Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Its starting to p**s me off as we had to wait for PR1.2 and now PR1.3. Think i'm going to reflash to the Global and be done with it.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

My advice to everyone here is to flash to Global Firmware. Though PR1.3 has bought very very little noticeable differences (no new features etc), it is still not ideal to be the last to get updates.

I'm on Vodafone UK and switched to Global during the PR1.2 fiasco. I faced the same problems with Voda so went Global.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

i would go global but one tiny thing is stopping me my house got burgled and my data cable was taken why??? i have no idea but it was one of a lot of things stolen i did have a second cable at work but what did some clever person do run over the end with a chair crushing the connector which now doesnt fit my N900 im cable-less update-less and starting to get a bit cheesed off i understand it doesnt bring new features etc but to be able to keep up with everyone else would be nice

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Really frustrated also. Haven't got the PR 1.3 OTA update yet here in Nairobi, Kenya. I bought my N900 in London. The PR 1.2 didn't take this long, I got it on the second day after release.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

I purchased my phone direct from nokia uk and still have got no ota update!

If I flash to global firmware, would it be possible to backup my high score in angry birds, maps etc?

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

looking in my apt[1] i have downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 (unbranded generic) and a friend downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 (unbranded italy).

so... maybe we have differents repository and so we don't have the updates yet (i guess).

[1] cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

I've tried changing the repository for the software updates to mr0 but this had absolutely no effect.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

203 is the UK firmware, and MR0 is the global generic version.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

The packages have different names as well, so just changing the repository won't help. You really need to reflash in order to change the firmware variant.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Nope, nobody from Nokia has ever responded on this question, and nobody who's switched firmware has been able to find any differences.

If you've not made lots of customisations, or bought much from Ovi (you only get 5 downloads per app), then I'd just reflash to the global generic and have done with it.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

I wonder. Have the UK delays/testing got anything to do with the cherry mess?

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Last time we got 1.2 before Vodafone etc had managed to even test let alone make the package to lock their pone. The Vodafone forum was full of people complaining almost 2 weeks after the 1.2 release got sent to generic phones like mine and others. This is probably Nokia trying to be nice to operators and making sure they are on side. Forgetting that punters couldnt give a rats *** about operators that generally rip us off and charge us for FUD data usage thats bollox. I hope Nokia doesnt delay anymore, but I get a feeling with the likes of Vodafone UK, this could take a while :/

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

That may not be an insurmountable problem ...

Nokia-N900-51-1:~# apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr modest-providers-data
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeprint2.2-0
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following extra packages will be installed:
adobe-flashplayer as-config-applet-0 as-config-applet-l10n-cscz

[... many more packages ...]

telepathy-spirit telepathy-stream-engine testserver theme-default-settings-mr0
tracker tracker-utils
Suggested packages:
as-daemon-doc libomxil-bellagio0 locales glibc-doc libqt4-dev ca-certificates
osso-mediaengine perl pulseaudio-utils pavumeter pavucontrol paman
rtcom-messaging-ui-themes-naba sqlite3-doc evince djvulibre-bin gnumeric
Recommended packages:
connui-connection-manager osso-thumbnailer-libid3 libcanberra-gtk-module xml-core
pulseaudio-module-x11 paprefs padevchooser unzip wv xsltproc w3m untex o3read
The following packages will be REMOVED:
clockd-settings-205 hildon-application-manager-settings-205
hildon-desktop-applet-settings-205 hildon-desktop-application-shortcuts-205
hildon-input-method-data-205 location-settings-205 maemo-icons-205
maemo-ringtones-205 mafw-iradio-source-bookmarks-205 modest-providers-data-205
mp-fremantle-205-pr osso-rss-feed-reader-feeds-205 tablet-browser-bookmarks-205
theme-default-settings-205
The following NEW packages will be installed:
clockd-settings-mr0 dsme-thermalobject-surface
hildon-application-manager-settings-standard hildon-desktop-applet-settings-mr0
hildon-desktop-application-shortcuts-mr0 hildon-im-plugin-base-settings
libconninet0 libconnsettings0 libgq-gconf0 libqt4-declarative libqt4-translations
libqtm-bearer libqtm-contacts libqtm-location libqtm-multimedia
libqtm-publishsubscribe libqtm-sensors libqtm-serviceframework libqtm-systeminfo
libqtm-versit location-settings-default maemo-ringtones-mr0
mafw-iradio-source-bookmarks-default modest-providers-data
mp-fremantle-generic-pr n900-fmrx-enabler osso-icons-default
osso-rss-feed-reader-list qtm-maemo-metapackage tablet-browser-bookmarks-mr0
theme-default-settings-mr0
The following packages will be upgraded:
adobe-flashplayer as-config-applet-0 as-config-applet-l10n-cscz
as-config-applet-l10n-dadk as-config-applet-l10n-dede as-config-applet-l10n-engb

