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(really must install the Flash tweak tool)
The flash tweaker does not work with this update 1.3

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nokia urgently need to make a response to the errors that they have done with this latest update....what are the chances?

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What errors? Something that was never promised but you expected?

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It's always the same... just because Nokia didn't promise it, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't have been included! This phone was EXPENSIVE. It is simply not good enough to say "oh well I knew what I was buying into, I didn't raise my expectations blah blah blah..." There's a reason Nokia execs have been replaced left, right and centre... there's a reason they're losing ground to all the other manufacturers, there's a reason they have forums full of raging angry customers!

I love the N900. If Meego comes, I'll install it and see how it goes. If it doesn't then it doesn't. I know it is not on the cards as far as the official announcements go - I do understand this fact.

I am however NOT happy with the support Nokia has provided. This is a great base hardware, with a very capable OS. Updates and fixes could have been provided on a weekly basis, addressing problems and issues in a steady and reasonable manner. Instead Nokia have left issues like pop email not auto-checking broken for months since the PR1.2 update. It is now fixed, thankfully... but that's the kind of service Nokia are giving and so it's no wonder people are angry and frustrated at them!!

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What is wrong with all those talking about promises and keep nagging that nothing was promised nothing was promised!!!!
did nokia promise that any Maps application updates will have the turn by turn navigation free of charge?!!and yet it is there for alot of handsets
and for N900 i am a realistic person as long as any other company could provide such software, working on my handset this means that the mother company can do it
and for video calls, for those think they are smart, video calls is something different than google video call and different than skype video call
so i think that it is simple question why there is no video call over 3G in this update? regardless the price of this service i use it

Do i have to expect a promise that i'll be able to know the call duration in next updates?? it is simple requiremnts being posted and if Nokia is taking a real care it would take such ideas into consideration.

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It's about competitively providing advantages over other products, which so far the N900 is rapidly losing, if not already long ago lost. Perhaps people are thoughtlessly throwing around the word 'promise' when they really mean 'hope.' Also.. isn't there a PR 1.3 bug report thread buzzing along pretty chatty around here somewhere?

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Wait, so they should have read your mind and included everything you could think of, otherwise you're disappointed and right to be disappointed?

Well for one, this isn't a Nokia forum. That's one reason I can't stand these hateful, destructive threads. People with a bone to pick start attacking anyone who doesn't agree with them in their anger.

Except that the problems with Nokia's support are well known, oft documented on these forums. Crap flinging threads like these that only hit regular users are utterly useless in the short run and do nothing but drive people away. And, unsurprisingly, most are made by people whose SOLE PURPOSE FOR COMING HERE WAS TO *****.

No one here can help you. Go yell at Nokia directly. Frankly, I'm getting tired of it.

Depends, I suppose if you're a flavor-of-the-month kind then buying into this device -now- would be a foolish endeavor. As for me, there's nothing else like it at the moment so I've got nowhere to move to.

Don't you have more anti-Nokia, anti-N900, user-attacking posts to go thank?

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My N900 worked fine two days ago. Worked fine yesterday. And wait.. let me check.. yup. Works fine now.

*sigh* Darn Nokia for not breaking my phone so I could fit in around here!! What were they thinking.

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Which is precisely why people keep HOPING for Nokia to update the ONLY Maemo tablet^H^H^H^H^H^Hphone they have with something to make it at LEAST compete with the stuff they're seeing on all the other platforms. Mind you, I still have an old Motorola Droid over here and I'm STILL getting updates and major apps. There's a fairly good chance that the D1 community will backport future OS's, since they're building them from source and customizing the kernels/roms/etc for the Droid. Similarly, the Apple Illuminati (I'm betting that's where all those "i"'s in their products come from) are enjoying similar support and updates from Apple for all theri phones and iPods going back at least three generations at a time. Why shouldn't we expect similar support and flexibility from a Linux tablet like the Nokia N900?

One can only mingle around utopia for so long before it becomes slightly boring sometimes.

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My old 1974 Volkswagen Beetle works fine too! And I love it. But I *AM*, however, glad that there has been progress in the way cars are designed. Just saying.

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Well.. driving around in a 1974 Volkswagon is likely to get you a few "Holy sh*t! How is that still alive?" responses sure.. but that's quite a bit different than the "Holy Sh*t! How do you do that?" responses I still get with my N900 sometimes. :rolleyes:

Nevermind me Dan. I'm not getting into another pissing contest over Android vs Maemo again. I'm glad you like your phone. Enjoy.

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Is not about breaking down anything pr 1.3 indeed improved couple of things, Is about potential that this device STILL have and not fully reviled because of company politics as well as customer expectations regarding to what we know this device is capable of...

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i am actually very happy with this latest update, phone seems way more quicker especially the browser and media player, and noticed my phone reception and battery are better than before. not to mention qt 4.7 added, the phone is almost near perfection. not very often do you see a piece of hardware/ software reach perfection these days

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Why some posters are taking it so personal, if u find it really helpful update then congrats, and i am happy for you.

it is all about expectations if u dont expect, this is your own peoblem, i do,
and about that funny word about reading mind YES, part of competetion and success is to read mind of customers

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True, but if Nokia tells you not to expect Flash 10.1 (or voice navigation for maps) why on earth would you expect it? Believe me, I've never been happy with how Nokia treats the N900 but I don't complain when they don't deliver what they told me not to expect.

