Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

I heard that nokia rent its own place outside of the conference area.

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

They did that last year. Though they had that info up on their event page 7 months before the announcement.
Oh well hopefully you are right because Nokia does not have stands for it's devices in MWC for bigger audience, only for the distribution and OEM partners.

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

Yes, could be a good move and get of the spotlight and only attract people interested in Nokia. They also have a interesting briefing the 11 th where they will talk about strategy and result for Q4.

http://cmd.nokia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c...cmd10_overview

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

There is a difference between announcement and availability, and would be suprised if Nokia has this up for sale before the 3rdQ2011.
Also, the linked site is in no way connected to Nokia, dont be so sure about their sources.

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

I stopped reading.

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

Hardly. However in other countries users seem to be more aware of the full cost of subsidised phones.

Maybe Nokia hasn't provided phones subsidised on contracts in the US, but this is quite representative of Nokia handsets in South Africa. Here are some others:

E5
C6
N900

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

http://www.esato.com/news/article.php/id=1919

If the N9-00 was the Nokia N9 and the N9-01 isnt related to the Nokia N9 or isnt a version based on it with more features, Im basically going Android although I do not want to.

The tweet says it all:
I once again HOPE it is a rumor or just to surprise us even bigger but...

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

That tweet is a mindless parroting of what Eldar said with a heaping pile of panic and nonsense added on.

I'm amazed people are shocked at the possibility that Nokia killed off (or repurposed) what was obviously shaping up to be pathetically weak hardware for a high end device.

Of course, let's not allow rationality to stop irrational panic and mindless fear fueled by rumor mongering. TMO might actually become useful for a bit ;)

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

wow, you really thought that the macbook type styling of that prototype was weak? Everyone I've shown it to, thought i was beautiful. Or are you refering to the rumored specs of the prototype device?

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

A Intel Atom 1.2 is "weak" for you in a smartphone?

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

The rumored specs of the device, of course. A shell is a shell and can have its innards replaced at will of the vendor.

I suspect that there never has been an Atom based handset inside Nokia. If anything, the one that was canceled was the OMAP3 based device supposedly running MeeGo/Harmattan, replaced with a Cortex-A9 based hardware design running MeeGo.

I'll be surprised if there's an x86 based phone out this year.

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US subsiidizing is old fashioned nothing unique about. In UK you can go in any phone shop and get any device you want on almost any network subsidized, phones are not as tied down and crippled as much.

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

And is a OMAP4, for example, really neccesary? Can you get something out of a smartphone that needs dual cores? If anything, it is a bragging right.

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Yes. Mostly because your competitors (all of them) are releasing devices based upon the Cortex-A9. Never mind the fact that having a secondary processor to handle other tasks will let both sleep sooner.

If Nokia's high-end device of 2011 came out with a CPU others had used throughout 2010 and moved on from, they would be bashed so heavily in the media everything we hear today would pale in comparison, even if it worked as slick as could be.

That's not to say there won't be Cortex-A8 devices on the market, but they absolutely won't be the high end flagship device that they used to be. Motorola Atrix, LG Optimus 2X, Samsung's Orion based device, whatever HTC plans on releasing. That's the high end, and where the vendors will get attention.

Sure I can, so long as the OS isn't deliberately crippled. At best Apple could get away without it due to their furious marketing engine, however I suspect that the Apple A5 will match the rumors and be using a Cortex-A9.

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Ah so you believe, like the others, that since Apple released their iPhone form factor, everyone else had to copy that.

Gotcha.


This isnt about doing what your competitors are doing. Its about gaining sales. I cannot think of a reason why a smartphone now would want to use a dual core processor or better yet want to POWER (power = batter) a dual core processor. Make no sense at all.


As of right now, I do not see any marketing from any company stating "This is a (company name) (model)! It has dual cores! More cores more..." whatever. What you have said is true but for now no company has used it as a excessive market sheme AFAIK

(Keyword: excessive)


None of those phones have I heard about but a quick rundown of 2 of them:

Motorola Atrix: Great phone except no keyboard, internal storage is low compared to the N900 (for example), and resolution is kind of strange (Android issue).
LG Optimus X2: Nothing too special (compared to the Motrola Atrix) except the dual core. Low storage (compared to anything). This phone could be released exactly the same without the dual core and it wouldnt make a difference as it has been shown that a single core can also record 1080p.

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What? Who cares about formfactor? My point is that EVERYONE is releasing a high end phone with an A9 core.

It is about what your competitors are doing. That's what everyone is comparing Nokia to: their competitors. Apple, Samsung, Motorola.

Indeed, you cannot. That doesn't mean no one can, or that no one needs a dual core.

Except that it is a feature touted by every vendor with a device on its way?

