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geeeeeeeeeeeee

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Same old trolling, that is.

MeeGo = Nokia... and Intel.. and Texas Intruments... and Novell... and AMD... and...

iOS was years behind Symbian.

Android was well behind iOS.

In general, your points have no point.

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 

Nokia still has a chance.
Remember N-Gage.
That is one of the best things from Nokia.
Agree???

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The key point is not 2 years behind,

but 2 years behind and no more new things !

Once the smartphone OS market settle down,

new OS has few chance to involve in.

For example, on desktop OS market, Microsoft is the only player,

Linux can be even ignored. Linux is newer than Windows.

But the result is what ? It failed.

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 

I think the biggest competitor to MeeGo is:

WP7 and WebOS, and also ChromeOS, UNR, Jolibook.

I think the market is big enough (developers/apps/sales wise) for 3 major smartphone divisions. This is no doubt dominated by Android and iOS.
So who becomes the third wheel is as important as ever, and WP7 is showing a headstart. Ofcourse the other OS's can survive as minor alternatives like Symbian/RIM (internationally wise).

But MeeGo is also having difficulty/competition on the other end (tablets/netbooks) and things there are more cloudy (hard to guestimate).

I'm guessing if MeeGo was as ambitious as WP7:
(eg/ they finish (v1.2), released with at least 5 different smartphone choices, at the time WP7 was released, paid developer of popular iOS/Android apps to port in Qt.)
I'd say MeeGo would be in a bigger headstart than WP7, and that if they were effective in their execution of the entire platform, they would definitely become the third most popular.

Right now they will have a hard time to become the fifth, let alone third.
If they were as ambitious (as stated above) but released when Android 2.1 was released (Jan 2010) I'd say they could've potentially been the second most popular (and yes I know MeeGo was only announced Feb, but just saying).

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Surely you don't mean Linux failed.

The number one web server OS?

The OS underneath the Android you're so hyped about?

Again: your points are pointless.

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Re: Trolling

It takes two to tango.

If your opponent throws you a mean serve, don't return it if you don't plan on playing tennis.

If you don't want to see a particular topic gets debated upon and gets some limelight, don't frickin answer it.

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Blump-it and lets start with the apps all ready :D http://blumpit.com/

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 

yeah, but that there implies we all have lives beyond TMO.

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Of course not.

I mean Linux on desktop OS.

1% market share for many many years.

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 

I think Nokia needs to stop playing the chasing game. Instead, create a new, cool, high end phone/gadget that "wow" end users. Hire someone with great imagination from Hollywood to throw some cool idea of futuristic handheld devices (thinking the portable panel used in research center in Avatar that transfers information wirelessly from the workstation and take control from the panel :D) to the product design team.
Human being likes attractive/beautiful stuff by nature. But how many of Nokia phones in the market nowaday have good appearance :o? There may be more sales of N900 if it is half as thick and have a larger yet ideal screen size.
Stop chasing, Nokia. And start creating.

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Hey, buddy,

at least, we can learn something from the discussion.

By reading other guy's thoughts, we can broad our view, right ?

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I sure hope Nokia does not want MeeGo to compete in the Smart Phone market.
A Smart Phone isn't that the name for the typical year 200X mutation of mobile phones into internet computers running on way too low end hardware to compete with desktops, hence needing thin clients and specially written light apps?
Devices, first feature packed "smarter" phones, in a later stage especially designed for and happily used by advertisement centered companies to lure users into the use of data mining "free and low cost software" linking ip , gps, account info, mobile network data info into gigantic databases of user profiles?

What today is high end about such a Smart Phone? It is just as mainstream as a keyhanger and imo some of those Smart Phones should be freely distributed as the user already pays by using the integrated services.

If MeeGo is going to be anyhing like Maemo today or better I will most probably be making phone calls only from my computer that fits in my pocket.
Chances are MeeGo will be a first choice OS for those computers.

If only some nano wire or tube battery tech would make a breakthrough.

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 

Yes, a powerful OS packaged in a PRETTY enclosure is what I need.

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 

based on this and your previous posts, it seems like there's not much "broadening our view" going on.

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Very agreed with your point.

And I think iOS/Android/WP7 will be the ' BIG 3 ' on the market.



Unfortunately and obviously, Nokia is still focus on Symbian now.

not putting all its efforts on MeeGo.

Qt is a good tool for porting Apps between platforms,

But it is not that easy, Qt can not solve every problem.

Nokia just waste 6 month and many resource to create another rpm package manage OS.

But not focus on more apps, ovi store, and more mobile internet stuff, like voice search, better ovi maps.

And made it far behind Android / iOS now.

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Uh yes, Symbian for Nokia is what people in business call a "cash cow". In other words, Symbian pays Nokia's bills, no reason to abandon it.

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iOS is the least "smart" compared to Symbian, MeeGo, Maemo, Android and Windows Mobile 6.x. (not so sure about 7 yet)

It doesn't have desktop widgets which is soooooooo useful, non replaceable keyboard (such as Swype), no smart dialling, crippled multi-tasking, lack of integration in many areas (bluetooth file transfer) etc. (well, if you jailbreak it, it's a bit more useful with ssh, sbsettings etc)

Why do I have to resort to an OS with such lack of features? Yes, it's great for my wife, child and parents due to lack of features which makes it simpler to use. But I don't get how people can say that it's a better OS compared to other smart mobile OS platforms.

Lots of apps does not make it a better OS.

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But it does make it a more viable platform. The whole concept of "better OS" should never be a good measurement of how viable an OS truly is.