Edit:

Seriously it's like a kid who asks for X for Christmas and their parents telling them it's not going happen. And then the kids complain when they don't receive X at Christmas.

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It doesn't even need to be Android vs Maemo. It could easily be '74 VW vs 2010 Fiesta or 1980's clothes washer vs 2010 he washer.. the irony is that the N900 is so last-decade and it's only been a year.. and my Droid came out at nearly the same time and STILL gets far more impressive support from the first party as well as third party. Nokia isn't even trying.

Also.. really? You get "Holy *****? How did you do that?" I mean.. I've seen the N900.. you must be showing off to flip-phone owners. :)

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As you so kindly pointed out point-by-point why you think I'm wrong, let me respond in kind:

No, not read my mind... just the market. Competitor's phones which cost less money are getting better and longer-term support than this one.

And no, not everything I could think of... just keep in line with or ahead of the market curve - with the aim of being the best or at least trying. They are not trying.

This is a forum, for a range of Nokia manufactured and "supported" devices, on which people are discussing the manufacturer's failings and how they feel let down/short-changed.

As I said previously, just because Nokia's "support" problems are well known, that does not excuse the problems. They should sort this out and could if they so chose, they just do not. This response goes exactly to the point you made the first time which is what annoyed me and I responded to.

People here can help. There are members of this community who work with and for the maemo team, not to mention those who will pick up the development path at the point when Nokia do officially cut off "support" for the N900 completely. These people can change the direction this device could take or even, just maybe, influence Nokia - which is under some considerable flux at the moment with a higher-management shake-up.

Tired of it? Fine... don't read it! The problem she is solved. By not reading it, you won't be in any way able to respond to it. Then you too will have helped me by not being a part of the other type of "troll" on here.


Yes, a foolish endeavour. And by the look of it, this will be the case for a long time because the reason, Meego that is, for Nokia having dropped Maemo as the new future of mobile devices (something they actually did kinda mention more than a few times!) is not coming any time soon... they are very behind and as ever losing ground to competitors. All the more reason to kick up a fuss and make them realise they need to support this one more in the mean time, it is after all still selling quite well and proving reasonably popular on the almost zero-effort promotion that Nokia dedicated to it.

How is that helpful, or any less childish/pointless than what you're accusing him of?

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Actually, this is a Maemo forum--not a Nokia forum. He's right on that point. To your credit, though, we *ARE* talking about Maemo.

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I've gotten impressed reactions from people owning Android devices and iPhones. But they aren't technologically savvy. I know more about both those devices than their owners. Some of my technologically savvy friends are impressed about the native abilities associated with Linux but they don't want to carry around a phone with that capability all the time (one's on Windows Mobile 6 and the other has a Droid).

Edit: Though whenever anyone that asks me about it considers buying one I turn them away from it.

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Yes, the kids usually shell out $500 for Christmas, then they complain they didn't receive X.

When Nokia was pushing the N900, I don't remember them saying WARNING: We are making a big deal about how we support Flash now, but that doesn't imply we will support the .1 update to Flash when it comes.

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I sure do. And I'm surrounded in both Android and iPhone owners.

That's not to say they don't like to show their phones off to me sometimes too. But.. I suppose that's the difference between me and them and this forum. Give and take isn't actually "bad".

Having an FM transmitter to stream Pandora through clearer than the majority of after-market devices with a larger range of frequencies impresses several people. The ability to play videos in quality and formats that other phones balk at impresses people. The ability to have skype completely integrated into my contacts gets attention. The ability to quickly switch between several apps when we are debugging problems at work impresses. Using the flash as a flashlight is still brighter than any screen yet.

Many, many, little **** that I do day by day that the people I hang out with go "that's cool." Then my Android buddy pulls up full 3D WoW Armory on his phone to show off his character that I have no hope for (The armory requires Flash 10).

So yeah.. living in a world where there's actually room for differences must seem totally weird to most people on here.

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I understand where you're coming from with that point, but I read the situation a little differently on this one.

I just don't think it is good enough to have said it's not going to happen in the first place, and firmly believe in vocally trying to change Nokia's mind on this sort of issue.

The N95 is a prime example of a phone which, through user pressure and complaints (also from networks) was updated to include features like demand-paging, accelerometer rotation etc. This was also stuff which they said was never coming and yet they caved in and did it, and in doing so did the right thing by their customers... the phone just wasn't properly finished without some of those features and fixes.

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I never said they can't complain (though I wish they would do it more constructively). I'm saying (if you would re-read my post) that it's rather stupid to complain that what you were expecting didn't come when they told you not to expect it.

By all means push Nokia to do it. Heck I'd be more then happy to join in on that push. But complaining that an update didn't contain X feature when they said X feature wasn't going happen seems pointless. Hence my analogy to kids at Christmas.

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just out of interest... who gets to choose the tags for any given thread on this forum?

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Anyone with more than a handful of posts, I believe. The bar isn't high.