Point being? That doesn't negate that these devices ARE COMING and will be touted as the high end devices against which the iPhone 5 and whatever Nokia says is their high end will be compared to.

Regardless of how little use you see in a dual core processor here (I imagine you think my quad core laptop is excessive) there will be people who are more than willing to make use of it. Never mind the tech media who will have a field day if Nokia can't match it.

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You are missing the point. Computers/laptops/netbooks/smartphones/tablets are all converging. In the future, I expect smartphones to be the computer of choice based on their portable form factor. You would then plug it into various terminals (car, home, work etc) to display on a larger screen and possibly gain other capabilities.

Even in your own post you provide two real world examples of this: the Atrix with its netbook dock and the Optimus with its 1080p-out capability. This is only the beginning - more numerous and powerful use cases will emerge within the next 5 years.

As these capabilities expand, processors must match the pace to power larger displays and more complex interfaces. So as long as manufacturers can increase processing power without significant issues with heat and/or battery life it is smart business to continue to push the boundaries in smartphone CPUs.

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As far as getting back to the topic didn't remember this thread when i opened this thread. I have been quite surprised how little this have been noticed around the blog world, not to even talk about Nokia and Meego blogs.
As far as Intel goes they have confirmed that there will be MeeGo device(s) shown in MWC. Btw Intel got huge space over at MWC with two booths, one just for MeeGo.


http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...#ixzz1BnK2HXnE

Renée J. James is Senior Vice President, Intel.

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Actually it is quite important that the N9 be OMAP 4 for customers. First, The OMAP4 has about the same power usage as the OMAP3, and the idle power usage on the OMAP4 is lower than OMAP3 (at least from the older 65nm OMAP3's). Another thing, the OMAP4 has better memory bandwidth, and AFAIK can support more RAM. Last but not least, the OMAP4 supports 1080 output and a higher resolution camera then the OMAP3.

So having the OMAP4 will have quite a few benefits that the users will feel pretty well, so there is a reason everybody is moving to these newer processors. Also, I don't see how this has to do with Apple, but never mind.

Last but not least, Maemo/Meego needs more horsepower then android or iOS. You see, android has changed it's stock linux in such a way so that most programs written for android will suspend and stop running, in addition android doesn't use swap. The kernel in android was modified to wakeup less often, and the graphics layer was rewritten to be more lightweight.
Meego on the other hand is closer to stock linux and as such can use swap, and it's apps are multitasking by default without needing some flags. (Meego and WebOS are the only truly multitasking mobile OSes). In the end it is heavier (but can provide more features) and will benefit much more from a more powerful processor.

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

And?

Trend follower then?

My point above

I cant because there is no reason to put a dual core in a smartphone. Its like putting a Ferrari engine on a 1960. Buying a Intel i7 to play Pong. No reason at all.


We all know marketing plays a big part but people still trust the Nokia brand. It markets itself.

Depends.

Is your laptop your main device?
Is your laptop used as a server?
Is your laptop running VMs?
Is your laptop into heavy photo/video editing?
Is your laptop your main gaming device?

If you answered "Yes" to any of the above questions, then no I do not think your laptop is excessive. If you didnt, then yes, I do think your laptop is excessive.

You cannot in any case for the above replace "laptop" with "smartphone".

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

more likelly nokial has intel insteead of a9. Reason: this is not even a buildsystem for OBS armport working at meego.com. So by this I say I will be suprised to see ANY meegophone out from nokia especccially not arm based...

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

Yes. Nokia has no real option. They're not Apple, who has a built in follower base that will buy and tout regardless.

Then you're unaware of the advantages given to OSes like Linux when you have a second physical core available. Especially in high end phones it makes sense, what with everything they're being made to do these days.

Again, you don't understand the advantages given by having a secondary processor. Ever had your N900 lag or be slow when something else decided to hit the CPU? Stuttering? While one process is operating in the foreground, a secondary cpu core can allow background tasks to operate without adversely affecting the foreground task. This results in increased responsiveness and an enhanced use experience. And if you have less stuff backed up on one core, you can complete tasks faster and the CPU can go back to sleep. In fact, the secondary core will probably spend a large amount of time OFF, only waking to handle background tasks.

Do not say there is no use or no point, because that is false.

Tell that to all the people at Nokia using the ST-Ericsson U8500 platforms (the nCDK) and Stskeeps.

Re: Will we see something mobile MeeGo related at Mobile World Congress 2011?
 

We have a perfectly fine meego.com OBS that builds for both Intel and ARM constantly. Lately we've been adding the hard floating point ABI port and developing tools where there's been some problems, which is maybe what you've seen. But ARM soft floating point has been building without issue.

So, no, your theory doesn't hold.