nokia it must be a killer OS before it gets released.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Yes, please stop freaking out on the internet. Go knee jerk in private. It's almost November, and Nokia has had a major shakeup with top level insertions from Microsoft and Palm. How big of a surprise is this? I think it's a good thing: Total outsiders who now have lots of power have probably made some objective assessments, and with those assessments came some recommendations. Starting with "Full stop, as of this moment, Qt [Mobility] will be on top of everything not in production." Cool.

People have been saying that Nokia needed to focus, well, there's some focus. This should have happened before the N97 launch, but better late than never.

Unix is here to stay. What open/closed forms it will take is still being written. Take deep breaths; just sit back and watch Microsoft throw chairs and tell you to put your devices down and go outside and play.

For all we know, Qt could be an WM 7, Android, iOS doomsday virus.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Just a few reasons why it doesn't qualify to even be describe itself as MeeGo:

• deb instead of rpm packaging
• busybox ash instead of bash as /bin/sh
• busybox instead of coreutils etc
• no connman(?)

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Sarcasm aside... I question the wisdom of anyone who impulse-buys this sort of product. And this forum has been swamped by them.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

And you are a developer yourself or what?

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

I understand and also sort of agree to what you said here but couldn't relate that to Ari's departure.

Anyways, I think this move is sort of a mixed bag. But more is on the greener side.

What Nokia needed for symbian was just a super-duper UI and hiring Peter Skillman for the job was a smart move to fix that problem. And I think it is again another smart move to decide not to release unpolished goods. Atleast they realized this somewhat with the N8. Better late than never.

N8 is a great device in my opinion and I am sure it is gonna rock and keep Nokia busy this holiday season (and possibly even seasons beyond). It definitely has the potential to be the next N95 for Nokia. I think they already even officially promised one big major update sometime later this year!

Now looking at the current state of MeeGo, I am not sure if I would expect a solid Nokia-MeeGo experience even by the 3rd quarter of 2011. But again, if Nokia can't pull a MeeGo out as expected (it's not about execution, it's about acceptance), they would have a solid (great UI) Symbian by then.

And if everything works fine as per plan, what would still leave me confused is about the the real difference between Symbian^4 and Nokia-Meego. How different they both would be? Would it be only the UI or would it be some terminal/root access that we are talking here?

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Though MeeGo freezes and releases twice a year no matter what, that doesn't necessarily indicate that companies building MeeGo-based products must synchronize their product launches to that cycle. The code is out there, and at any time, companies may pick up, refine, and use the selection of components, and component versions, they feel is suitable.

Indeed, should Nokia wait until April to finalize the full stack of software used on their MeeGo device and begin QA at that point, we could be in for quite a drought.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

I don't think that MeeGo based on the moblin-maemo hybrid core will be ready for even Q3 or Q4 2011. The integration started in February, and having it finished in less than a year would seem extremely optimistic.

Just like the N900 was slightly delayed and the N8 was also a number of months late, I think that the same kind of problems arose in the N9 development. This is the reason Nokia wants a software guy as CEO. They want to eliminate the product delays because of software problems that Nokia has had in the past.
The fact that the head of MeeGo devices leaves could also be because of the delay.

Currently Nokia really is a manufacturer of relatively under-powered devices (with the exception of the N900, but that was not intended for the mass market, average consumer). Samsung introduced her first device with an ARM Cortex A8 core in february 2009 (i8910), and Nokia won't have a Cortex device, intended for the mass market, for sale before 2011!
That is 2 years late!

I still think that the N9 will be announced at the MeeGo summit, but it will probably ship in Q1 2011.
Nokia needs a good high-end smartphone/mobile computer. The longer it is delayed the bigger this problem will become.
But I must say that the N8 is a good innovation, with wonderful new features, and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one even if the device doesn't have a Cortex processor.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

The Media Advisory I received from the Linux Founadtion along with my invitation to Meego Conference next month says that there are no product announcements, just a developer and community conference ;)

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

You are joking right? I don't know when the i8910 was actually made available for purchase but I got my Nokia N900 (ARM Cortex 8 based) in late 2009 itself.

And what exactly is your definition of mass market? How different are the prices of these 2 devices in question?

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

I still think the segment of our society that understands or even care about the things we talk about here is ridiculously small. So imho, Nokia should either be prepared to satisfy the masses or target it more decisively to the niche market that the n900 should've had.

There's no excuse for this oversight really. Nokia understood the importance of making products user friendly and accessible since they were the candybar king. It was one of their strongest differentiating factor.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

I'm not arguing against that. Forget the dirty details we dwell on here. I'm saying if one intends to drop several hundred dollars on any product, they would be extremely remiss IMO in not checking it out first-- REGARDLESS of what the manufacturer has or has not done.

Sorry, impulse buying of expensive cell phones is nuts.

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