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Is this right? About navigation and video call? Can someone tell me???

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No voice navigation in Ovi Maps. No video calls over 3G (this means you can't do 3G video phone calls). This is not the same thing as video calls as Skype and GChat (which has been working since PR 1.2)

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Everyone has their own opinions, there is no need to go around insulting people here.

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Flash tweaker update due possibly tomorrow.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...255#post843255
details here

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Does PR 1.2 support video calls over 3G?

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In terms of GChat and Skype? Yes. You could even try over 2G but it wouldn't be pretty (not like it is already).

In terms of from a 3G phone to 3G phone (mostly seen in Europe and Japan, not in the USA) then no. Note: This does not mean you cannot use GTalk or Skype to talk to someone else who is using Skype on another phone. These are two seperate things.

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We will never get that far. 1.4 is full meego development edition for the n900. Speculation infact but probably true.

BTW I wanted to see legitimate disappointment in the update, not trolls, come one people do you know what common curtsy is.

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What amazes me the most about these threads is that people will complain and ***** and moan about the phone (which I have to admit I like a great deal - just finished a 2 hours NFSU session FTW). Yet they stick around these forums like a unwashed jock strap at the bottom of a gym bag and call anyone who even remotely supports Nokia a fanboy.

This isnt even a goddamn Nokia forum. Its talk.MAEMO.org, not talk.n900.org or even talk.nokia.org. My support is primarily for the OS which continues to get better and better.

If you are that unhappy with the OS then load up gentoo on it - others have. Works just fine from what I have read. Or Ubuntu, or debian. Hell do something other than complain every time a new BUGFIX release comes out (this is the 3rd major one in under a year by the way - no support?).

Failing that please - just leave. Have your little whine - then take your bat,ball and new phone and go whine on their forums. Let the rest of us get on with improving the maemo experience in peace.

On a personal note - I have tried Android, tried BB, tried palm, tried iphone and tried windows mobile (though not the new 7 vers) and quite frankly my N900 still is the most functional mobile computer I have ever had.

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Who forced you to read this thread? Just think of all the annoyance and unwashed jockstraps you could have spared yourself from had you not wandered into this particular gym bag!

Seriously... don't read them if they bother you, all you are doing by posting is perpetuating the thread.

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I can give you a quick tip: reading would make your life easier. no need to read minds or other stuff like that, you only have to understand what you read.

as you can see, there are people criticizing your comments because they have read and understood too.

N900 is awesome, but if this doesn't appeal to you, it is not my fault that you have done really bad decision:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/10/n...ental-illness/

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learn to respect others views. N900 doesnt come cheap and if someoen has bought it, its with their hard earned money. I also didnt expect turn by turn not to be there when i bought my device. If he feels disappointed with the update he has all rights to do so.

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yes and then he can create a blog and vent the frustration there.
e: example: http://n8fail.tumblr.com/

if I am pissed, I am not going to a random place somewhat related and start trashing the place and shouting insults to people. maemo.org isn't nokia and if you are pissed to nokia, coming here is almost like if you are pissed to granny next door and you go shouting to retirement home.


http://www.forum.nokia.com/

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I had to thank you because you spelled whine correctly. Not even kidding.

To the guy that started this thread, for his first post, asking now why we are upset about his opinion -- it's a complete lack of respect for everyone here when you start a thread like this on your first post, and write it in ALL CAPS with a bunch of !!! at the end. It's not an opinion, it's a whine. "a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound"
ANNOYING!!
I'm sure most people here are able to be reasonable, see from others viewpoints, and respect opinions. So yeah, i'll read, think, and reply. Now that you've seen the mess you made, are you happy? Do you really think 57 bugs fixed + performance increases = LITTLE? Did you file some bug reports somewhere that they promised to fix and didn't?
Don't even get me started on Flash 10.1
Flash is a closed (controlled by adobe, no source) platform. If you think you need this, you bought the wrong phone.

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Flash was reported as one of the big features of this phone when it launched, so to say he bought the wrong one doesn't really stand. As for the 10.1 aspect, already many popular sites are not working (needlessly, as it is laziness/incompetence on the developers part a lot of the time). To be perfectly frank, Nokia stated that the N900 comes with Flash - it didn't say it comes with Flash 9, this will be the only version.

It'd be less of an annoyance if it weren't present already on other devices. Nokia don't want to pay the fees to allow their users to upgrade it would seem. Expectation of flash being upgraded in due course, at the time of buy and even after - reasonable I say.

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And at the time of release this was the ONLY phone doing FULL flash added to that is the fact that it DID explicitly specify the flash version both in the specs and several reviews posted prior to the release.

As for flash being present on other devices. Welcome to technology. The device you just bought was basically obsolete the day you purchased it. Complaining because devices that are 6-12 months more recent than the N900 are FINALLY getting flash and the N900 isn't shows a failure to grasp the pace at which tech - especially this mobile tech - is currently moving.

On a final note - the flash tweaker I does a pretty good job of fooling most sites that we they should run flash content just fine and I am sure that if you REALLY applied yourself you could find the TI release of the flash plugin somewhere in the big wild internets.