Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Never said it was a finished product I said it did what I wanted it to do for me, with no problems. :p

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

It's funny how people expect a $350 device (N800) to be all end all device. My brother just bought new GPS for his car, paid $500+ and it doesn't even play music. My GPS has bigger screen, and I can do a lot more on it and I paid $550 (N800+Navicore).

I'd say sure, as a pub conversation, the iPhone and N800 are comparable, but just the price difference (price of the iPhone + 2 year contract) puts these two devices in two different categories.

At least in US people have gotten used to paying little or nothing for their phone. Even with all the shinny icons, It's going to be a hard sell for Apple to get _masses_ to buy into it. Sure there will be following, and yes it will be bigger then the one N800 has, but iPhone is not going to take over the world. The only way this could happen is for Apple to offer it for $99 plus 2yr contract. Thats how Motorola did it with RAZR. Thats how we buy our phones in the US. And yes, there are people who can buy N95 for $800 (I wish I was one of them) but they are the tiny minority.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Hmmmm...... Considering Apple is selling a boat load of iPods pretty much the same way the are selling the iPhone, I would say that your supposition is way off. To compare an iPhone to an N800 is once again proof (in my opinion) that the US is immature when it comes to moblie telephony. The RAZR was a big hit with women who wanted a small compact, colorful device that did not do very much and had rudimentary features that were already prevalent in European and Japanese handsets. The iPhone will sell based on hype, ease of use, feature sets, and a reliability factor (this has not been proven yet but considering the failure rates of other devices, the iPhone should hold up well), integration with iTunes. People forget that the killer app that made the iPod was iTunes. With seamless integration and a duplicated ease of use, the iPhone will be viewed as an extension to those that have an iPod but want to have a phone with them as well as a device for the MASS CONSUMER MARKET which the N800 is not nor ever will be.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Well it was clearly a joke... except for the "alpha" part, I stand by my words there...

I don't mind responding in an adult manner as long as my comments are responded to accordingly, if someone speaks to me like a child I have every right to respond that way to... Really I may not respect the status of the N800, it simply does what I purchased it for but I expected it to be in a more Finished state, it's not against the programmers or anything they make my life alot better, it is in fact my problem with Nokia not spending enough time and probably money to support the programmers in making this an effective device, are they really supporting you open source people as much as it looks? cause it doesn't seem that way...

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

I don't think so. Cell phone industry today is different then mp3 player industry was when iPod came. There is abundance of cheap/free phones that already do a lot of what iPhone does. Granted not as shiny as iPhone. But my BB Pearl was free! And it has all the features I need in a phone, email, web, chat, news, stocks, weather, games, music, video...

Again, yes, Apple will sell iPhones, no it will not take over the world. There is a big difference between the two. Apple groupies would like us to believe the latter. I don't buy it. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't too.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

You're kidding yourself if you don't think nokia wants this to be a consumer device.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

You are kidding yourself if you think it is.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

I didn't say _I_ think its a consumer device. I said Nokia wants this to be a consumer device.

A cross-over device like the iPhone will eliminate Nokia's target market.

If your iPhone is sitting on the coffee table in front of you, and it can visit the same sites just as well, then you wouldn't think of purchasing an N800.

You have to assume the iPhone is just the beginning. If it reaches critical mass and we're all walking around with browsers in our pocket for $299, who is going to want an N800?

Someone will just write web applications to provide the geek stuff like ssh, vnc, etc...

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

My misunderstanding, but you are 100000000% correct. The N800's days are numbered if the iPhone gets any traction.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

I wouldn't think I would do any serious surfing with an iphone, 480x320 is just ridiculous.

Basically, this is still a phone with a music player - not much more.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Rider... its a 3.5 inch screen, and unlike the N800 (for now) it has a very smooth scaling and scrolling mechanism.

I do have faith that Nokia will step up the refresh rate on our tablets, so that should help a bit when doing heavy scrolling.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Actually, the "optimized view" of the N800 opera has also very smooth and clever scaling. Not sure if the iPhone has something similar.