[... many more packages ...]

telepathy-spirit telepathy-stream-engine testserver tracker tracker-utils
1004 upgraded, 31 newly installed, 14 to remove and 16 not upgraded.
Need to get 91.6MB of archives.
After this operation, 21.6MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

Pressing enter should be OK, right?

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Depends on what order it does things, and how you are for disk space. Theoretically it should work though.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

I get:

'Package mp-fremantle-generic-pr is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source'....


:-(

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

If you're trying to change the firmware variant, you'll need to change the SSU repository first (or add the global one) - I think it uses mr0 instead of 203 in the URL.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

So let's just confirm - we can use this method to completely switch from the UK generic firmware (i.e 203) to the global firmware without having to flash the N900?

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

I'm certainly not confirming that. Theoretically, it should work though. According to another post from someone that did it, there's a lot of fixing issues & rerunning apt-get required, so it's probably not a good thing to try for novice users. It's also still rather early to be sure that there's no longer-term issues.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

>longer-term issues

Yeah, that's what I was wondering

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

im in the uk and i got my update on the 25th? carphone whorehouse rules!!

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

[IMG]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1122/...969ed4d51c.jpg[/IMG]

MOD edit: removed image with IMEI



odd how it seems like im the only one?
i feel like will smith lol

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

>odd how it seems like im the only one?

You are running the global firmware, not Uk firmware, that's why

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Yes. I succeeded with this:

1)Change 203 or 205 to mr0 in the apt sources list
2)'apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr modest-providers-data'
(just specifying 'mp-fremantle-generic-pr' should be sufficient here, but it seems apt can't figure out that it needs to install modest-providers-data to satisfy the dependency like other dependency-resolving package tools would, so you have to give it a hint until it has actually installed modest-providers-data).

This should have been enough, however, the following additional issues came up (I didn't note which order, some occurred more than once etc.):

• Command in (2) fails, recommends running 'apt-get -f install', so, well, run 'apt-get -f install'. This may tell you it needs to uninstall mp-fremantle-generic-pr ... but there seems no other option for now. I don't know why it would have installed the package when the dependencies were not met ... rpm-based systems don't do this :-p
• Command in (2) says mp-fremantle-generic-pr is no longer available (possibly due to above issue/resolution): run 'apt-get update'
• Command in (2) says it can't install hildon-desktop-applet--settings-generic due to divert of 'hildon-desktop-applet-settings-205' conflicting with divert -generic package wants to add. Run 'dpkg-divert --remove /etc/hildon-desktop/home.plugins' to resolve.

I am not an experience Debian user, but I have been using Linux for 9 years, contributing to an rpm-based distro for 7 years, been using Linux professionally for 6, have two Linux certifications each from two major Linux certification entities, and know some apt/dpkg basics. I had to google to find that dpkg-divert is the command to use to fix broken "diverts" in dpkg, and read the --help to use it.

And what is the equivalent to 'rpm -q --scripts $installedpackage' or 'rpm -qp --scripts $packagefile' ?

I was prepared to flash (had flasher installed, had backed up using the backup application to an SDHC card, had global firmware ready), but didn't want to waste time finding applications when I could do something more productive like find out whether this works.

I also recommend doing the actual upgrade pieces from a PC via ssh, makes it quite a bit easier (I ran first 'apt-get install' on the device, as download took some time, and I couldn't stay at the laptop while it was downloading, but after the first error, switch to using ssh).