Case in point... Microsoft Windows. Full of bugs, full of horrific legacy support, it suffers from code bloat, has tons of exploits (more found per day), suffers from a record amount of viruses... yet it's the market leader. As a Windows user (sometimes), a former MCSE (I refuse to update) and a former Windows admin (thank goodness those clients are mostly gone)... I see very little merit to Windows.

Yet... it has the most applications and is a perennial best seller.

A better OS is Linux. 1% or so of the desktop usage is Linux. Just 1% or so.

Better does not mean more viable. More apps do.

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Yes. Thats it. Exactly.

As Marko said on LeWeb, Symbian is accessible now, but MeeGo is not.

Also, Symbian takes most smartphone market share in Africa/Asia/Latin America.

No reason to give up now.

But Symbian cannot take over the high-end market.

When Android phone get cheaper, Symbian will lose the market.

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The problem with Nokia is not software or hardware....i don't care what OS they're bringing out. It don't matter if they have the slickest OS, what ultimately matter is support and advertisement. Let the world know what you have and they're horrible at that. When Nokia N900 came out, nobody really know what the hell it is. Now compare that to Android, Google advertise the hell out of their product before it even came out...nobody really know what Droid is, but after seeing ads almost daily on TV, everybody is hyped up for the product. This is why Androids has become popular today, they hyped up the product by advertise the hell out of it on TV. On the other hand, Nokia is gathering around doing a few shows to promote N900? TERRIBLE marketing!!! So i don't see Nokia going anywhere soon.

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http://mynokiablog.com/2010/11/25/vi...nd-nokia-n900/

You mean something like this which was cranked out by one dude in under a month using meego.

There is NOTHING else like that ui in the wild right now.

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Calling someone on their trolling is not trolling. It's moderating.


Then it would help to be that specific in the first place.

On that note, the desktop is already losing ground. Mobile is overtaking it. Android's success shows that Linux can actually have a better shot than purely proprietary alternatives.

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There are many figures floating around, some even giving Linux a higher share than OSX, but ultimately any conversation about "market share" is misguided. Linux simply doesn't play that game, there's no single corporation behind it and it doesn't need to produce good quarterly results to survive. In other words, it cannot fail :-)

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Have a feast of this;

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2010/12...witter-widget/

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Probably for some very good reason. Until that UI can be controlled by thought then it would be a nightmare to navigate and use. It gives me a headache just looking at it.

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I object to this statement. Nokia is better at pushing hardware features noone else have yet gotten to. One of the reasons I am not currently jumping ships, is because of the Android hardware.

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The biggest problem for nokia is that a lot of stuff clearly just isn't finished or in a transitional state. Some examples:

-The N8 ships with an old version of Qt (no QML and no OpenGL)
-the UI of Symbian^3 is still very much menu based (like original symbian)
-the N9 is delayed to next year
-N9 will be based on the older maemo base (renamed MeeGo)
-the Nokia Qt SDK on Linux doesn't support Symbian yet
-the Nokia Qt SDK is still Qt 4.6 based ( no QML etc.)
-the Nokia supported PySide Qt binding are still in beta

Getting a new CEO with software experience seems a good thing since these are software development related. Will it be better for Nokia to abandon the software development and switch to google or microsoft software? Difficult to say, also becaus a lot of stuff isn't finished. But since Nokia does make money they can effort to finish the current plans and evaluate afterwards. If it isn't successful then they can still switch strategy.

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Long on hyperbole and speculation and short on facts.

So? Android and iOS fanbois would say the same of maemo/meego and of each other.

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Would've been better if it sounds like it comes from an objective person. Putting a fanboy as the mouthpiece IMHO lowers the credibility.

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Marketshare is not (just) an indication of financial performance... it's an indication of market penetration (mindshare, popularity, number of 'nodes' out there, etc).

I think it's a key indicator of a platform's success...

I meant those who are directly feeding the trolls :)
(I think we're back to the issue of "should moderator be involved in discussions/debates themselves", otherwise this kind of misunderstanding wouldn't have happened... not saying that you shouldn't, but... you get my point (i hope.))

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Nokias MeeGo prolly coming in the end of the year 2011, so be my guest thinkin' these kind of things.

Re: MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 

Understood, but I meant moderating in a broad sense. I fully support community self-moderating.

Anyway back to the show...

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Nobody knows.

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Hardly the point (although quite frankly I didnt find it that complicated). It was meant to give an example of the eye candy that could be created simply with meego.

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haha i think the new nokia meego ui can beet the crap out of ios and android, i bet steve jobs takes a look at the meego page everyday just to see what's going to destroy apple, really take a look at the video in my post, and get ready for the UPCOMING LEGEND, meego .

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I'm sorry but it seems like you have been living under a rock in 2010... Because Nokia has clearly stated that _Symbian is no longer a high-end OS_.. it's a _low to mid-range OS_..

MeeGo will be the high-end OS..

Like Texrat said, your points are... pointless..

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ever heard of Qt/Qtquick it already works on n900 n8/c7/c6/e7.... so there will be apps!!!

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I don't give a rats *** about what market MeeGo will or will not save. As long as Nokia continue to produce the best phones I will buy them. If they come with MeeGo or Symbian, I don't care. There will be no difference between them, only MeeGo will simplify software development for new hardware, making Nokia able to get those new and exotic devices out faster, and diversify more regarding CPU, screen, GPU, IO and so on.

Symbian will not go away anytime soon, and will also be found on high end devices along with MeeGo.