One should note that the iPhone has not much more than half of the resolution of the N800. This makes a big difference. Even if the handling, as the Apple demonstration video shows, is very slick, you don't want to scroll forward and backward all the time just to be able to watch some web page. It is very clumsy in the long run.

I can imagine the iPhone is a fine gadget for quick and short internet usage. Like checking (not writing) your mails, check a stock quote or the weather. But I doubt that more sophisticated interaction is really viable. I wouldn't want to do some internet banking with such a small screen.

What people will do with the iphone is: phone :), SMS/short mails, listen to music, maybe watch a video or youtube. Not much more I suppose.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

In fact, the iPhone's (<spit!>) screen resolution is less than half of the N800's.

iPhone (<spit!>): 480x320
N800: 800x480

Boojah! :D

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Yep, you are right, Karel :)

I suggest that everybody here makes a test: Resize your browser to 480x320 and then start browsing and scrolling, and see how long it will be that you are heavily annoyed.

Oh yes, I just read another disadvantage of the iPhone: while it has bluetooth, a BT GPS mouse cannot be connected. Happy google mapping then :)

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

You act as though the N800 made full screen scrolling possible. Here's a clue for you. The iPhone is a PHONE. It has internet capabilities, and a few other features that the N800 can not come close to matching, and guess what? It has a phone. How about this, turn off the BT and wifi on your N800 and go to www.cnn.com. Write back and let us know how long it took you to get there. In case you missed it, the iPhone is a phone/media device while the N800 is, well, uhhhh a device (sort of).

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

WOW. All this consumer market, consumer device talk... It could easily be a consumer market product, but people are just plain right lazy, they so stuck in their own little bubble, the america way... the fast lane, fast food etc. Use your brain consumer market people, we all have one. It doesn't take a life time to learn the N800 and basic functions of Linux. I could teach my girlfriend the mer basics of Linux and bash commands but I know she wouldn't care to learn it, its the american way for most people...LAZY!! - even if the N800 was comparable and better they still wouldn't learn it. Mentality: I'm going to limited my knowledge just because everything has been spoon fed to me already. Mmmm Fast food - quick gratification. Go get your spell checker and point and click mass/consumer market. this world is getting dumber and dumber and lazier and lazier. sorry, the truth hurts a little. :) Go ride a bicycle fat a*s.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Not sure to whom you where directing your comment at however, have you stopped to consider that many people purchase these devices to work out of the box. It has nothing to do with learning the device, but just the fact of using it. People have more on their minds than wanting to learn SSH, or BASH. In my case it has nothing to do with learning Linux or the N800, I simply do not have the time or the inclination. I have quite a bit of technical stuff (AN-GSC 39, or AN-FSC 78, Scream 50/100) in my daily life, and the last thing I need is a crash prone (used to be), user unfriendly (sorry the truth hurts here as well), application anemic (depends on what you view as important) device. I need something that works (for the most part) out of the box.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Of course it's nice to have a shell, to have ssh, VNC and other more sophisticated things.

But they are not necessary to operate the N800. Even if I know Linux/Unix better than English, I'm not too keen to have a shell on my N800. And most people perfectly live without it too.

The iPhone is certainly a nice device. Less heavy compared to a N800+simple mobile phone. And just one charger. But what you can basically do with an iPhone is much less than what you can do with an N800. You are much more limited regarding applications, its smallish screen which is good for WAP, but not WWW.

Does the iPhone have a pdf-viewer? I believe not. Big drawback, how do you read your ebooks then? But even if it had one, the small screen resolution would again be the obstacle.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

I think they are hoping you buy audiobooks instead. :)

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple?s iPhone
 

It has pdf, excel, word and ppt viewers. The browser itself is more refined and feature filled than mobile opera.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Two different animals I say.

I believe the iPhone is yet another device developed to generate revenue for Apple. Simple azat. :)
It will provide features that will lead the user to con$umable information from the makers revenue stream.

The N800 was presented in just the opposite way IMHO. Nokia has given us an amazing collection of hardware for a reasonable price with no more expectations from it's users other than to... go and figure out what you can do with it.

If anything the iPhone may steer more users toward an Internet Tablet once they see the value in portable web surfing.

