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Will Angry Man be around?

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yeah I guess your a glad American cause one of your big shitty company named Microshit hijacked and just killed Nokia cause Microsoft is soo damn desperate succes with theyr shitty OS!

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Wow...it really does look big when you restrict the range to between the peak and the trough.

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I wonder if Elop didn't want the brain child of the possible candidate for his position to succeed? In a way if WP7 does work out, then he can claim all the credit, if it was MeeGo then it would not be so clear cut. Oh well if that is the case, just shows the massive ego that is required to be an American higher manager.

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I guess being non-american it's easier for you to ignore the failing of a non-american company which has nesicitated such a move. That is after all the trendy thing to do in the world's eye. Of course I can't blame you for feeling that way. The world media has done a wonderful job of helping you feel that way.

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He's Canadian. But don't worry no one will fault you for hating on America. It's super trendy right now.

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MS is an American company, and it's pretty well known the type of mentality required to be a blue chip CEO. Do some reading!

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Still having a hard time following your logic. You were talking about Elop. Now you're talking about Microsoft?

Are we on the same page now?

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Was Elop not a manager in MS?
Is MS not an American company?
Therefore Elop was a higher manager in an American company, hence I was inferring to aggressive self serving type that normally does well in a large American company... ie an American manager.

Unless are you saying that a non American can't be a higher manager in MS?

I generally like American's but I don't like narrow minded people who can only see every comment as an attack.

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I rescinded my previous comments but I guess not before you saw them. My apologies.

I'm not saying that American corporations are without fault. What I am saying is I find it odd that the flow of conversation always goes in that direction.

Nokia screwed up. That is why we are here today.

Painting an entire industry by a single brush excludes too many facts. Not all American managers, as you put it, are as you describe them to be.

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Fair point, but in a situation like this I can't help but draw parallels to overly used generalisations. My apologies too for generalising.

I guess my pov is a little fuelled by articles such as:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07...nifesto_risku/

ofc the reg is the best place to formalise an unbiased view :p

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After reading that article, I'm no longer surprised about all the delays releasing the N900. I'm actually left wondering how the N900 did make it to market, considering it was the first smartphone running a free operating system.

Some tidbits that left me pondering:

Only six months passed since that article, ...and now Nokia has an American CEO, that not only brought his own team, but actually his whole company with him... It's like the board of directors read this interview and then decided to do exactly the opposite of what Risku advised, and then some..

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Thanks for this link! ("Rescuing Nokia? A former exec has a radical plan - The Risku Manifesto - now in English")

There were some very interesting insights into the root causes behind Nokia's lack of competent strategies and inability to execute.

To think that only few months after this manifesto Nokia's dead wood board went and hired flop... :(

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Actually it looks worse when you look at the past month. It's been hovering around 11 for most of the time. For a one day drop, that's pretty significant. Any company losing 18% of their stock value in a few hours is a pretty big deal.

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I believe Elop is Canadian !

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I find it interesting that Elop is planning to lay off the "on-the-ground" people instead of chopping off the incompetent management that is killing Nokia.

It's an unbridled disaster and I'm ashamed that the Board of Directors have done this to a Finnish company. But what can you expect? They did to save themselves, so they can keep going on in their incompetent ways. They get to keep their jobs for a short while bleeding the company dry like the blood-sucking vampires they are.

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Looks like a lot of good stuff was thrown down the pan or put out to grass and the competition enjoyed the rich pickings.

I wonder if Juhani Risku was the guy behind the "morph concept"?

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To people who understand finnish, OPK radio interview from today.
http://areena.yle.fi/player/index.ph...78&language=fi

Strange hear him speak like average guy. Sadness, hubris and a peak at reality on top of mega-corporation. Recommend listening.

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Oh noes, what will happen to OVI suite and tons of software for maemo on the ovi store? I think they were about to release 3D roller coaster and also turn by turn navigation for N900....I'll really miss those guys /NOT

/sarc

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I'm spreading the rumor that Flope said: "I, for one, look forward to you all serving your new American overlords." He finished it by joining Steve Balmer in several minutes of evil cackling interrupted occasionally by swigs of rum from a bottle they shared onstage in front of an attending audience of the remaining Nokia employees.

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Nokia killed themself when the decided to replace olli with Elop. Microsoft and Apple are just doing what they are supposed to do - targeting, positioning and segmenting their products, and successfully so far.

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Excellent perspective. I hope we see a bounty of interesting new projects and companies from ex-Nokia employees.

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Has the rumor spread yet? :)