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

what a nob cheese i am. sorry! :(

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

:D

Got to start using that more often

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

I dont see why people use the branded firmware or the uk/eu variant of the firmware. (unless you really love your network and like the extra content they add on)
I stick with Global as any updates etc always come out when they are suppose to & hence you don't need to wait about. So I got mine the day it was announced on the net that its released. Updated straight from the device no problem.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Punishment for trying to rule the seven seas?

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

If I remember rightly... last time we got the little update last but got the BIG update first - will the UK be the first to get 1.3?

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

On the N900 they dont add much I think possibly they add Voice mail preset and disable the Skype Function..

Possibly with a lot of the Networks in the Uk clamping down on the Data Usage or at least charging for it. They want to ensure some functions are restricted ie video calling and add others I dont know possibly Data counter (Just me guessing no fact to back it up) as plenty of N900 users in the Uk may not use the extras and non default repostries due to the device being sold online and in the shops as a Iphone type phone..

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Skype is exactly the same as in the generic firmware - the only place I've heard of it being disabled is India.

From looking at the global & UK firmware, there looks to be a number of config changes (things like internet radio stations - though I don't actually look to have the UK ones, so I'm not certain on this) and some extra scripts/config around WLAN. If I find time, I'll go through the diff and see what actual changes there are (there's a lot of gconf changes which come out just because the modified timestamp is different). A number of the changes look to be just cleanups/text clarifications which really ought to be in the global firmware anyway, so perhaps the UK team isn't actually speaking to the global team (which would explain a lot).

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

I was led to belive and from what I saw on my Vodafone 1.2 firmware compared to my 1.1 version the Skype Video faclity was disabled by Vodafone and somewhere on the Eforum they mentioned the differences. http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/topic/61.../page__st__140 but were very coy saying nothing was changed but mentioned Skype was altered!! They also add Vodafone settings.

If you know how to activate the skype video calling on my Vodafone pr1.2 firmware let me know Id be real happy:)

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

I've got this too, but I'm not trying to change the product code, just update! I got a text from Nokia saying I could update so ideally I should be able to!

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

is thier away to change the product code on the n900 so i can get the update i tried phoenix software but you seem to need usename and password to change it. just don't fancy flashing and loosing my setup..

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Ah, the Vodafone firmware. Why is anyone still running that anyway? I'd recommend switching to the generic UK firmware instead (or the global firmware).

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

There isn't an update yet for UK users - Nokia have just messed up (again) in sending out the messages.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

You don't need to change the product code - see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=63 for details on switching firmware OTA.

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Here's the mystery - the UK generic firmware is not tied to a network; it is generic. There appears to be no identifiable difference between it and the global generic firmware apart from an ID code. This is why those of us who have the generic UK firmware don't understand why there is a delay ...

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

oops, sorry, messaged the wrong thread

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

Looking at a diff between the last global & UK firmware, I'm even more confused. There's actually quite a lot of differences, most of which are utterly irrelevant - the names used to reference the default bookmarks change between the global & UK firmware, though the URLs are exactly the same; the XML code defining the internet radio stations uses a namespace in the UK firmware, but not in the global. I can see very little that's actually different, but a whole lot of stuff that's been changed for no reason whatsoever - are the UK firmware customisation guys just trying to make their jobs look more important?

Re: Why are UK firmware updates delayed?
 

I'm seeing a lot of people worried about losing all their stuff from a reflash. I was one of those people until yesterday but I have to say I'm impressed with how simple it actually is to do. Here's what I did:

1. Used the built-in backup utility
2. Copied the backup onto my PC (it was around 7mb but I didn't need it in the end anyway)
3. I went here and followed the instructions to just flash the firmware in Windows (not eMMC).
4. Rebooted to a seemingly fresh install.
5. Restored the backup with the backup utility (all the files in MyDocs etc. were still there anyway)

The backup utility then restored all of my settings completely, aside from Nitdroid, but that's another matter. After it had restored the settings, conversations, contacts, etc. it told me it needed to reboot to get my apps so I did that, after downloading the latest versions of all of them (besides Ovi stuff) it was done. My widgets were back in place, my desktops were the same as ever and if my theme had been in the repository I bet that would have been back too.

I almost hate to say it but in this case it... Just worked. Hope that dispels a few worries for some people here, I have to say that I'm a pretty lazy person normally and I hate having to set things back up the way I like them so I was amazed at how little I actually had to do.