The differences in screen resolutions between the two devices are like the differences between cotton and silk. Both fabrics can be died the exact same color but that color will have more depth and look much more vibrant on silk.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

sapporobaby and Rider

It will apparently have Micorsoft Office and pdfviewer
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile...nctionality/p1

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Cool. Thanks.

I will be looking out for when it hits Europe. I need that 3G/HSDPA. :)

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

WOW! I concede...

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

I have the feeling that Apple is going to be dropping a ton of "feature bombs" before they release the phone.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

i dont understand what all the fuss is all about??
The i phone does not have anything new except for the toch screen interface... It is just another way of apple cashing in on the ignorance of most of the americans. The mobile market in america is so ******ed... That apple is advertising its so called features which have been used by the asians atleast 1 year back. I feel so frustrated by the ignorance of most of the people who think that the i phone is worth the 500 $ and the contract. Nokiazis really a wonderful company. I never saw a nokia product over priced. Most of its products are actually underprized for the things they could do. But this stupid apple overprises every one of its products. And i find it frustrating when people go on buying them. But i guess i will have to live with it. I will support nokia till my death. I just love the things nokia prodicts do....,,,that too with
minimum of fuss. I will never buy an apple product.t.t.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

It is nice that you acknowledge that a pdf-viewer is a "feature bomb" :D

I'm glad that I have this feature bomb on my N800, and I'm even more glad that I can actually use it because of the 800x480 display - with the iPhone you will normally have to scroll horizontally for each single line.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Dude, you and a select few here in this thread even think there is a comparison between the iPhone and the N800. In my opinion they are apples and oranges. Still fruit, but yield different juices.

When the N800 gets a built in phone, syncs contacts, calendars, not prone to crashing (I will concede that it may not as much now, or hang), can load and sync your songs, then get back to me. Till then, there is no comparison.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

You are right. There is no comparison. Get back to me when the iPhone has a properly sized display, has removable SD cards, has ssh access, and can connect to a GPS mouse.

Till then, there is no comparison.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

I'd like to ask you all to put some more thought into what you are typing. Please think of the post before you type it out.

Do not read between the lines of what other people type because you may misread the invisible lettering.
Keep the emotion out.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Any software made in the last couple years to read documents has automatic word wrapping.

The only document you still have to scroll with is html. As far as I know.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Have we agreed to disagree? Actually I do not disagree on the IT concept. I just disagree on the N800. I am quite sure there will not be any iPhone users screaming over SSH access, or GPS mouse connectivity. The memory card maybe but then again they know what they are getting when they pay for the device. What do you think?

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

it is the other way round. HTML can wrap (if the webpage is designed properly)

PDF is device independant and has a fixed format. You need at least 800 pix horizontally to read a PDF, the tiny iPhone screen is in many cases not suitable.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Ok now a carefully measured response.... Think think think...

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

There is software that will convert PDFs so that it wraps. But you are correct pdfs do not wrap by default. They zoom.

html can wrap, but sites are not generally designed to do so. Hence the current mobile browser madness.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Xhtml handles size quite well. For mobile browsing regardless of screen resolution I collect and surf only sites coded with X...

Or make my own >>> http://home.comcast.net/~fynspy/YoDude_PDA.htm

It is much faster too. :)


The real question is: Aside from auto rotate, could Maemo apps be developed that incorporate iPhone gestures and such?

I agree they are two different things and the main difference is developability (<< new word?)

New apps and conceivably a new OS can be run on a N800 device as they are developed. Development can be independent of the manufacturer.

On the iPhone, not. To get more you need to buy a new phone.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Whoa. This I didn't know. Cool. Does .pdf use SVG or any type of engine to render it smaller? This is just for my own info now. I had no idea about the 800 pix thing with .pdf files.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Surly you jest about your site. It is no fast. It is stupid, ridiculous fast. If I had a few URL's would you mind including them? :)

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

No problem.

Re: Since you love comparing... 10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone
 

Even better: the N800's screen is pressure sensitive, which means that freakishly funky stuff could be developed for it, just to make iPhoners (<spit!>) go green with envy.